International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war Megathread

[avenue94]

Are there any Palestinians moderate and interested in governing properly long term? Or just in rebuilding offensive capabilities against Israel.

There's one rather important moderate still in Israeli prisons, and at this point the PA is more moderate than Hamas.

There aren't a lot of moderate voices left in Gaza after a couple occupations and decades of oppression by any number of regimes, that stuff is really bad for civil society.

 

[avenue94]

We'd never want him out because we are decent people, thats the difference

Whilst koya and snub put child murdering bus bombers on a pedestal

It's nowhere near the same scale but you seem to have forgotten that the US pardoned several Blackwater mercenaries who massacred civilians and children to such an egregious extent that we couldn't cover it up like much of Blackwater's other unsavory conduct.

Edit: This is of course after we refused to hand them over to Iraq for trial.

 

[Snubnoze707]

This piece of shit murdered 7 children and he's still breathing?

If he only served 22 years he's incredibly lucky.

Meanwhile IDF soldiers that killed tens of thousands of children are receiving zero years.

Go figure. No outrage from you there...

 

[Scerpi]

OK for Israeli Terrorists to kill kids by the tens of thousands.

NOT OK for Palestinian Terrorists to kill other Palestinian Terrorists.

Got it.

Dude... the mental gymnastics

You're twisting yourself in knots to defend Hamas?

 

[Scerpi]

The last message of Saleh to his family. A true hero. That he is vilified by the inhumane monsters here only cements that further.

lol.. He wasn't vilified

He was mocked

Very different

 

[Snubnoze707]

It seems like you are ok with Hamas settling their scores...killing is fine as long as it's done by Hamas or Muslims on Muslims...

You're such a piece of shit. Clearly I'm mocking you idiots for the double standard. Don't give a shit when civilians are getting killed, but suddenly now that Hamas is killing Palestinian militias you're all up in arms when you weren't for kids. I'm obviously not saying it's fine what Hamas is doing you retard.

The point is that there's this singular focus on Israel and crickets on everything else. Much larger countries, much larger death totals, etc and no one gives a single solitary fuck. You can say it's a whataboutism but it's also a completely valid question to ask... I mean dozens or scores of people were murdered by Pakistani government forces and not one mention on Al Jazeera's main page? How could this be?

Israel is specifically targeting an ethnic group and killing them with my tax dollars all while manipulating every facet of my government. I have a duty to oppose this as an American. It's not my job to speak out against every single atrocity on the planet. Why aren't you? That's such an idiotitc standard. You're just trying to excuse war crimes by Israel by saying "someone else is doing it" there for... what exactly? Now Israel has the right to commit war crimes? Fuck off.

While you're correct in that Israeli government actions and Jewish people are not the same, there's a major overlap in how many people view Israel, Jews and this conflict. Hell majority of people in this thread's poll think Jews anywhere in the world have something to ponder about even though they have fuck all to do with the war...you are in fact a 'yes' there as well...I know you will say I am twisting the guy's words but I am not...

You are completely contradicting yourself.

There's a rising levels of antisemitism and I see that shit all over Facebook and social media...maybe I consume too much right wing media or some other forms of media which just so happens to also have that stuff but it's a bit disconcerting...

You conflate everything anti-Israel with anti-semitic, that's why.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Dude... the mental gymnastics

You're twisting yourself in knots to defend Hamas?

No I'm very easily pointing out the double standard of you guys. It doesn't require gymnastic maneuvers to expose that, it DOES require gymnastics to defend the IDF while clutching pearls over Hamas.

 

[SuperAlly]

 

[SuperAlly]

There's one rather important moderate still in Israeli prisons, and at this point the PA is more moderate than Hamas.

There aren't a lot of moderate voices left in Gaza after a couple occupations and decades of oppression by any number of regimes, that stuff is really bad for civil society.

Not clear it's ever been a civil society

 

[SuperAlly]

Meanwhile IDF soldiers that killed tens of thousands of children are receiving zero years.

Go figure. No outrage from you there...

The man who cried about whatabouttery wouldn't be engaging in whatabouttery would he?

 

[SuperAlly]

lol.. He wasn't vilified

He was mocked

Very different

He should be mocked and vilified, hes a cunt and a villain

 

[avenue94]

Not clear it's ever been a civil society

Not a bad dad joke I suppose, but in all seriousness, civil war and constant occupations make it really hard to foster civil society, particularly when intellectuals and such keep getting tossed in jail for thinking the wrong thought or getting silenced by extremists.

