Law Gun Control: A Global Overview

KnightTemplar said:
And it's happened since then: Derek Bird in 2010, for example. There always were and always will be outliers. Draconian gunlaws didn't stop the psychos. It only punished the innocent.

But politicians would always prefer to treat the symptom rather than the disease. :rolleyes:
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Eh, they're a tool you don't need where the potential pros of legalising them over here get outweighed by the cons.

I have no issue with people using them for hunting etc, but they should be kept at a registered place and ideally every gun should have a tracker.
 
DoctorTaco said:
Not a smart ass remark, I’m genuinely curious- where should we draw the line with what weapons private citizens can own? Forget the AR (yes, I know not an assault rifle) and let’s discuss actual fully auto assault rifles. Cool? Compact and sub-compact machine guns ok? How big of caliber can I own before it’s a problem or I’d need a permit. Grenades? Crazy as that sounds you think about how many rounds a lot of the gravy seal types carry in their spare mags they are looking at prolonged exchanges so why not? Or maybe just flash bangs? Anti-tank rounds?
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I actually sort of answered this a few posts ago. I said that I wanted to trade the nfa for a liberal wish list of social programs as I think the cure to gun violence isn't removal of guns it's a healthy populace with hope for a future and a sense of community and purpose.

Seeing as I think the constitution says the people should have the means to militia up at a minutes notice in case shit happens I don't have a problem with all that other stuff too other than if you are going to keep explosives on hand they need to be stored in a way you can't blow up half the damn neighborhood if you have an accident. I think community militia training on the regular would also be a good idea. Keeps people involved in their community and know their neighbors as well as being able to handle your weapons and if you are having problems your community might be more aware and get you some help.

How many rounds should a person carry on them ? I carry 30 on the regular. 1 in and 2 spares. I do get kitted up for class with a full carrier loaded with all kinds of goodies on it but that's not my edc set up that's just for training or a catastrophic event.
 
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fingercuffs said:
With no background checks, cooling off periods, everyone that's been inside for violent crimes, domestic abuse etc. Hurrah.
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If I have 57 guns how many back ground checks do I need ? Also if I have a whole closet full of weapons do I still have to go through a cooling off period? If a person has several weapons and no record for years have they not already proved themselves to be safe ?


honestly I would rather guns be an absolute free for all than anything resemble where you come from and since the goal is always mission creep my answer to most gun restrictions is no. Not because I think they are a bad idesa there are things I agree with but because I think it's in bad faith and the end goal is always the removal of guns entirely. You give an inch and then you will be asked for another and another.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
Eh, they're a tool you don't need where the potential pros of legalising them over here get outweighed by the cons.

I have no issue with people using them for hunting etc, but they should be kept at a registered place and ideally every gun should have a tracker.
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Hunting? you think that's what the founders of this country were concerned about?

There's a long history of registration being used as a tool for rouge governments to confiscate guns, trackers would make that even worse.

There are some gun control measures that would reduce gun crime and suicide that don't significantly affect the peoples ability for armed defense, they are:

1) Government support and promotion of biometric lock technology, allowing people to affordably buy guns that ONLY they can use would drastically reduce the chances of that gun being used in a crime or suicide.
2) Raise the age to buy or possess guns or ammo to 25, based on brain science and the fact that the male brain is pretty fucked up and unbalanced until that age.
3) Ban handguns and SBR's outright -- there's no need to conceal a weapon that's being used for 2A purposes--not "militia" on earth relies on handguns for defense.
4) Heavily restrict the resale of guns, replacing them with gun buy-backs so older weapons can be destroyed in order to reduce the glut of guns in society.
 
djacobox372 said:
Hunting? you think that's what the founders of this country were concerned about?

There's a long history of registration being used as a tool for rouge governments to confiscate guns, trackers would make that even worse.

There are some gun control measures that would reduce gun crime and suicide that don't significantly affect the peoples ability for armed defense, they are:

1) Government support and promotion of biometric lock technology, allowing people to affordably buy guns that ONLY they can use would drastically reduce the chances of that gun being used in a crime or suicide.
2) Raise the age to buy or possess guns or ammo to 25, based on brain science and the fact that the male brain is pretty fucked up and unbalanced until that age.
3) Ban handguns and SBR's outright -- there's no need to conceal a weapon that's being used for 2A purposes--not "militia" on earth relies on handguns for defense.
4) Heavily restrict the resale of guns, replacing them with gun buy-backs so older weapons can be destroyed in order to reduce the glut of guns in society.
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I'm talking about the UK dude.
 
