Law Gun Control: A Global Overview

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Home invasions almost never end in violence or death over here (uk) because the public aren’t armed. You break in to someone’s house and they have access to the same weapons you do - knives and bats. No burglar want to risk a knife fight with a home owner who is ‘desperate’ to defend his family. Guns take that risk away because you can stand 15 feet away, point and press.

Learning to fight/self defence is generally enough to defend yourself over here thankfully.

Is this the best time to brag about British law and order?

 

[Rob Battisti]

Home invasions almost never end in violence or death over here (uk) because the public aren’t armed. You break in to someone’s house and they have access to the same weapons you do - knives and bats. No burglar want to risk a knife fight with a home owner who is ‘desperate’ to defend his family. Guns take that risk away because you can stand 15 feet away, point and press.

Learning to fight/self defence is generally enough to defend yourself over here thankfully.

This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read

 

[LeonardoBjj]

That's not really the case though, from what I've read from people like Malcom gladwell.

Removing the easiest and most available method of suicide does seem in fact to reduce the overall suicide rate. I understand your position, that if someone wants to kill ybemselves, they will do so with whatever method is available, but there's a other side to yhe coin.

What about people who are only momentarily in crisis and will recover from their suicidal urges if they aren't succesful in killing themselves when they feel like doing so? Obviously removing guns from easy grasp by these people would reduce how many of them kill themselves.

And in fact, maybe that's even more reason to consider strongly limiting gun availability. Maybe you can tbink of people who are suicidal as belonging to one of two groups- committed, long term suicidal people who will find a way to kill themselves, abd short term people in crisis whose desire for suicide is transient. Think of moody, depressed teenagers or people who have just been dumped who can't see things improving because they're so stuck in their current mindstate. I'd say it's pretty obvious how removing easily available guns would do a long way towards preventing these kinds of people from killing themselves before they recover from their impermanent crisis state.

- I do agree. I think a suicide person has a bigger chance of using his gun, than any other person. Guns are barelly used, they end up being a very expensive paper weight(guns are really expensives here). But i barelly see people here killing themselves with guns, they usually hang themselves, i think it's the most common methode here.

I've said in other threads, as a outsides, getting a legal gun in america looks pretty easy. Here you have to pass a psichological test(that being real, anyone can pass), having the monbey to spend on something that you probably will never use.

I just dont find it's fair to remove the people the ability to defend themselves.

Now hunters are weirdos, grow a pair of balls, and face a animal mano a mano!

 

[LeonardoBjj]

There's the other point, that I'm not really going to attempt to prove because I wouldn't know how to do so statistically speaking, but if a criminal has a gun, they're probably going to be more brazen than if they have a knife or something else.

I'm much safer if a dingus with a knife enters my home. And they're just not very likely to be equipped with a firearm if they're not legal even if they can be obtained somehow.

- No. I've talked with @nhbbear on his thread, and in other threads in the technique forums. I'm more afraid of a guy with a knife than with a gun, just attending and saying a person cutt by a balde is pretty ugly.

With a knife, any change of angle can netralize the defensive technique, in a close space, like a house its pretty hard to avoid, any able bodyded man(spell?) can close the distance in a couple of moments.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

It would really take a huge shift in culture for anything like that to even potentially happen and I honestly doubt it will.

We fucking love guns. First person shooters Are wildly popular in the video game world, everybody (myself included) loves watching John Wick Kill the bad guys with sweet gun-fu, we give our kids realistic replicas that shoot water or plastic ammo. I can’t imagine the gun culture in the states ever swinging the other way, but who knows.

- I hate fps's.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

One thing I haven’t seen discussed much in these 2A threads is a discipline called corpus linguistics, so I’d like to drop a post in about that.

Newly created databases now offer us thousands of historical, colonial-era texts, and the ability to quickly search them for phrases so that we could learn their original meaning and context.

This database was not available in 2007, as the SCOTUS prepared to hear DC v Heller, but the historian Saul Cornell was still able to find more than 100 colonial-era examples of the phrase “bear arms,” with 96% of them relating to militia service specifically. And yet, the Court brushed that aside, and Antonin Scalia defined “bear arms” merely as carrying a weapon.

But now, we have databases like COFEA (the Corpus of Founding Era American English), and COEME (the Corpus of Early Modern English).
A search of them found 900 colonial-era examples of the phrase “bear arms,” and nearly all 900 related to an organized military/militia context. Only 7 of them were either ambiguous or carried no military context.

Those databases only have the phrase “keep arms” in a relevant context 26 times—and 25 out of 26 times refer to militia or military context (the one that doesn’t, is ambiguous).

While it’s not quite case closed yet, the evidence is becoming overwhelming:
the SCOTUS’s interpretation of the 2A in Heller and the cases that followed it, is grievously wrong.

The Web of Language

blogs.illinois.edu

- Loved the read. Thank you for the post.