 

[The_Renaissance]

They literally can't help themselves, it's deeply engrained in their blood and psyche. Barbaric society.

 

[DEVILsSON]

You're such a piece of shit. Clearly I'm mocking you idiots for the double standard. Don't give a shit when civilians are getting killed, but suddenly now that Hamas is killing Palestinian militias you're all up in arms when you weren't for kids. I'm obviously not saying it's fine what Hamas is doing you retard.

You came out a little strong here buddy. Did someone piss in your corn flakes? Your whataboutisms are always better than ours. I love it.

Well perhaps you should be clear with what you're saying because I get lectured by certain people here for being sarcastic.

Israel is specifically targeting an ethnic group and killing them with my tax dollars all while manipulating every facet of my government. I have a duty to oppose this as an American. It's not my job to speak out against every single atrocity on the planet. Why aren't you? That's such an idiotitc standard. You're just trying to excuse war crimes by Israel by saying "someone else is doing it" there for... what exactly? Now Israel has the right to commit war crimes? Fuck off.

What ethnic group is being targeted? The one that lives in Israel Proper with 99.9% of the same rights?

When American weapons are used to kill Yemenis or Pakistanis you turn into Kash Patel.

It's not your job to do anything. You just seem to have a lot of blind spots in your world awareness. Somehow tiny strip of land in Gaza and WB is all you notice. Why is that? Seems to be very fashionable.

I never said Israel has a right to commit war crimes and for the most part they don't. Have there been some questionable or fucked up acts? Yea for sure. That's the nature of war.

You are completely contradicting yourself.

You conflate everything anti-Israel with anti-semitic, that's why.

It's not a far leap when it's the only Jewish nation on earth that has to abide by some arbitrary standards but not its Muslim/Arab nations. I wonder why?

Is it because you have very poor opinion of Arab/Muslim countries? They can't help it? It's part of their culture? Not our role to comment on their actions?

 

[DEVILsSON]

Meanwhile IDF soldiers that killed tens of thousands of children are receiving zero years.

Go figure. No outrage from you there...

You can't be serious.

Hamas started a war which resulted in many needless deaths yet somehow it's Israel's fault it was attacked, has its citizens murdered and hundreds more kidnapped. But I get it the unspoken part here is you think Israel's fault is that it exists.

Hamas doesn't wear uniforms and fights among their civilians. Hamas uses tunnels to protect themselves and takes no actions to protect its population. In some places Hamas literally prevented its civilians from leaving combat areas. On and on.

Talk about being disingenuous and bad faith...

 

[DEVILsSON]

@Strychnine why is it allowed to post laughing emojis on a dead journalist last words for his friends and family ?

Didn't we set a standard of stopping the abuse of them to react to news of people being assassinated ?

You can't be serious? Are you shitposting here? If so, it's great. Maybe if I take your posts as just shitposting they actually become unironically funny.

You're idolizing a terrorist and you're complaining about a laugh react?

 

[Snubnoze707]

When American weapons are used to kill Yemenis or Pakistanis you turn into Kash Patel.

Bullshit, I was critical of Trumps attack on Yemen, and I don't support Pakistan whatsoever.

It's not your job to do anything. You just seem to have a lot of blind spots in your world awareness. Somehow tiny strip of land in Gaza and WB is all you notice. Why is that? Seems to be very fashionable.

I've already explained to you why I have more focus on this issue. Did you not even read what you are responding to? That's not to say that my world awareness is limited to this region, this conflict, or even this time period. Currently most of my focus is being put into the Late La Tene period of Europe in the Iron Age as I work out details for a sword commission. I'd argue my view of the world and history is much broader than yours.

It's not a far leap when it's the only Jewish nation on earth that has to abide by some arbitrary standards but not its Muslim/Arab nations. I wonder why?

Again, this whole "I wonder why???" shit to try and insinuate hate of the Jewish people as a whole because I'm criticizing a nation is fucking pathetic. Conflating the nation of Israel with the entire Jewish global population IS in fact anti-Semitic. You're the guilty one here.

Is it because you have very poor opinion of Arab/Muslim countries? They can't help it? It's part of their culture? Not our role to comment on their actions?

