International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war Megathread

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What areas are Hamas preventing civilians from leaving? You seem under the impression that they control the border crossings out of Gaza.

You can't be fucking serious. Hamas prevents its civilians from leaving direct combat zones despite advance military evacuation orders by Israel.




"According to the defense source, Hamas wants to keep as many civilians as possible in Gaza City, both to serve directly as human shields from IDF attacks and also to place more diplomatic pressure on Israel to end the war in the event that Palestinian civilians are caught up in the crossfire."

This is from Sept...

It's amazing how you can at times act like a know it all and then play dumb over some obvious shit....duality of man I suppose...
 
You can't be fucking serious. Hamas prevents its civilians from leaving direct combat zones despite advance military evacuation orders by Israel.




"According to the defense source, Hamas wants to keep as many civilians as possible in Gaza City, both to serve directly as human shields from IDF attacks and also to place more diplomatic pressure on Israel to end the war in the event that Palestinian civilians are caught up in the crossfire."

This is from Sept...

It's amazing how you can at times act like a know it all and then play dumb over some obvious shit....duality of man I suppose...

Leftists have to keep a blind eye... or risk realizing they're supporting some of the worst people on the planet

The same kind of people who would throw you off a building for being LGBT or whatever alphabet name you choose.

There were muslims on Greta's retarded fake aid mission who ended up quitting over having gay and lesbians in the group.

lol..

Fury brings chaos to Greta Thunberg's Gaza flotilla: Pro-Palestine activists quit convoy after learning LGBTQ campaigners are on board​

 
Leftists have to keep a blind eye... or risk realizing they're supporting some of the worst people on the planet

The same kind of people who would throw you off a building for being LGBT or whatever alphabet name you choose.

There were muslims on Greta's retarded fake aid mission who ended up quitting over having gay and lesbians in the group.

lol..

Fury brings chaos to Greta Thunberg's Gaza flotilla: Pro-Palestine activists quit convoy after learning LGBTQ campaigners are on board​



They always eat each other in the end.
 
You can't be fucking serious. Hamas prevents its civilians from leaving direct combat zones despite advance military evacuation orders by Israel.




"According to the defense source, Hamas wants to keep as many civilians as possible in Gaza City, both to serve directly as human shields from IDF attacks and also to place more diplomatic pressure on Israel to end the war in the event that Palestinian civilians are caught up in the crossfire."
You keep butchering the English language. Hamas appears to have mostly just told civilians to not leave, which a lot of folks were doing on their own (most of the articles you linked). I'm sure Hamas has selfish reasons for it and has even made it harder for civilians to flee in some instances (one article you linked, if we think the recording is credible). But there's no evidence they're blocking a mass exodus of civilians (zero articles you linked).
This is from Sept...

It's amazing how you can at times act like a know it all and then play dumb over some obvious shit....duality of man I suppose...
Once again, crocodile tears. The implication here is that you think civilians would be safer if they fled into areas designated by Israel. Yet it's very clear that Israel routeinyl kills civilians in "safe" zones.

Not to mention again, that Hamas doesn't control any of the border crossings out of Gaza, which makes it a case of just shuffling around civilians between shitty carnal houses and slightly less shitty ones as they starved and were routinely killed by IDF soldiers with no repercussions.
 
Wonderful. Great words. Your actions of never speaking on it betray your claims though.
So you've followed every one of my words on this, and off this forum? Again, this is such a retarded standard. I can be critical of whatever topic I want to be critical of. Absence of any comments on any and every other atrocity doesn't mean I support them. I could use these same bullshit tactics on you to claim that you are Islamaphobic, but notice how I don't use these pathetic tactics?
Which is what?
Go back and read my post, I'm not going to constantly repeat myself.
Nice side step and deflection. I get it, you probably have PhD in history and far exceed my historical knowedge on many subjects and your point is that you willfully/intentionally/knowingly not give a shit about other conflicts for some 'random' not any type of antisemitic one....
How the fuck is "my point" a strawman that you created out of thin air? You are claiming I "dont give a shit" about injustice all over the world, not me. That's your point, and you can't substantiate that. If you want to pull up me arguing in favor of atrocities anywhere else on the globe then maybe you would be able to have this double-standard argument, but you don't.

