International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war Megathread

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Koya said:
Yes we know that scenario : it's called the West Bank.

here houses are demolished everyday, and disgusting illegal settlers can piss on your head and if you're a palestinian you can do nothing or the Israeli army shoots you.
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That's what happens when you give a nation to prosecute total war on you. Hamas served that excuse to Israel on a platter.
 
Koya said:
This is what happens without an October 7th or hamas : a slow, suffocating and humiliating death that no one cares about. Fresh news from today but who gives a fuck right ?

Israel announces creation of 22 new settlements in West Bank​

Israel on Thursday announced it would create 22 new settlements in the occupied West Bank accelerating its ongoing expansion into the Palestinian territory. The settlements are considered illegal under international law.

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Israel announces creation of 22 new settlements in West Bank

Israel on Thursday announced it would create 22 new settlements in the occupied West Bank accelerating its ongoing expansion into the Palestinian territory. The settlements are considered illegal under…
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Defense Ministry confirms government approval of 22 new West Bank settlements​

Katz, Smotrich hail establishment of new communities, legalization of wildcat outposts as ‘protective wall’ for Israel, boosting ‘hold on Judea and Samaria,’ obstructing path to Palestinian state​


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Defense minister confirms government approval of 22 new West Bank settlements

Katz, Smotrich hail establishment of new communities, legalization of wildcat outposts as 'protective wall' for Israel, boosting 'hold on Judea and Samaria,' obstructing path to Palestinian state
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Israel confirms plans to create 22 new settlements in occupied West Bank​

Defence minister says move ‘prevents establishment of a Palestinian state that would endanger Israel’

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Israel confirms plans to create 22 new settlements in occupied West Bank

Defence minister says move ‘prevents establishment of a Palestinian state that would endanger Israel’
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Israel authorizes more settlements in the occupied West Bank. Strikes on Gaza kill 13, officials say​


JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel said Thursday it would establish 22 Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank, including the legalization of outposts already built without government authorization. Israeli strikes on the Gaza Strip meanwhile killed at least 13 people overnight, local health officials said.

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Chaos and deadly gunfire erupt again as starving Palestinians seek food at new distribution sites

Chaos erupted again as tens of thousands of desperate Palestinians tried to collect food from distribution sites in the Gaza Strip run by a new U.S.- and Israeli-backed foundation.
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Israel announces new West Bank settlements despite sanctions threat​



Israel announces major expansion of settlements in occupied West Bank​

Israeli ministers say 22 new Jewish settlements have been approved in the occupied West Bank - the biggest expansion in decades.

Several already exist as outposts, built without government authorisation, but will now be made legal under Israeli law, according to Defence Minister Israel Katz and Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich.

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Israel announces major expansion of settlements in occupied West Bank

The biggest such move in years is condemned by the Palestinian presidency as a "dangerous escalation".
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And now it's total war.

And it didn't have to be this way. :(
 
Strychnine said:
That's what happens when you give a nation to prosecute total war on you. Hamas served that excuse to Israel on a platter.
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The west bank didn't, and the situation here with illegal settlements and destroyed houses and expelled Palestinian families precede October 7th by decades. Literally. What's the excuse then ?
 
Strychnine said:
And now it's total war.

And it didn't have to be this way. :(
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So you mean it could just be slow and suffocating destruction and disappearance like what I pointed out above with the illegal settlements supported by the Israeli government in the west bank ? That's...
 
Motivated BJ Penn said:
Yeah and if they do that they end a pariah state like NK... the intent is there they just doing it more stealthy
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Smotrich says Gaza to be ‘totally destroyed,’ population ‘concentrated’ in small area​

Ultranationalist minister says population will be ‘totally despairing’ and want to leave the Strip, also predicts West Bank will be annexed before end of government’s term​


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Smotrich says Gaza to be ‘totally destroyed,’ population ‘concentrated’ in small area

Ultranationalist minister says population will be 'totally despairing' and want to leave the Strip, also predicts West Bank will be annexed before end of government's term
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bUt ThErE iS nO iNtEnT bRo
 
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Koya said:
So you mean it could just be slow and suffocating destruction and disappearance like what I pointed out above with the illegal settlements supported by the Israeli government in the west bank ? That's...
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Passive resistance a-la the U.S. civil rights movement. The U.S. threw down 200+ years of opression on people of color. Passive resistance won the day. This is the way. Because open war begats...

Open war.
 
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'What is it if not a war crime?': Israeli ex-PM blasts war in Gaza

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Former Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert has blasted the country's political leadership and the conduct of its military, telling CNN he is no longer able to defend Israel against accusations of war crimes.
Olmert, who led the country from 2006-2009, pointed to Israel's 11-week blockade of humanitarian aid into Gaza and the soaring number of Palestinians killed.
"What is it if not a war crime?" he asked rhetorically in an interview with CNN.

He said Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and far-right members of his government are "committing actions which can't be interpreted any other way".
Since the start of the war, Olmert has defended Israel abroad against accusations of genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza. When women and children were killed, Olmert said he told officials and interviewers that Israel would not deliberately target civilians.

But 19 months into a war Olmert says should have ended a year ago, he believes he can no longer make that case. CNN spoke to Olmert following the publication of an op-ed by the former prime minister that was published in Israel's Haaretz newspaper on Tuesday.

"What we are doing in Gaza now is a war of devastation: indiscriminate, limitless, cruel and criminal killing of civilians," he wrote.

Polls in Israel have repeatedly shown that most of the country supports a comprehensive ceasefire agreement that would see the release of the remaining 58 hostages held in Gaza and an end to the war.
But Netanyahu has refused to commit to an end to the war, insisting that Israel's expanding military campaign in Gaza will continue until the defeat of Hamas.