They can't help what? Why are you injecting "Arab/Muslim countries" into a regional conflict over Israeli's and Palestinians? You are the one always using the racist tactic of grouping and judging people together, not me.

 

[avenue94]

You can't be serious.

Hamas started a war which resulted in many needless deaths yet somehow it's Israel's fault it was attacked, has its citizens murdered and hundreds more kidnapped. But I get it the unspoken part here is you think Israel's fault is that it exists.

Hamas doesn't wear uniforms and fights among their civilians. Hamas uses tunnels to protect themselves and takes no actions to protect its population. In some places Hamas literally prevented its civilians from leaving combat areas. On and on.

Talk about being disingenuous and bad faith...

What areas are Hamas preventing civilians from leaving? You seem under the impression that they control the border crossings out of Gaza.

 

[DEVILsSON]

Especially when the gang was formed by Israel to act as a proxy...

The former looting gang is living in luxury thanks to aid from the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation and smuggled cash, cars and cigarettes.

Guns, cash and American aid: Investigation reveals Israel's support for Gaza militia

The former looting gang is living in luxury thanks to aid from the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation and smuggled cash, cars and cigarettes.

news.sky.com

And from June 2024 :

From Gaza prisoner to ‘the Israeli agent’: how rise of Abu Shabab could ignite new phase of war

In email exchange, leader of clan that Israel acknowledges arming blames Hamas for war and for looting of aid trucks

www.theguardian.com

It's only fine for Hamas to do that. You had zero issue with Hamas hoarding aid and its leaders living billionaire lifestyles in Qatar.

Bullshit, I was critical of Trumps attack on Yemen, and I don't support Pakistan whatsoever.

Wonderful. Great words. Your actions of never speaking (I can't wait for you to find some post or two where you 'condemn' something to do with Yemen or KSA and pretend it's on par) on it betray your claims though.

I've already explained to you why I have more focus on this issue. Did you not even read what you are responding to? That's not to say that my world awareness is limited to this region, this conflict, or even this time period. Currently most of my focus is being put into the Late La Tene period of Europe in the Iron Age as I work out details for a sword commission. I'd argue my view of the world and history is much broader than yours.

Which is what?

Same energy as

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Nice side step and deflection. I get it, you probably have PhD in history and far exceed my historical knowedge on many subjects and your point is that you willfully/intentionally/knowingly not give a shit about other conflicts for some 'random' not any type of antisemitic one....

Brilliant gambit. Bold Play Cotton!

Again, this whole "I wonder why???" shit to try and insinuate hate of the Jewish people as a whole because I'm criticizing a nation is fucking pathetic. Conflating the nation of Israel with the entire Jewish global population IS in fact anti-Semitic. You're the guilty one here.

Yea buddy I too am completely perplexed.

Why would anyone get this weird idea when you do nothing but shit on the only Jewish nation while simultaneously ignore all the other things happening around the world while explicitly pointing out your broad historical knowledge and high level of education....this is a tough one...

They can't help what? Why are you injecting "Arab/Muslim countries" into a regional conflict over Israeli's and Palestinians? You are the one always using the racist tactic of grouping and judging people together, not me.

Your ability to flex your knowledge/education while simultaneously acting dumb and uninformed is brilliant. I know I shit post here and there but this is great.

As a claimed historian or at least someone who studies history/does research you're telling me you don't know why someone would want to discuss Israel's neighbors? The way the world/you view those countries?

Yes why would anyone ever contextualize anything....why can't we just talk about Israel and not discuss anything it has to account for, its geography, geopolitics, its friendly neighbors, the way world/UN finds a way to overlook majority of acts by the entire world body and focuses all of its attention on the one Jewish nation ....so fucking weird indeed...truly puzzling...

I hear Canadians and Aussies are such nice people I have no idea why Israel is constantly waging wars with them? Oh wait a minute...I think I have my geography mixed up...

I'm not antisemitic it's you who's racist!! I love it. Brilliant. Slow clap.

 

[Strychnine]

I would hope that if you're adamant in your opinion or position that you would defend it with not just emojis, but with your thoughts.

I realize that this impacts us all and I know that we're all smart enough here engage in vigorous, meaningful discussion. I for one am glad that the hostages were released and the Palestinian people (at large) are no longer paying the price for what Hamas has done.

Feel free to insert laughing emojis below.