International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war Megathread

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No eyes on Rafah? <{vega}>

Oh shit. Those killings are in rafah?


Thats abu shabib militia.

Anti-Hamas Abu Shabab militia: 'We will keep defending position in Rafah' amid ceasefire - report​

The Abu Shabab militia told Ynet that they welcomed the ceasefire agreement, but have no intention of leaving their positions in Rafah, and will continue to "defend their lands."​


 members of the Abu Shabab Popular Forces militia in the Gaza Strip.
members of the Abu Shabab Popular Forces militia in the Gaza Strip

 
Oh shit. Those killings are in rafah?


Thats abu shabib militia.

Anti-Hamas Abu Shabab militia: 'We will keep defending position in Rafah' amid ceasefire - report​

The Abu Shabab militia told Ynet that they welcomed the ceasefire agreement, but have no intention of leaving their positions in Rafah, and will continue to "defend their lands."​


 members of the Abu Shabab Popular Forces militia in the Gaza Strip.
members of the Abu Shabab Popular Forces militia in the Gaza Strip


The rafah comment was clearly a pun, if those same people with the same "eye on rafah" mantra truly cared about Palestinians they would be aggressive condemning Hamas on social media for murdering Palestinians. No?
 
The rafah comment was clearly a pun, if those same people with the same "eye on rafah" mantra truly cared about Palestinians they would be aggressive condemning Hamas on social media for murdering Palestinians. No?

Youll see a lot of this in the coming weeks.

I dont have much sympathy for the clans. I put them many of them on par with hamas. Some are worse. Some are better.

Two Hamas internal security officials said the killings shown in the video were in retaliation for the Doghmosh family’s killing of several Hamas militants during the war.

According to local sources, contact was lost with Aljafarawi during the day on Sunday. In the evening, news broke that he had been killed in the Sina’a area west of Gaza City. When his body arrived at the al-Ahli Arab Hospital, local sources said that signs of torture were apparent on his body and that seven bullets had pierced him. His wrists also displayed signs that he had been restrained.

Later that evening, Hamas fighters and armed members of the Doghmosh family fought a pitched gun battle in Gaza City, according to two Gaza health officials, two Hamas internal security officials and Palestinian residents.


Hamas launches securrity campaign against Israel-backed gangs and militias

When Israel broke its previous ceasefire with Hamas in March earlier this year, one of the chief targets of Israeli forces was civil servants in the Ministry of Interior, which included the police and internal security forces. The systematic targeting of these bodies aimed to create a power vacuum and sow chaos in the Strip. During the war, the Israeli intelligence funded and armed criminal gangs and local clans to attack Hamas and loot humanitarian aid, deepening social polarization. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu openly acknowledged this policy last June.

One of the most notorious of these armed groups, the so-called Popular Forces, is led by Yasser Abu Shabab, a member of the Bedouin Tarabin clan. He is believed to be located in Rafah, in areas still under Israeli control.

ployment of 7,000 security personnel across Gaza to “begin restoring order, end the chaos, and pursue collaborators with the Israeli army.”

When asked by a reporter about the “rearming” of the Hamas police and security forces on Monday, U.S. President Donald Trump told journalists that “we’re understanding, because they do want to stop the problems, and they’ve been open about it, and we gave them approval for a period of time.” Trump later doubled down on his defense of the Hamas crackdown, admitting that Hamas “did take out a couple of gangs that were very bad.”

“And that didn’t bother me much, to be honest with you,” the U.S. President told reporters.



On Tuesday, the chair of the largest assembly of clans in Gaza, Abu Salman al-Mughani, expressed his support for the Hamas crackdown, asserting that the accused were responsible for killing children, collaborating with Israel, looting aid and homes, and perpetuating the famine in Gaza.



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The Doghmush (also spelled Dughmush) clan in Gaza has historical ties to an ISIS-affiliated group called Jaysh al-Islam (Army of Islam), and has recently clashed with Hamas. The clan is a powerful, armed family with a history of organized crime and violence.
  • In the mid-2000s, members of the Doghmush clan, including leader Mumtaz Doghmush, broke away from Hamas to form Jaysh al-Islam.
  • Jaysh al-Islam is a Salafi-jihadist group with an ideology that aligns more closely with global religious war than Hamas's nationalistic goals. The group is known for kidnapping and arms trafficking.
  • Jaysh al-Islam has been identified by experts as being affiliated with ISIS.
Recent conflicts with Hamas
  • The Doghmush clan has been in conflict with Hamas for years due to ideological differences and disputes over control of tunnels and resources.
  • In March 2024, after the Israeli military's partial withdrawal from Gaza, Hamas reportedly executed a Doghmush clan leader in a move to reassert its authority.
 



The Palestinians being executed are seemingly from those militias. The ones that tried upending Hamas. The group they actually support. Not the Palestinians. Hamas. The group that wants the Jews gone. The group they actually supported all along, some of them visibly, most of them privately. The terrorist cell they deemed "freedom fighters". The group they thought represented communist and Rebel uprisings throughout history that brought about radical change. Wearing the keffiyeh as a 20yr old white middle class uni kid became the equivalent of the Che t shirt from decades past.