I've never seen you make a post about the Rwanda Genocide, therefore you support it and don't care about those people. Retard logic.
Why would anyone get this weird idea when you do nothing but shit on the only Jewish nation while simultaneously ignore all the other things happening around the world while explicitly pointing out your broad historical knowledge and high level of education....this is a tough one...
Quote me making anti-Semitic remarks about the Jewish people.
As a claimed historian or at least someone who studies history/does research you're telling me you don't know why someone would want to discuss Israel's neighbors? The way the world/you view those countries?
Oh, I know why. To deflect. To group the Palestinian people in with all of those other countries so now the Palestinians have to answer for shit done in other countries that have nothing to do with them. Saudi's are pieces of shit, so it's OK that the IDF is shooting kids in the dick. Got it.
I'm not antisemitic it's you who's racist!! I love it. Brilliant. Slow clap.
Conflating the Jewish people with the actions of the Israeli government is in fact antisemitic, and something you regularly do, while simultaneously criticizing others for doing that. Clap yourself, moron.
 
I would hope that if you're adamant in your opinion or position that you would defend it with not just emojis, but with your thoughts.

I realize that this impacts us all and I know that we're all smart enough here engage in vigorous, meaningful discussion. I for one am glad that the hostages were released and the Palestinian people (at large) are no longer paying the price for what Hamas has done.

Feel free to insert laughing emojis below. ;)
Whilst the spirit of this post is of course correct, when someone tries to pretend that bad faith pallywood actor was a "true hero" every single poster on Sherdog should be duty bound to leave a laughing emoji on his retarded post or forever lose their accounts.

It must be in the top 5 dumbest posts ever to materialise on sherdog.

Next he'll be telling us Stalin, Mao and the Zodiac killer were thoroughly nice chaps.
 
You can't be fucking serious. Hamas prevents its civilians from leaving direct combat zones despite advance military evacuation orders by Israel.




"According to the defense source, Hamas wants to keep as many civilians as possible in Gaza City, both to serve directly as human shields from IDF attacks and also to place more diplomatic pressure on Israel to end the war in the event that Palestinian civilians are caught up in the crossfire."

This is from Sept...

It's amazing how you can at times act like a know it all and then play dumb over some obvious shit....duality of man I suppose...
I was gonna say I was gobsmacked he posted something so ridiculous, but actually it's par for the course these days.

Your final paragraph sums it up perfectly, he's every bid the bad faith actor that the pallywood cretin murdered by his own people was. Its clear he's just a massive bigot, but somehow believes his own brand of drinking prejudice is morally ok
 
Whilst the spirit of this post is of course correct, when someone tries to pretend that bad faith pallywood actor was a "true hero" every single poster on Sherdog should be duty bound to leave a laughing emoji on his retarded post or forever lose their accounts.

It must be in the top 5 dumbest posts ever to materialise on sherdog.

Next he'll be telling us Stalin, Mao and the Zodiac killer were thoroughly nice chaps.

Well, I find that you using your words (as in this case) would make a better point of your position vs. just an emoji.

But that's just me.
 
Israel has already killed close to 100 Palestinians since the ceasefire.

Give it another few weeks and they'll probably get up to to Hamas Oct 7th numbers.

All while on a ceasefire.

You cease, we fire. The Israeli way.

They're still killing Lebanese people daily.
You’re such a fuckin mark.
 
You keep butchering the English language. Hamas appears to have mostly just told civilians to not leave, which a lot of folks were doing on their own (most of the articles you linked). I'm sure Hamas has selfish reasons for it and has even made it harder for civilians to flee in some instances (one article you linked, if we think the recording is credible). But there's no evidence they're blocking a mass exodus of civilians (zero articles you linked).

Once again, crocodile tears. The implication here is that you think civilians would be safer if they fled into areas designated by Israel. Yet it's very clear that Israel routeinyl kills civilians in "safe" zones.

Not to mention again, that Hamas doesn't control any of the border crossings out of Gaza, which makes it a case of just shuffling around civilians between shitty carnal houses and slightly less shitty ones as they starved and were routinely killed by IDF soldiers with no repercussions.

Some top notch mental gymnastics here. But as a Soviet judge I am not giving you the gold just yet.

Hamas don't make suggestions and you know that. Why this feigned naivete? That's like pretending Putin, Un, Xi or MBS make suggestions. If you value your life or freedom you do what they say and you fucking do it with a smile.

Yes moving out of areas Israel specifically says it will bomb on X date is a prudent thing to do. Do civilians get killed elsewhere? Sure ...but it's idiotic to pretend both are the same. One place may have a handful of people getting killed for whatever reason while those who stay under bombing runs may die by the dozens or hundreds....I noticed for all your feigned intellect your logic is desperately and repeatedly lacking...
 
Some top notch mental gymnastics here. But as a Soviet judge I am not giving you the gold just yet.

