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Fitness in israel. But hey it's totally not a psychopathic murderous genocidal society no no no, it's only because of Netanyahu! Don't believe your eyes and your ears !

 
Anewt said:
No. Hes enabled the militias to... i highly doubt them stealing the aid was the goal. The goal was to disrupt hamas... But looters and smugglers are going to loot and smuggle... its part of the disruption... i guesdls you could say it was unforseen.. but yikes its pretty obvious

Arming these groups always ends up negative... regardless where you think they are pointed...

And yes that article is a bit hyperbolic. But the facts are he authorized arming them.. and they looted a fuck tionne of aid... and it seems a pretty obvious outcome to me tho



Heres the israel times as im sure other sources will be dismissed.




Israel providing guns to Gaza gang to bolster opposition to Hamas​

Security cabinet wasn't informed of plan to start arming Abu Shabab group, which was created in Rafah last year and has its roots in looting aid trucks​




Israel has been arming a criminal gang in the Gaza Strip as part of an effort to strengthen opposition to Hamas in the enclave, defense sources confirmed on Thursday following remarks on the matter by former defense minister Avigdor Liberman.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu later confirmed the report, saying the move helped save Israeli soldiers’ lives.

In a later statement, Netanyahu confirmed the move.

In the latest installment in a series of short interviews with advisor Topaz Luk his office has posted in recent weeks, Netanyahu said that “in consultation with security officials, we made use of clans in Gaza that are opposed to Hamas.”

“What’s wrong with that?” he continued. “It’s only good. It saves lives of IDF soldiers.”

“It’s extremely serious,” Netanyahu said of Liberman revealing the move and predicting that it won’t be investigated. “Publicizing it only does good for Hamas.

Liberman’s accusation was later confirmed by defense officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity, and the details were cleared for publication by the Israeli military censor.

The sources confirmed that Israel has been arming the gang with Kalashnikov rifles, including some that were seized from Hamas during the ongoing war.

The decision to start arming the group was made without the approval of Israel’s security cabinet, forgoing normal procedure. It was instead led by Israeli security bodies, with Netanyahu’s approval, the defense sources said.

The militia has been operating in Rafah, in an area under Israeli military control. Abu Shabab has claimed to be securing the humanitarian aid convoys entering Israel through the southern border crossings, although others have accused his gang of looting them.


According to the sources, some members of the group belong to an extremist Salafi faction that had run-ins with Hamas prior to the war as well.

This is not the first time that Netanyahu has been involved in or accused of propping up burgeoning militias and terror groups to undermine a common enemy.

Various reports over the years have indicated that Israel’s policy under Netanyahu was to treat Hamas as an asset that could be used to weaken the Palestinian Authority.

The premier reportedly told a Likud faction meeting back in 2019 that anyone who opposed the establishment of a Palestinian state should support sending funds to Hamas, the enemy of the internationally recognized Palestinian Authority.

Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich made a similar claim in an interview in 2015.

Amid the outrage generated by Liberman’s revelation on Thursday, the left-wing The Democrats leader Yair Golan pointed out the pattern of behavior.

“Netanyahu, who transferred billions to Hamas in suitcases full of cash, based on the incorrect belief that Hamas is an ‘asset,’ is now promoting a new dangerous concept: Arming a Gazan militia with ties to ISIS,” the politician wrote on X.

“Netanyahu is dangerous to Israel’s security,” he charged. “This is not a mistake. This is systematic. Netanyahu is selling Israel’s security for another day in office.
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Ok, fair enough, see your perspective now.

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Israel providing guns to Gaza gang to bolster opposition to Hamas”​


This is a good thing though. As someone needs to run Gaza who isn’t Hamas.

You can’t blame Israel for Palestinians looting aid for Palestinians. That’s still a Palestinian issue and not an Israeli one. Whether it’s Hamas or some other Palestinians, or as in the current case, both.

Otherwise the only logical conclusion is Palestinians cannot be trusted to govern themselves and someone else needs to do it for them, which will set the same jaws frothing.
 
Koya said:
Fitness in israel. But hey it's totally not a psychopathic murderous genocidal society no no no, it's only because of Netanyahu! Don't believe your eyes and your ears !

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Genocide = singing and dancing
Not genocide = raping, pillaging are murder

Thanks for clearing that one up
 
Palestinians detainees detail the horrible and cruel systematic and organized sexual tortured they were subject to in Israeli prisons

 
We've been talking about it since June. But hey let's pretend it's not Israel who propped Abu Shabab...

In Gaza, Israel promotes anti-Hamas militias linked to criminal networks​

Former defense minister and opponent of Benjamin Netanyahu, Avigdor Lieberman, stated on Thursday that the government was 'transferring weapons to groups of thugs and criminals.'

www.lemonde.fr

In Gaza, Israel promotes anti-Hamas militias linked to criminal networks

Former defense minister and opponent of Benjamin Netanyahu, Avigdor Lieberman, stated on Thursday that the government was 'transferring weapons to groups of thugs and criminals.'
www.lemonde.fr www.lemonde.fr
 
The_Renaissance said:
Absolutely incredibly said - spot fucking on, nail on head. These people are medieval barbarians, they aren't able to behave any differently as history has shown time and time again.
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Yeah, meanwhile the IDF that intentionally shoots small children in the testicles are the most Moral Army of all Time.

Israel slaughters tens of thousands of kids while mocking them: MEH.

Militias kill other Militias: OMG!!!!!! BARBARIANS!!!!
 
Israel has already killed close to 100 Palestinians since the ceasefire.

Give it another few weeks and they'll probably get up to to Hamas Oct 7th numbers.

All while on a ceasefire.

You cease, we fire. The Israeli way.

They're still killing Lebanese people daily.
 
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