A virtue signal that "I'm just like you....I support you.....don't kill me when WE win.....I was always on your side".

Except they didn't win did they.

Wonder what cause is next for the Starbucks MacBook revolution?
 
Suddenly all of the people that were shrugging their shoulders at the IDF killing hundreds of civilians daily and shooting kids in the genitals are OUTRAGED now that Palestinians in militias that were working with Israel are getting killed.

Israel Using Gazan Militias for Military Operations in Exchange for Pay and Territory​

New testimonies reveal that the IDF and Shin Bet are now coordinating with organized Gazan militias in active combat roles. Soldiers and commanders are worried that these groups could act unpredictably and trigger chaos on the ground

 
If Saudis come into Gaza and start killing at 5x, no one will give a single fuck about any of it. It will be another Yemen.
Oh ill definetly keep complaining. But ill be talking into the ether as theres nobody who really supports the saudis.

I think its one of the few topics left and right pretty much agree on
 
Oh ill definetly keep complaining. But ill be talking into the ether as theres nobody who really supports the saudis.

I think its one of the few topics left and right pretty much agree on

You'll be in a great minority then like a guy talking to himself. We know this because Yemen war has been raging for over a decade with far more casualties and we have crickets from the great humanitarians in this thread.
 
You'll be in a great minority then like a guy talking to himself. We know this because Yemen war has been raging for over a decade with far more casualties and we have crickets from the great humanitarians in this thread.
Do you say the same in the russia ukraine thread ?
 
Do you say the same in the russia ukraine thread ?

I don't feign fake concern for certain conflicts because it's fashionable or because of my deep seated antisemitism(not implying anything about you personally because I think you genuinely don't want people to suffer which I respect). I don't know what your specific point is with Ukraine-Russia is...there are people literally saying "I am happy for the people in Gaza celebrating but I am unhappy that the war stopped because Israel still exists..." ...they tip their hand...it was never about Palestinians for them...they are just a convenient crude tool to repeatedly jab Israelis/Jews with...

So what will be the next passion project for these fake activists? DRC? Sudan? South Sudan? Yemen?
 
Youll see a lot of this in the coming weeks.

I dont have much sympathy for the clans. I put them many of them on par with hamas. Some are worse. Some are better.

Two Hamas internal security officials said the killings shown in the video were in retaliation for the Doghmosh family’s killing of several Hamas militants during the war.

According to local sources, contact was lost with Aljafarawi during the day on Sunday. In the evening, news broke that he had been killed in the Sina’a area west of Gaza City. When his body arrived at the al-Ahli Arab Hospital, local sources said that signs of torture were apparent on his body and that seven bullets had pierced him. His wrists also displayed signs that he had been restrained.

Later that evening, Hamas fighters and armed members of the Doghmosh family fought a pitched gun battle in Gaza City, according to two Gaza health officials, two Hamas internal security officials and Palestinian residents.


Hamas launches securrity campaign against Israel-backed gangs and militias

When Israel broke its previous ceasefire with Hamas in March earlier this year, one of the chief targets of Israeli forces was civil servants in the Ministry of Interior, which included the police and internal security forces. The systematic targeting of these bodies aimed to create a power vacuum and sow chaos in the Strip. During the war, the Israeli intelligence funded and armed criminal gangs and local clans to attack Hamas and loot humanitarian aid, deepening social polarization. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu openly acknowledged this policy last June.

One of the most notorious of these armed groups, the so-called Popular Forces, is led by Yasser Abu Shabab, a member of the Bedouin Tarabin clan. He is believed to be located in Rafah, in areas still under Israeli control.

ployment of 7,000 security personnel across Gaza to “begin restoring order, end the chaos, and pursue collaborators with the Israeli army.”

When asked by a reporter about the “rearming” of the Hamas police and security forces on Monday, U.S. President Donald Trump told journalists that “we’re understanding, because they do want to stop the problems, and they’ve been open about it, and we gave them approval for a period of time.” Trump later doubled down on his defense of the Hamas crackdown, admitting that Hamas “did take out a couple of gangs that were very bad.”

“And that didn’t bother me much, to be honest with you,” the U.S. President told reporters.



On Tuesday, the chair of the largest assembly of clans in Gaza, Abu Salman al-Mughani, expressed his support for the Hamas crackdown, asserting that the accused were responsible for killing children, collaborating with Israel, looting aid and homes, and perpetuating the famine in Gaza.



