International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. III

[Unknown Pleasures]

Well you bring up an interesting point with this. Was the Hamas attack of 10/7 actually WORSE than the unprovoked invasion and occupation of Iraq? I can't imagine anyone even attempting to make that argument. But I doubt any of these Americans would think that it would be morally defensible for their own neighbourhood to be blockaded and bombed by a hypothetical stronger military power.



Look at all those terrorist sympathizers!! Would it be a tragedy if that stadium full of human shields was MOAB'd? Or do they deserve to die the same way Palestinian babies do?

There's something to be said about if you can defend the Iraq War WMD debacle, you can defend anything. The level of hypocrisy of course knows no bounds. I've brought it up a few times already in the collective punishment "debate".

It's also a reason why I spend little time in these kinds of threads. Reality is 99% of participants just have pom-poms on and have no interest in formulating any rational structure or theory to right and wrong; hence, constant inconsistencies, moving of goal posts, taking liberties with language and definitions, whitewashing history, quoting known liars / avoiding serious sources, correcting only one side when someone says something completely wrong, and so forth.

Honestly, with every micro-debate here about who was in Palestine first, is it an open air prison, is it a humanitarian crisis, who bombed the hospital, how many innocent people are dying, the definition of a jew or arab, what is anti-semitism, what's the role of international law, the definition of a terrorist, and on and on and on; no matter how often someone happens to be factually incorrect about anything or all these things they may have been misinformed about, it's not going to change anyone's opinion.

So when you get something as disastrous as that WMD manufactured war and the complete lack of desire to implicate and punish ANYONE, let alone an entire society, you realize the vast vast majority of commentators out there looking for blood with their nose up high about their moral superiority to other commoners they are completely intellectually dishonest and inconsistent about their views and are, whether knowingly or not, just grabbing at anything they can to try to obfuscate that fact.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Yes. Why should Israel do that, given their position?



Of course they won't. Why would they?



No. They'll clear the rat tunnels, and probably control their land afterwards. Hamas really shouldn't have provoked them, eh? What a bunch of fucking inbred retards, amirite?

this guy thinks israel is just gonna take all of the land <Lmaoo>

 

[tastaylvr]

LOL, no. It's because winning armies don't surrender to cry bullying. This isn't some corporation you can pressure with that lame tactic, dude. This is war. You're not gonna "cancel" them, with your whining.

You guys all talk like there wasn't a catalyst to all this, and Israel just decided to attack for no reason. They still haven't identified half of their dead, because they're so mangled beyond recognition from the inbred terrorists, and you guys are asking them to have a heart for their enemies. LOL, yeah, good fucking luck.

"This is war" yet you constantly post about people getting beheaded, killed and raped??

If this is war then why do you constantly try to draw sympathy??

Half of your posts is about the "savagery" of Hamas then in other posts its about "This is just war deal with it".

So what is it?

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Yes. Why should Israel do that, given their position?

Of course they won't. Why would they?

No. They'll clear the rat tunnels, and probably control their land afterwards. Hamas really shouldn't have provoked them, eh? What a bunch of fucking inbred retards, amirite?

Despite the warlord Netanyahu rejecting calls for a ceasefire right now, he will enact one sooner or later.

We can revisit this back-and-forth then, but I think the only way you'll be proven right is if Netanyahu is thrown out/voted out of government before the war ends, but it will end long before that I'm certain.

 

[cincymma79]

Pretty easy account to put on ignore. Nothing of any substance whatsoever.

At least @HereticBD, as obnoxious as I find his stance on this conflict, explains what he thinks and why he thinks it.

Your position is heads Israel loses heads they don’t win. There’s nothing to discuss with you

 

[tastaylvr]

There's something to be said about if you can defend the Iraq War WMD debacle, you can defend anything. The level of hypocrisy of course knows no bounds. I've brought it up a few times already in the collective punishment "debate".

So when you get something as disastrous as that WMD manufactured war and the complete lack of desire to implicate and punish ANYONE, let alone an entire society, you realize the vast vast majority of commentators out there looking for blood with their nose up high about their moral superiority to other commoners. they are completely intellectually dishonest and inconsistent about their views and are just grabbing at anything they can to try to obfuscate that fact.