Hamas don't make suggestions and you know that. Why this feigned naivete? That's like pretending Putin, Un, Xi or MBS make suggestions. If you value your life or freedom you do what they say and you fucking do it with a smile.

Yes moving out of areas Israel specifically says it will bomb on X date is a prudent thing to do. Do civilians get killed elsewhere? Sure ...but it's idiotic to pretend both are the same. One place may have a handful of people getting killed for whatever reason while those who stay under bombing runs may die by the dozens or hundreds....I noticed for all your feigned intellect your logic is desperately and repeatedly lacking...
Hamas isn't omnipotent, especially by this point of the war. How exactly did they stop hundreds of thousands of residents of Gaza City from leaving, and how in the world did Israel not annihilate the checkpoints and organized units that would be required to stop hundreds of thousands of fleeing civilians?

And no, you're once again lying. Israel didn't ask citizens to leave areas it was going to bomb, it asked an entire city to be evacuated, which is already impossible with any sense of humanitarian conditions given the state of infrastructure and aid.

Also you seem to not realize that yes, hundreds of thousands of civilians have repeatedly moved within Gaza fleeing the war, and probably about a third of dead Gazans were killed by Israeli strikes in "safe" zones (paragraph 80 if you stop using chatgpt and actually read). Is that your definition of a handful?
 
So you've followed every one of my words on this, and off this forum? Again, this is such a retarded standard. I can be critical of whatever topic I want to be critical of. Absence of any comments on any and every other atrocity doesn't mean I support them. I could use these same bullshit tactics on you to claim that you are Islamaphobic, but notice how I don't use these pathetic tactics?
I never said you support them. That would be even more weird.

You just pretend it's not happening. "Oh my there's a war in Yemen? Oh wow how tragic...oh what pro Gazan protestors in Pakistan got murdered by dozens? But there were like five of them...oh shit it actually says scores and dozens i should have googled those words so I can at least not look dumber than the ESL guy that I repeatedly called retarded and moron.....let me deflect to it's bad but say it's unrelated and it's the wrong thread...no wait let me accuse the guy of whataboutisms or pretend he's racist /antisemitic...."
Go back and read my post, I'm not going to constantly repeat myself.
I'll get right on that...
How the fuck is "my point" a strawman that you created out of thin air? You are claiming I "dont give a shit" about injustice all over the world, not me. That's your point, and you can't substantiate that. If you want to pull up me arguing in favor of atrocities anywhere else on the globe then maybe you would be able to have this double-standard argument, but you don't.

Substantiate? The proof is your singular focus. Surely for your 1000 Israel sucks you can dig up 10 China, Russia, KSA, DPRK, etc suck posts? Right? I am not holding my breath.

I've never seen you make a post about the Rwanda Genocide, therefore you support it and don't care about those people. Retard logic.

Quote me making anti-Semitic remarks about the Jewish people.

Oh please like most people would be dumb enough to make explicitly antisemitic comments. Most people these days use coded language. But I am not even accusing you of direct antisemitism. I am accusing you either of consciously or unconsciously having disproportionate negative bias towards all things Israel.

Invariably though one has to wonder why the only Jewish nation in the world is occupying so much space in your mind? Holding Israel and Jews to some bullshit standards is weird and borders on antisemitism...if I repeatedly seen you post these rants on other conflicts you'd have a point. That doesn't happen and if it does they are so rare as to be performative. You can bullshit me with Rwanda or whatever else but I don't spend all my time criticizing one country and pretend it's the cause of all trouble in the world while pretending to be oblivious with everything else that's happening in the world(some even related to Gaza). Oh yea KSA is bad. Pakistan sucks. Very comparable.

Oh, I know why. To deflect. To group the Palestinian people in with all of those other countries so now the Palestinians have to answer for shit done in other countries that have nothing to do with them. Saudi's are pieces of shit, so it's OK that the IDF is shooting kids in the dick. Got it.
You couldn't give a single fuck about any other conflict. Just man up and admit it. I get it you're a busy guy with your research. You're going to pretend you wrote even 1/100th of the posts on any other conflict?

To borrow your logic Palestinians should ponder, reflect, etc on the conduct of their fellow Muslims and Arabs around the world....you think Jews around the world should be doing it with Gaza...right?

Conflating the Jewish people with the actions of the Israeli government is in fact antisemitic, and something you regularly do, while simultaneously criticizing others for doing that. Clap yourself, moron.

Says the guy who voted Yes in the above poll. Brilliant.

