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Does Mandy Patinkin have a valid point?


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I asked you if might makes right then you are committing to that view Israel is right in what it is doing and you answered yes.

I then asked you if you apply the same logic (if you are logically consistent) and also accept that the Nazis were right in what they did to Jews. You answered yes.

The question is what do Jews and Israelis here think of you stance? How can you have such vile views against Jews (supporting Nazis against Jews) and then also claim to be team Israel?

Is English not your first language? I clearly stated that I would never support what the Nazis did to the Jews. I said the fact what they did was wrong didn't matter, because they had the strength to do it. Just as Hamas had the strength to do what they did on 10/7, and the IDF has to kick the living fuck out of them in return.
 
I realise you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, so I will try to dumb this down for you: right and wrong are moral positions. They only have as much effect on the world as someone has the power to enforce them. Of course the Holocaust was wrong. It still happened, because the Jews were too weak to stop it. Something that informs pretty much every military and political decision made in Israel.

"Never again will the Jews allow themselves to be put on the trains".

You're living in a fantasy where morality, ethics, human rights and international law have their own intrinsic power, as though they were fundamental, like Gravity or Electromagnatism. But the real world only changes, for good or ill, when you force it to.

Hear endth the lesson. You're welcome. ;)
You didn't address my claim, I know the difference between right/wrong and good/bad or evil. I didn't mention right or wrong in my claim, I mentioned support.

I will state it again: you said that might makes right. When the Nazis where mighty they were right according to you. Your logic entails support for the Nazi genocide of the Jews.

Isn't this uncomfortable to you? I thought you were team Israel.

I take this as you tapping out because you realised that your logic forces you to take uncomfortable positions that entail support for the Nazi crimes against the Jews.
 
Hypothetically speaking, if someone were to kill your daughter and parade her nude corpse around to be spat upon and defiled, are you still going to claim that he is the victim?
You don't reply to a question with a question if you could actually answer it.
 
You didn't address my claim, I know the difference between right/wrong and good/bad or evil. I didn't mention right or wrong in my claim, I mentioned support.

I will state it again: you said that might makes right. When the Nazis where mighty they were right according to you. Your logic entails support for the Nazi genocide of the Jews.

Isn't this uncomfortable to you? I thought you were team Israel.

I take this as you tapping out because you realised that your logic forces you to take uncomfortable positions that entail support for the Nazi crimes against the Jews.

You tapped out about ten minutes ago. Then you started spazzing out, even after I released the Arm Bar. ;)

I get it: you're stupid and cowardly, like everyone else who supports Ham-ass. You can't lift yourself up, so you have to try and drag everyone else down to your own pitiful level.
 
Were you deprived of oxygen as a baby? Hypothetically, if someone raped my daughter, I would hunt that person down and...well, if I say the quiet part out loud, I'd probably get banned. Suffice to say, it would make what the IDF is currently doing look gentle in comparison. 👿

Not surprising a Hamas nut-hugger like you would bring up rape, though. ;)
So might doesn't make right in this case because it is your daughter? It is all relative, right? The principle that might is right only apply when you feel like it?

How do you decide when it applies and when it doesn't?
 
You didn't address my claim, I know the difference between right/wrong and good/bad or evil. I didn't mention right or wrong in my claim, I mentioned support.

I will state it again: you said that might makes right. When the Nazis where mighty they were right according to you. Your logic entails support for the Nazi genocide of the Jews.

Isn't this uncomfortable to you? I thought you were team Israel.

I take this as you tapping out because you realised that your logic forces you to take uncomfortable positions that entail support for the Nazi crimes against the Jews.

You can state it as many times as you like. Einstein was right. ;)
 
Is English not your first language? I clearly stated that I would never support what the Nazis did to the Jews. I said the fact what they did was wrong didn't matter, because they had the strength to do it. Just as Hamas had the strength to do what they did on 10/7, and the IDF has to kick the living fuck out of them in return.
Actually it isn't, but that's irrelevant.

But you said that might makes right. You used the word right to describe the actions of the in the position of might.

What does the word right mean to you when you use it? Is it in the utilitarian sense or merely to express agreement and acceptance?
 
So might doesn't make right in this case because it is your daughter? It is all relative, right? The principle that might is right only apply when you feel like it?

How do you decide when it applies and when it doesn't?

It always applies, whether you or I like it or not. All we can do is pick our own side.

I can understand why that' difficult for you to accept, since your side is getting it's collective head kicked in by my side.
 
No, I don't. This is the thousandth time you've said this to me and I still have no clue what the hell you're talking about. Why don't you explain to me in layman's terms what Sherdog means to you?