Another thing it's was a diferent time. The police was less effetive, the public security, even the army barelly had any weapons. Theres were hordes of rapists going around, so weapons were more neeeded than today. As i said, people barelly use their guns, they're barelly used in self-defense cases, but are used, theres examples. If a criminal doesnt knows if a person has a gun or not, he inst going to take the chance.

 

[Deorum]

Do you own any firearmz, @BroRogan?

 

[Gutter Chris]

Do you own any firearmz, @BroRogan?

I saw that and I thought, I can't recall what your edc is . Mjolnir , fist knife and couldn't recall the gun

 

[PhitePhan]

- Loved the read. Thank you for the post.

Another thing it's was a diferent time. The police was less effetive, the public security, even the army barelly had any weapons. Theres were hordes of rapists going around, so weapons were more neeeded than today. As i said, people barelly use their guns, they're barelly used in self-defense cases, but are used, theres examples. If a criminal doesnt knows if a person has a gun or not, he inst going to take the chance.

Research shows between 60,000 and 2 million self defense gun uses per year in the US.

 

[nhbbear]

- No. I've talked with @nhbbear on his thread, and in other threads in the technique forums. I'm more afraid of a guy with a knife than with a gun, just attending and saying a person cutt by a balde is pretty ugly.

With a knife, any change of angle can netralize the defensive technique, in a close space, like a house its pretty hard to avoid, any able bodyded man(spell?) can close the distance in a couple of moments.

Buddy of my brother was nypd and cut slashed by a carpet knife in the neck and cut tendons. He can’t turn his neck and had to retire. His partner shot the guy but he lived and at trial, all his gang buddies tried to intimidate them. It was a hideous wound.

I would not want to go against someone that knows how to fight with a knife, but someone with a gun scares me a bit more because they don’t have to get close. In close, I have a chance and I have fought knife wielding suspects before

 

[Deorum]

I saw that and I thought, I can't recall what your edc is . Mjolnir , fist knife and couldn't recall the gun

A Mjölnir chain, money clip, Winkler push dagger, and a G26. I keep a bunch of pocket-sized copies of the Constitution in the glove box of my truck too and hand them out to people I come across, lol.

 

[Deorum]

 

[Gutter Chris]

A Mjölnir chain, money clip, Winkler push dagger, and a G26. I keep a bunch of pocket-sized copies of the Constitution in the glove box of my truck too and hand them out to people I come across, lol.

It would seriously make my day if I was out and about and someone gave me a copy of the constitution. All I ever get are pamphlets for jahova

 

[Gutter Chris]

And that right there is the number one reason I will not vote for her. I am tired of hearing about assault weapon bans and what they think I need or don't need. Shits a deal breaker for me. I wish they would try to do something else to "improve" society instead.

As far as the second goes I'm pretty glad for the current court we have. It will make it hard to do anything crazy for the time being.

It's weird to me to campaign on taking people's rights away.

 

[KnightTemplar]

It's not like Hamilton was the only time it happened though, there were also incidents like Hungerford.

And it's happened since then: Derek Bird in 2010, for example. There always were and always will be outliers. Draconian gunlaws didn't stop the psychos. It only punished the innocent.

But politicians would always prefer to treat the symptom rather than the disease.

 

[KnightTemplar]

This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read

He's actually saying that criminals not being killed after breaking into a house in the the UK is a good thing?!

 

[DoctorTaco]

am tired of hearing about assault weapon bans and what they think I need or don't need

Not a smart ass remark, I’m genuinely curious- where should we draw the line with what weapons private citizens can own? Forget the AR (yes, I know not an assault rifle) and let’s discuss actual fully auto assault rifles. Cool? Compact and sub-compact machine guns ok? How big of caliber can I own before it’s a problem or I’d need a permit. Grenades? Crazy as that sounds you think about how many rounds a lot of the gravy seal types carry in their spare mags they are looking at prolonged exchanges so why not? Or maybe just flash bangs? Anti-tank rounds?

 

[fingercuffs]

There are tons of crazy restrictions.

The last gun I purchased was an all brass Henry lever rifle (think late 1800's era).

I ordered the gun, and it took like 16 months until it was ready to pickup.

When I picked it up, I couldn't buy ammo at the same time as I was picking up the gun..........WTF

Because they make them to order I wonder? When you checked up on the hold up what did they say? Lovely looking pic.

 

[fingercuffs]

Not a smart ass remark, I’m genuinely curious- where should we draw the line with what weapons private citizens can own? Forget the AR (yes, I know not an assault rifle) and let’s discuss actual fully auto assault rifles. Cool? Compact and sub-compact machine guns ok? How big of caliber can I own before it’s a problem or I’d need a permit. Grenades? Crazy as that sounds you think about how many rounds a lot of the gravy seal types carry in their spare mags they are looking at prolonged exchanges so why not? Or maybe just flash bangs? Anti-tank rounds?

With no background checks, cooling off periods, everyone that's been inside for violent crimes, domestic abuse etc. Hurrah.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read

I think the reality is over here burglars are usually polite enough to wait until you're out. Seems like the US has more of an issue with people just barging in when people are at home for whatever reason.