Gutter Chris said:
If I have 57 guns how many back ground checks do I need ? Also if I have a whole closet full of weapons do I still have to go through a cooling off period? If a person has several weapons and no record for years have they not already proved themselves to be safe ?


honestly I would rather guns be an absolute free for all than anything resemble where you come from and since the goal is always mission creep my answer to most gun restrictions is no. Not because I think they are a bad idesa there are things I agree with but because I think it's in bad faith and the end goal is always the removal of guns entirely. You give an inch and then you will be asked for another and another.
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fingercuffs: "We need to ban weapons of war!"
me: "What's that?"
fingercuffs: "STOP PLAYING DUMB!!!"
 
nhbbear said:
Buddy of my brother was nypd and cut slashed by a carpet knife in the neck and cut tendons. He can’t turn his neck and had to retire. His partner shot the guy but he lived and at trial, all his gang buddies tried to intimidate them. It was a hideous wound.

I would not want to go against someone that knows how to fight with a knife, but someone with a gun scares me a bit more because they don’t have to get close. In close, I have a chance and I have fought knife wielding suspects before
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- When i was a teen, a guy that worked as a security was stabed pretty close to his ball-sack!
 
PG29 red0 Jr said:
There are tons of crazy restrictions.

The last gun I purchased was an all brass Henry lever rifle (think late 1800's era).

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I ordered the gun, and it took like 16 months until it was ready to pickup.

When I picked it up, I couldn't buy ammo at the same time as I was picking up the gun..........WTF
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- Do they make western stile replicas? I would like a no working one. Love westerns!
 
My Spot said:
fingercuffs: "We need to ban weapons of war!"
me: "What's that?"
fingercuffs: "STOP PLAYING DUMB!!!"
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She doesn't really seem to like to talk about guns with us. My fave is she shot some static targets a few times and did pretty good so she thinks if you had to do it for real it would be like that. You don't need more than a couple rounds just do some target practice! Like an actual threat is going to stand still and your heart rate and adrenalin aren't even going to be an issue at all.
 
Gutter Chris said:
It would seriously make my day if I was out and about and someone gave me a copy of the constitution. All I ever get are pamphlets for jahova
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Right, who does that?! Me, lol.

Gutter Chris said:
And that right there is the number one reason I will not vote for her. I am tired of hearing about assault weapon bans and what they think I need or don't need. Shits a deal breaker for me. I wish they would try to do something else to "improve" society instead.

As far as the second goes I'm pretty glad for the current court we have. It will make it hard to do anything crazy for the time being.

It's weird to me to campaign on taking people's rights away.
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Gutter Chris said:
honestly I would rather guns be an absolute free for all than anything resemble where you come from and since the goal is always mission creep my answer to most gun restrictions is no. Not because I think they are a bad idesa there are things I agree with but because I think it's in bad faith and the end goal is always the removal of guns entirely. You give an inch and then you will be asked for another and another.
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I actually don't think they're necessarily bad, either. But since things tend to go from "common sense" to "repeal the 2nd" in the blink of an eye with people and politicians wanting to play games, we're going to take as many high court wins as possible and just simply operate on the unapologetic position that all gun laws are unconstitutional as the base starting point. I'm honestly no less concerned about infringements and curtailment of the 1st these days, which protects an entire bag of rights as opposed to just one.

Madison's original draft of the 1A proposed to Congress:

“The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext infringed. The people shall not be deprived or abridged of their right to speak, to write, or to publish their sentiments; and the freedom of the press, as one of the great bulwarks of liberty, shall be inviolable. The people shall not be restrained from peaceably assembling and consulting for their common good; nor from applying to the legislature by petitions, or remonstrances for redress of their grievances.”

The importance of the 4A also can't be overstated:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Or Section 1 of the 14A. This is one that Madison anticipated and wanted from the jump: for the Bill of Rights to be incorporated and binding to the states.

...No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
 
Rob Battisti said:
While I agree that it’s poorly written, and that Madison should have gotten his first language in, to say it’s only for militias is wild. If you take that line of thought, you could remove all private ownership.
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Madison's original language and ideas are almost always preferable, but he had to compromise with dozens of delegates who were frankly way below his station and skill level.
 
djacobox372 said:
Hunting? you think that's what the founders of this country were concerned about?

There's a long history of registration being used as a tool for rouge governments to confiscate guns, trackers would make that even worse.
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- That's the part that irks me. I dont care if they fantasize of getting in a shootout with the army. But let my animals alone!
 
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