I am not antisemitic, it's you who's antisemitic!

Now you're giving Colonel Jessup vibes from A Few Good Men...

Your mental gymnastics are a hoot bro. Thanks for the laughs.
 
Hamas isn't omnipotent, especially by this point of the war. How exactly did they stop hundreds of thousands of residents of Gaza City from leaving, and how in the world did Israel not annihilate the checkpoints and organized units that would be required to stop hundreds of thousands of fleeing civilians?

And no, you're once again lying. Israel didn't ask citizens to leave areas it was going to bomb, it asked an entire city to be evacuated, which is already impossible with any sense of humanitarian conditions given the state of infrastructure and aid.

Also you seem to not realize that yes, hundreds of thousands of civilians have repeatedly moved within Gaza fleeing the war, and probably about a third of dead Gazans were killed by Israeli strikes in "safe" zones (paragraph 80 if you stop using chatgpt and actually read). Is that your definition of a handful?


That's right Hamas just rounds up their enemies and publicly executes them...great logic as always...

Do you know what it's like to be ruled by fear? Of course not, it doesn't even enter your mind living in your bubble. Do you think DPRK monitors every inch of its territories for Un's decisions to be carried out? Do you think even surveillance state like China has to monitor every inch of its land to be effective in its edicts? Do you think Kremlin has to arrest or kill literally every critic?
 
That's right Hamas just rounds up their enemies and publicly executes them...great logic as always...

Do you know what it's like to be ruled by fear? Of course not, it doesn't even enter your mind living in your bubble. Do you think DPRK monitors every inch of its territories for Un's decisions to be carried out? Do you think even surveillance state like China has to monitor every inch of its land to be effective in its edicts? Do you think Kremlin has to arrest or kill literally every critic?
So your evidence of Hamas being the primary factor in Gazans not leaving is...the hundreds of thousands of civilians that have repeatedly moved around Gaza during this conflict? What is your logic even.

And do tell me how Hamas runs a surveillance state a la the Kremlin or China. Last I checked Israel runs telco in the region and is the one with a gigantic surveillance state since that kind of requires money and savvy Hamas doesn't have.

And hint: China and the DPRK both heavily rely on controlling telco and internet in their countries, which Hamas can't do for obvious reasons.

Also you're ducking the question as usual, probably about one-third of dead Gazans were killed by Israeli forces while in safe zones. Is that a handful in your book? One-third?
 
I never said you support them. That would be even more weird.

You just pretend it's not happening. "Oh my there's a war in Yemen? Oh wow how tragic...oh what pro Gazan protestors in Pakistan got murdered by dozens? But there were like five of them...oh shit it actually says scores and dozens i should have googled those words so I can at least not look dumber than the ESL guy that I repeatedly called retarded and moron.....let me deflect to it's bad but say it's unrelated and it's the wrong thread...no wait let me accuse the guy of whataboutisms or pretend he's racist /antisemitic...."

I'll get right on that...


Substantiate? The proof is your singular focus. Surely for your 1000 Israel sucks you can dig up 10 China, Russia, KSA, DPRK, etc suck posts? Right? I am not holding my breath.



Oh please like most people would be dumb enough to make explicitly antisemitic comments. Most people these days use coded language. But I am not even accusing you of direct antisemitism. I am accusing you either of consciously or unconsciously having disproportionate negative bias towards all things Israel.

Invariably though one has to wonder why the only Jewish nation in the world is occupying so much space in your mind? Holding Israel and Jews to some bullshit standards is weird and borders on antisemitism...if I repeatedly seen you post these rants on other conflicts you'd have a point. That doesn't happen and if it does they are so rare as to be performative. You can bullshit me with Rwanda or whatever else but I don't spend all my time criticizing one country and pretend it's the cause of all trouble in the world while pretending to be oblivious with everything else that's happening in the world(some even related to Gaza). Oh yea KSA is bad. Pakistan sucks. Very comparable.


You couldn't give a single fuck about any other conflict. Just man up and admit it. I get it you're a busy guy with your research. You're going to pretend you wrote even 1/100th of the posts on any other conflict?

To borrow your logic Palestinians should ponder, reflect, etc on the conduct of their fellow Muslims and Arabs around the world....you think Jews around the world should be doing it with Gaza...right?



Says the guy who voted Yes in the above poll. Brilliant.

I am not antisemitic, it's you who's antisemitic!

Now you're giving Colonel Jessup vibes from A Few Good Men...

Your mental gymnastics are a hoot bro. Thanks for the laughs.
YAWN. Not going to even read.
 
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