Law Gun Control: A Global Overview

Okay.
Let take your perspective "gun suicides are irrelevant"?
those lives dont actually count in any meaningful way.

21k deaths from murder. 2.6k children, but maybe they dont count as much either.




That’s a better representation of gun violence, thank you.
 
In Canada we desperately need American style gun laws. They make you jump through 1000 hoops just to use a hunting rifle here. 500 bucks just to go to a class and write the exam, which is intentionally put at a high fail threshold. It's a big scam and a violation of human rights in my opinion.
 
In Canada we desperately need American style gun laws. They make you jump through 1000 hoops just to use a hunting rifle here. 500 bucks just to go to a class and write the exam, which is intentionally put at a high fail threshold. It's a big scam and a violation of human rights in my opinion.

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Suicides are part of the discussion, was my point.

I never said they were the sole reason someone might wish to outlaw guns.

The assertion by someone else earlier was they should just be ignored because they were disingenuous - read: incovenient.

No way they should be ignored. A death by a gun is a death by a gun and should be factored into any conversation, regardless of the outcome.
my argument against your position on suicide and gun violence in general goes like this. lets end suicide instead. lets become a loving society that is there for others. lets have each person actually seek spiritual growth and gain wisdom so that every single citizen is ready, willing and equipped to help their brother or sister out of that hole.

taking away guns in not the solution in a world that is profoundly violent and sick. that's the reason we need guns. what we all need to do is get off our assess and actually gain some growth and wisdom and usefulness to others and get on with the business of raising humanity up generationally.



I used to be a hippie and the thing I learned from that crowd is that nudity needs to come after enlightenment and not before it. getting rid of things that keep people honest, chaste, faithful etc is not the way to overcoming our issues and puts the cart before the horse. same with men in women's restrooms... first solve the problem of male pattern violence and then stick them in with women. to do it first though is really dumb.
 
my argument against your position on suicide and gun violence in general goes like this. lets end suicide instead. lets become a loving society that is there for others. lets have each person actually seek spiritual growth and gain wisdom so that every single citizen is ready, willing and equipped to help their brother or sister out of that hole.

taking away guns in not the solution in a world that is profoundly violent and sick. that's the reason we need guns. what we all need to do is get off our assess and actually gain some growth and wisdom and usefulness to others and get on with the business of raising humanity up generationally.



I used to be a hippie and the thing I learned from that crowd is that nudity needs to come after enlightenment and not before it. getting rid of things that keep people honest, chaste, faithful etc is not the way to overcoming our issues and puts the cart before the horse. same with men in women's restrooms... first solve the problem of male pattern violence and then stick them in with women. to do it first though is really dumb.

I totally wore my Luke 22 36 ar 15 shirt today buddy. Spreading love the best we can and staying strapped up. America rules. I very much agree with you that to tackle suicide you don't go after the tool you shepard the flock.
 
I think the problem is the more guns are in circulation the easier it is for them to get into the wrong hands. If there's a gun in a home and there's a burglary there's a good chance the gun gets stolen.

Criminals don't need to steal firearms. Organised Crime Groups have easy access to firearms from Europe. FFS, grenades have been used by OCG's on the British mainland. Two policewomen were lured into an ambush by a psycho and murdered with a grenade and a Glock handgun.

If you outlaw guns, only the outlaws have guns.
 
Criminals don't need to steal firearms. Organised Crime Groups have easy access to firearms from Europe. FFS, grenades have been used by OCG's on the British mainland. Two policewomen were lured into an ambush by a psycho and murdered with a grenade and a Glock handgun.

If you outlaw guns, only the outlaws have guns.

I think it's a bit disingenuous to bring up grenades as if that's a nationwide issue when it's happened once or twice.

If it's a huge issue why aren't more people over here being killed by bad guys with all the guns?
 
I think it's a bit disingenuous to bring up grenades as if that's a nationwide issue when it's happened once or twice.

If it's a huge issue why aren't more people over here being killed by bad guys with all the guns?

Here's the thing: even when legal gun ownership in the UK was much more widespread, we still never had the same level of gun violence as America.

Hungerford and Dunblane were outliers. And Dunblane would never have happened if the police had simply enforced the laws available to them at the time. But they were too lazy/corrupt/cowardly/delete where applicable to take away Hamilton's guns, and innocent children paid the price.

The legislation to make it almost impossible to legally own most firearms was unnecessary. And the two former PM's who brought it in still enjoy 24/7 armed police protection. At taxpayers expense, of course. ;)
 
Here's the thing: even when legal gun ownership in the UK was much more widespread, we still never had the same level of gun violence as America.

Hungerford and Dunblane were outliers. And Dunblane would never have happened if the police had simply enforced the laws available to them at the time. But they were too lazy/corrupt/cowardly/delete where applicable to take away Hamilton's guns, and innocent children paid the price.