And yet you're making subtle digs at me behind my back, calling me a Nazi and "Zionazi" in posts directed at other posters without understanding the irony in making such accusations.
And you never will understand how to sherdog.

I am not making digs at anyone specifically. I do not tag you. I do not quote you. I try to not respond to you.

If you feel you fit inot the zionazi, then maybe you should look at your own post history.
 
Your question is invalid because there are no instances of IDF soldiers raping Gazan women in the current conflict.

Put down the crack pipe and quit making shit up.
I didn't mention IDF soldiers or Gazan women in my hypothetical.

It was a question to test his logical consistency. He claims that might is right and that whatever the mighty do is right, since he doesn't judge by any other principle. Then I asked is someone mightier than him raped his daughter would he see the act as right.

Got it?
 
It always applies, whether you or I like it or not. All we can do is pick our own side.

I can understand why that' difficult for you to accept, since your side is getting it's collective head kicked in by my side.
No I can understand it. It always applies, even in hypotheticals such as a mightier person than you raping your daughter, the act would be right according to you, because it always applies, right?

At least you are consistent.

You think that if someone mightier than you raped the women in your family that act would be right. And you also think the Nazis did to Jews was right because the Nazis where the mighty.
 
I didn't mention IDF soldiers or Gazan women in my hypothetical.

It was a question to test his logical consistency. He claims that might is right and that whatever the mighty do is right, since he doesn't judge by any other principle. Then I asked is someone mightier than him raped his daughter would he see the act as right.

Got it?

Your question was utterly retarded. But then, I wouldn't expect anything else from a Ham-ass supporter.

Got it? :rolleyes:
 
You tapped out about ten minutes ago. Then you started spazzing out, even after I released the Arm Bar. ;)

I get it: you're stupid and cowardly, like everyone else who supports Ham-ass. You can't lift yourself up, so you have to try and drag everyone else down to your own pitiful level.
Hhaha ad hominems because I used your own logic against you. I jiu jitsued you logically.

Your logic forces you to commit to the idea that the Nazis were right in what they did to Jews (which can never be right in a same person's mind), and now you got upset at me for tapping you out, so you resort to ad hominems lol.
 
Your question was utterly retarded. But then, I wouldn't expect anything else from a Ham-ass supporter.

Got it? :rolleyes:
Good thing is that everyone can read our posts and see how you accept very stupid and vile things such as that if someone is mightier than you then if he raped the women in your family then it is right or than what the Nazis did to Jews is right.

I'm sure everyone here disagrees with you.

You should probably assess your views and do something, seek help, I don't know.

No one should ever say that raping a woman is right or that what the Nazis did to Jews is right. You are vile and disgusting.
 
Good thing is that everyone can read our posts and see how you accept very stupid and vile things such as that if someone is mightier than you then if he raped the women in your family then it is right or than what the Nazis did to Jews is right.

I'm sure everyone here disagrees with you.

You should probably assess your views and do something, seek help, I don't know.

No one should ever say that raping a woman is right or that what the Nazis did to Jews is right. You are vile and disgusting.

Look at the Likes our respective posts have recieved. Not everyone is as stupid and cowardly as you. No matter how much you might wish they were.
 
Your question was utterly retarded. But then, I wouldn't expect anything else from a Ham-ass supporter.

Got it? :rolleyes:
You already answered it in another post when you said that the principle "might makes right": It always applies, whether you or I like it or not.

So in that hypothetical of a man mightier than you raping the women of your family, your stance is: whether you like it or not, might makes right, therefore what the mighty man did is right.
 
Hhaha ad hominems because I used your own logic against you. I jiu jitsued you logically.

Your logic forces you to commit to the idea that the Nazis were right in what they did to Jews (which can never be right in a same person's mind), and now you got upset at me for tapping you out, so you resort to ad hominems lol.

Unlike you, I live in the real world. Where might always makes right, no matter how much people like you try to argue otherwise.

You keep whining about how what the IDF are doing is wrong. So why are they still able to do it, then?
 
Look at the Likes our respective posts have recieved. Not everyone is as stupid and cowardly as you. No matter how much you might wish they were.
Hahahaha as if likes mean anything
This thread is an eco chamber for ill people like you and zionists
 
You already answered it in another post when you said that the principle "might makes right": It always applies, whether you or I like it or not.

So in that hypothetical of a man mightier than you raping the women of your family, your stance is: whether you like it or not, might makes right, therefore what the mighty man did is right.

Might makes right in the sense he was able to do it. It doesn't make it morally right, but morality means less than my last shit. That's what Hama-ass supporters like you will never understand. You done fucked up by pissing off the Israelis, and now you're paying the price.
 
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