It's even more comical when people keep saying the Palestinians voted in Hamas without realising that Bush was also voted in. Then you need to also realise that there was 90%+ voter agreement to invade Iraq. You are the first person to talk about collective punishment and everyone else seems to ignore it. Collective punishment is immoral and needs to be addressed with this topic.

People are happy to say "This is war" "we are strong" when they live in the stronger country but would change their minds instantly if it was the other way around.

 

[kflo]

There isn't a "side" that wants all Jews dead, there is an organisation of about 20,000 people that want all Jews dead.

You need to stop conflating Palestinians with Hamas. There are 5,000,000 Palestinians (or there were...), and nearly half are children.

How many of the 5m?

 

[HereticBD]

"This is war" yet you constantly post about people getting beheaded, killed and raped??

If this is war then why do you constantly try to draw sympathy??

Half of your posts is about the "savagery" of Hamas then in other posts its about "This is just war deal with it".

So what is it?

It is war. To the winners go the spoils. Hamas made their move. Israel is making theirs. Sorry if it upsets you, that Israel is way more powerful than the dumb fucks that attacked them.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

How many of the 5m?

How many of the 5 million what? Are children? Or voted Hamas?

 

[HereticBD]

Despite the warlord Netanyahu rejecting calls for a ceasefire right now, he will enact one sooner or later.

I mean, yeah, when they win(officially). That's not some pressured ceasefire. That's just a victory.

 

[Strychnine]

Shot



chaser




The NYT publishes stuff from this dude apparently

What an embarrassment to journalism.

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

Never been to Iran though I'd love to. So I'll take your word.

Which Muslim countries have you been to?

 

[Strychnine]

Dude... you need to. It's an amazing 6 part series of his Hardcore History Podcast... each episode is around 4-5 hours each. Goes from how Japan went from Isolationist in the 1800's to World Power to the Bombs being dropped.

Carlin gives great inside on the weird dynamics of Japan's government at the time and insane relationships between the army, navy and the government on the homeland. Both Pre-war and during the war.

There were factions inside Japan's military that still wanted to keep fighting...even after the bombs were dropped.

Recently finished that series. Amazing information that you're not taught in school.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

I mean, yeah, when they win(officially). That's not some pressured ceasefire. That's just a victory.

Cute idea.

When do they attack the leaders in Qatar?

 

[kflo]

Despite the warlord Netanyahu rejecting calls for a ceasefire right now, he will enact one sooner or later.

We can revisit this back-and-forth then, but I think the only way you'll be proven right is if Netanyahu is thrown out/voted out of government before the war ends, but it will end long before that I'm certain.

There is no ceasefire until Hamas surrenders. Do you think Hamas should surrender? Should they release their hostages?

 

[Deleted member 585708]

There is no ceasefire until Hamas surrenders. Do you think Hamas should surrender? Should they release their hostages?

Yeah, Hamas should surrender and release hostages, in return for an immediate and total ceasefire.

Netanyahu isn't really interested in that, though, nor is he asking for Hamas to surrender.

I think it's a nice idea some people have of the extremist Israeli government, but it's just not the reality.

 

[7even]

"This is war" yet you constantly post about people getting beheaded, killed and raped??

If this is war then why do you constantly try to draw sympathy??

Half of your posts is about the "savagery" of Hamas then in other posts its about "This is just war deal with it".

So what is it?

If you’re going to morally equivalize that, especially when Hamas attack first, then why are you bitching about gazans getting fucking bombed? At least Israel isn’t carpet bombing.

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

Go hamas!

So you're cheering for a terrorist organization now?

Not surprised. You always were.

 

[Strychnine]

They found her head.
Wonder how many times she was raped before they beheaded her.
But the UN refuses to label them a 'terrorist' organization.
wow.

And some people are supporting these Hamas monsters because "Open air prison."

Fudge outta here.

R.I.P. young lady

 

[Deleted member 585708]

And some people are supporting these Hamas monsters because "Open air prison."

Fudge outta here.

R.I.P. young lady

I suppose as a moderator, you'll see lots of posts we don't get to see because they get deleted and accounts get blocked, but who is supporting "Hamas"?