The legislation to make it almost impossible to legally own most firearms was unnecessary. And the two former PM's who brought it in still enjoy 24/7 armed police protection. At taxpayers expense, of course. ;)

It's not like Hamilton was the only time it happened though, there were also incidents like Hungerford.
 
Anyone out there committing home invasions is already a criminal so they probably don't give a shit if the government allows people to have them. Either way, in a situation like that I don't want to test my knife fighting, sword fighting, or fist fighting skills. I want to end the threat as soon as possible.

Home invasions almost never end in violence or death over here (uk) because the public aren’t armed. You break in to someone’s house and they have access to the same weapons you do - knives and bats. No burglar want to risk a knife fight with a home owner who is ‘desperate’ to defend his family. Guns take that risk away because you can stand 15 feet away, point and press.

Learning to fight/self defence is generally enough to defend yourself over here thankfully.
 
Criminals don't need to steal firearms. Organised Crime Groups have easy access to firearms from Europe. FFS, grenades have been used by OCG's on the British mainland. Two policewomen were lured into an ambush by a psycho and murdered with a grenade and a Glock handgun.

If you outlaw guns, only the outlaws have guns.

Lmfao almost no one has guns over here even the criminals! The incident you’ve noted (dale cregan) happened 12 years ago. Has there been any incident like that since - no

You sound like a terrified curtain twitcher, too scared to leave his house. And unless your involved in organised crime or street gangs, you will probably never come across gun violence in this country. And even then it’s unlikely.
 
- I disagree. Logically having a gun makes ease to comite suicide. But now that society is sick, the suicider will alkways find a way to kill himself! A more pertinent question is how they got to that point of so many suicides in america. We have plenty of illegal guns here too

That's not really the case though, from what I've read from people like Malcom gladwell.

Removing the easiest and most available method of suicide does seem in fact to reduce the overall suicide rate. I understand your position, that if someone wants to kill ybemselves, they will do so with whatever method is available, but there's a other side to yhe coin.

What about people who are only momentarily in crisis and will recover from their suicidal urges if they aren't succesful in killing themselves when they feel like doing so? Obviously removing guns from easy grasp by these people would reduce how many of them kill themselves.

And in fact, maybe that's even more reason to consider strongly limiting gun availability. Maybe you can tbink of people who are suicidal as belonging to one of two groups- committed, long term suicidal people who will find a way to kill themselves, abd short term people in crisis whose desire for suicide is transient. Think of moody, depressed teenagers or people who have just been dumped who can't see things improving because they're so stuck in their current mindstate. I'd say it's pretty obvious how removing easily available guns would do a long way towards preventing these kinds of people from killing themselves before they recover from their impermanent crisis state.
 
One thing I haven’t seen discussed much in these 2A threads is a discipline called corpus linguistics, so I’d like to drop a post in about that.

Newly created databases now offer us thousands of historical, colonial-era texts, and the ability to quickly search them for phrases so that we could learn their original meaning and context.

This database was not available in 2007, as the SCOTUS prepared to hear DC v Heller, but the historian Saul Cornell was still able to find more than 100 colonial-era examples of the phrase “bear arms,” with 96% of them relating to militia service specifically. And yet, the Court brushed that aside, and Antonin Scalia defined “bear arms” merely as carrying a weapon.

But now, we have databases like COFEA (the Corpus of Founding Era American English), and COEME (the Corpus of Early Modern English).
A search of them found 900 colonial-era examples of the phrase “bear arms,” and nearly all 900 related to an organized military/militia context. Only 7 of them were either ambiguous or carried no military context.

Those databases only have the phrase “keep arms” in a relevant context 26 times—and 25 out of 26 times refer to militia or military context (the one that doesn’t, is ambiguous).

While it’s not quite case closed yet, the evidence is becoming overwhelming:
the SCOTUS’s interpretation of the 2A in Heller and the cases that followed it, is grievously wrong.

 
Imagine coming at the problem from another angle. Like what if Washington said we need to do something about this but banning guns and messing with the second is off the table....do you think they could come up with anything ? Biden says you may pass any social programs you want , you can create new tax brackets , you can try any solution you want but the trade off is that the nfa is null and void ...do you think its possible you could find some solutions?


When it comes to dead kids I find it tragic and I want to do something too...I just don't want to do the only solution that is being presented
I dont know.

Doesnt seem like in the US solutions are really offered, its just a polarizing issue people see as binary.

It would appear most developed countries, even with guns have figured something out.

Everytime a bunch of kids gets mass executed in the US the response is overwhelmingly, "Nows not the time. Thoughts and prayers"
 
There’s no evidence because there’s no appetite for it, as you’ve already been told by other UK posters. I’m ex Forces, so have used and been around firearms. I’ve never met one person that really cared 2 shits about gun ownership in the UK. It’s a non issue
And now you can't hurt people's feelings on the internet. See the correlation?
 
Per the FBI, a majority of our murder suspects come from roughly 6.8% of the population.
Per GVA and MST, a majority of our mass shooting suspects come from the same roughly 6.8% of the population.

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