--‐-------------

The Doghmush (also spelled Dughmush) clan in Gaza has historical ties to an ISIS-affiliated group called Jaysh al-Islam (Army of Islam), and has recently clashed with Hamas. The clan is a powerful, armed family with a history of organized crime and violence.
  • In the mid-2000s, members of the Doghmush clan, including leader Mumtaz Doghmush, broke away from Hamas to form Jaysh al-Islam.
  • Jaysh al-Islam is a Salafi-jihadist group with an ideology that aligns more closely with global religious war than Hamas's nationalistic goals. The group is known for kidnapping and arms trafficking.
  • Jaysh al-Islam has been identified by experts as being affiliated with ISIS.
Recent conflicts with Hamas
  • The Doghmush clan has been in conflict with Hamas for years due to ideological differences and disputes over control of tunnels and resources.
  • In March 2024, after the Israeli military's partial withdrawal from Gaza, Hamas reportedly executed a Doghmush clan leader in a move to reassert its authority.
Netanyahu admitted they paid militias to loot aid? Come on mate. Its another PR hit piece
 
Suddenly all of the people that were shrugging their shoulders at the IDF killing hundreds of civilians daily and shooting kids in the genitals are OUTRAGED now that Palestinians in militias that were working with Israel are getting killed.

Israel Using Gazan Militias for Military Operations in Exchange for Pay and Territory​

New testimonies reveal that the IDF and Shin Bet are now coordinating with organized Gazan militias in active combat roles. Soldiers and commanders are worried that these groups could act unpredictably and trigger chaos on the ground

People are pointing out the rather stark and obvious fact that nobody seems to care when Palestinians die, only when Israelis are winning a war. Not your bullshit fantasist strawman narrative

But you go JK Rowling with your myths and fairytales
 
You'll be in a great minority then like a guy talking to himself. We know this because Yemen war has been raging for over a decade with far more casualties and we have crickets from the great humanitarians in this thread.

The sad truth is that our humanitarians and most muslims only start caring about the 250.000 dead children in Yemen after you point them out, and it stops as soon as the talk is over. So its always just a short lived charade and fake sympathy, unfortunately.

The harsh reality is, they dont care about dead children, they only care about who killes them. As you said, if Saudi walked into Gaza and made a real genocide, the predominant portion of muslims would not care and still find a way to blame the jews.
 
Netanyahu admitted they paid militias to loot aid? Come on mate. Its another PR hit piece

No. Hes enabled the militias to... i highly doubt them stealing the aid was the goal. The goal was to disrupt hamas... But looters and smugglers are going to loot and smuggle... its part of the disruption... i guesdls you could say it was unforseen.. but yikes its pretty obvious

Arming these groups always ends up negative... regardless where you think they are pointed...

And yes that article is a bit hyperbolic. But the facts are he authorized arming them.. and they looted a fuck tionne of aid... and it seems a pretty obvious outcome to me tho



Heres the israel times as im sure other sources will be dismissed.




Israel providing guns to Gaza gang to bolster opposition to Hamas​

Security cabinet wasn't informed of plan to start arming Abu Shabab group, which was created in Rafah last year and has its roots in looting aid trucks​




Israel has been arming a criminal gang in the Gaza Strip as part of an effort to strengthen opposition to Hamas in the enclave, defense sources confirmed on Thursday following remarks on the matter by former defense minister Avigdor Liberman.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu later confirmed the report, saying the move helped save Israeli soldiers’ lives.

In a later statement, Netanyahu confirmed the move.

In the latest installment in a series of short interviews with advisor Topaz Luk his office has posted in recent weeks, Netanyahu said that “in consultation with security officials, we made use of clans in Gaza that are opposed to Hamas.”

“What’s wrong with that?” he continued. “It’s only good. It saves lives of IDF soldiers.”

“It’s extremely serious,” Netanyahu said of Liberman revealing the move and predicting that it won’t be investigated. “Publicizing it only does good for Hamas.

Liberman’s accusation was later confirmed by defense officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity, and the details were cleared for publication by the Israeli military censor.

The sources confirmed that Israel has been arming the gang with Kalashnikov rifles, including some that were seized from Hamas during the ongoing war.

The decision to start arming the group was made without the approval of Israel’s security cabinet, forgoing normal procedure. It was instead led by Israeli security bodies, with Netanyahu’s approval, the defense sources said.

The militia has been operating in Rafah, in an area under Israeli military control. Abu Shabab has claimed to be securing the humanitarian aid convoys entering Israel through the southern border crossings, although others have accused his gang of looting them.


According to the sources, some members of the group belong to an extremist Salafi faction that had run-ins with Hamas prior to the war as well.

This is not the first time that Netanyahu has been involved in or accused of propping up burgeoning militias and terror groups to undermine a common enemy.

Various reports over the years have indicated that Israel’s policy under Netanyahu was to treat Hamas as an asset that could be used to weaken the Palestinian Authority.

The premier reportedly told a Likud faction meeting back in 2019 that anyone who opposed the establishment of a Palestinian state should support sending funds to Hamas, the enemy of the internationally recognized Palestinian Authority.

Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich made a similar claim in an interview in 2015.

Amid the outrage generated by Liberman’s revelation on Thursday, the left-wing The Democrats leader Yair Golan pointed out the pattern of behavior.

“Netanyahu, who transferred billions to Hamas in suitcases full of cash, based on the incorrect belief that Hamas is an ‘asset,’ is now promoting a new dangerous concept: Arming a Gazan militia with ties to ISIS,” the politician wrote on X.

“Netanyahu is dangerous to Israel’s security,” he charged. “This is not a mistake. This is systematic. Netanyahu is selling Israel’s security for another day in office.
 
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