When you literally are at " war " and your own people view you as the bigger threat than who you are at war with... should make people question their support yad think

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Poll: 61% of Israelis fear for democracy, 66% say internal rift is greatest threat

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Sixty-one percent of Israelis fear for the country’s democracy, according to a poll published Friday, which showed widespread skepticism of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s reasons for continuing the war in Gaza and firing Shin Bet chief Ronen Bar.

Asked what the greatest threat to Israel is, 66% of respondents to the survey said it is the country’s internal rift in society, while 28% said it was security threats, and 6% said they didn’t know.

Consistent with the network’s recent polling, a large majority, 68%, supported signing a hostage deal with Hamas even if it meant ending the war against the terror group, while just 22% supported continued fighting in Gaza and 10% said they didn’t know.




Israelies are against this goverment but good luck getting a election. Gazans are against hamas. Good luck getting a election.. pa and westbank. Just getting screwed
 
@Strychnine

The pa in west bank is vastly different to hamas in gaza.

The Palestinian group Hamas has criticised the Palestinian Authority (PA), accusing it of attempting to "assassinate" its members, according to a Telegram post on Saturday.

The condemnation highlights escalating tensions between the two factions, amid frequent allegations that the PA collaborates with Israeli security forces in operations targeting resistance groups.

In the statement, Hamas official Abdul Rahman Shadid claimed: "What happened in Tulkarm Governorate, where the Authority's security forces directly shot at a resistance vehicle in an attempt to kill them for the second time in a few days, confirms that instructions were issued by officials in the Authority to liquidate and kill resistance fighters in the West Bank."




Its fun to keep blaming hamas. the loons stealing and reinforcing illegal settlements in the wb was going on beforee the war. 22 is a lot of new ones. But considering theres already 160 pre existing ones and literally bezal smoithrich stated this goal... before hamas ever attacked.


Seems quite odd to blame hamas for israel stealing west bank land...
 
Strychnine said:
Passive resistance a-la the U.S. civil rights movement. The U.S. threw down 200+ years of opression on people of color. Passive resistance won the day. This is the way. Because open war begats...

Open war.
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What are you talking about. You've been on this for 2 years know like a broken record. THEY'RE BUILDING SETTLEMENTS EVERYDAY IN THE WEST BANK AND EXPELLING GEANDMOTHERS AND CHILDREN. This is from today:

 
Koya said:
What are you talking about. You've been on this for 2 years know. THEY'RE BUILDING SETTLEMENTS EVERYDAY IN THE WEST BANK AND EXPELLING GEANDMOTHERS AND CHILDREN.
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Thus, the long game al-la the Civil rights movement. Because the attack on the concert that was benefiting the Palestinian people?

It was like taking a nailgun to your own penis.
 
Koya said:

'We've Been Silent Too Long': 1,300 Israeli Academics Call to End Gaza War, Citing 'Moral Collapse'​

'This is a horrifying list of war crimes and crimes against humanity – our own doing,' the academics' letter states, urging Israeli academic leaders to 'mobilize the full weight of Israeli academia to stop the war'


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1,300 Israeli academics urge end to Gaza war, citing 'moral collapse'

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Moral collapse? Hamas never had morals to begin with





There's no solution where Hamas is left in power or intact...

The citizens of Gaza need to evict them themselves.
 
Strychnine said:
Thus, the long game al-la the Civil rights movement. Because the attack on the concert that was benefiting the Palestinian people?

It was like taking a nailgun to your own penis.
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Again this happen in Gaza NOT THE WEST BANK. The fuck you mean by non violence ? So when those hooligans attack families and children and displace them, you blame the palestinians that defend their homes bbecause they should just be "non violent" ??





Oh ans aren't you the guy who HATES throwing stones with a PASSION ? Hope you keep the same energy when it's israelis who do the deed
 
Trying to pass off a Rave happening right outside the walls of a concentration camp where Israeli's were getting drunk, doing molly, and dancing with glow sticks as some kind of event that was "for the Palestinians" is complete and total rubbish.

Allowing it to happen when you had a heads up about an attack happening that day is criminal. Why hasn't anyone in Israel been held accountable for the failure on Oct. 7th? I guess it's easier to hold a 5 year old in Gaza responsible and smash him into paste instead.
 
Scerpi said:
Moral collapse? Hamas never had morals to begin with





There's no solution where Hamas is left in power or intact...

The citizens of Gaza need to evict them themselves.
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How do you think they can possibly rise against hamas undsr the current conditions.

Ok you me. Are gazan.. we disagree with hamas. We somehow convince others to join us.


So we what? Gather some weapons to overthrow hamas? And get blown up by the idf for beimg hamas fighters lol.

THey have the food and the weapons and any sort of resistence would be ended immediately by hamas and the idf ( for differing reasons )

cant gather in any numbers. Cant arm themselves . Cant even get enough feed. Yet somehow they are going to " evict " hamas ....


Just dlesnt seem possible imo
 
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Koya said:
Again this happen in Gaza NOT THE WEST BANK. The fuck you mean by non violence ? So when those hooligans attack families and children and displace them, you blame the palestinians that defend their homes bbecause they should just be "non violent" ??





Oh ans aren't you the guy who HATES throwing stones with a PASSION ? Hope you keep the same energy when it's israelis who do the deed
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If anyone is accused of any crimes, they should face the full brunt of the law if judged and found guilty no matter whom. I've said this throughout the thread be they Israeli or Hamas.
 
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