Law Gun Control: A Global Overview

[Hellowhosthat]

I'm saying it wouldn't make a significant difference. The vast majority of people who want to own guns would use them for lawful purposes. The criminals don't need legal firearms. Indeed, they'd prefer illegal weapons because they are more difficult to trace.

I think the problem is the more guns are in circulation the easier it is for them to get into the wrong hands. If there's a gun in a home and there's a burglary there's a good chance the gun gets stolen.

 

[oldshadow]

Who’s guns should we take first?

The only ones they can. The legal gun owners after all the gun violence is their fault not the criminals. We can't hold them responsible and make the laws on the books already so tough any criminal would think long and hard before they picked up one.

 

[oldshadow]

I think the problem is the more guns are in circulation the easier it is for them to get into the wrong hands. If there's a gun in a home and there's a burglary there's a good chance the gun gets stolen.

That's not where criminals get most of their guns. Straw purchase is the biggest I believe.

frontline: hot guns: "How Criminals Get Guns" | PBS

 

[Domitian]

Getting rid of guns in America is nigh impossible at this point. I bet if I tried I could buy 10 guns off the street within a day if I wanted too.

 

[Err]

You’re right. Strict gun laws aren’t working. Better start physically getting guns off the streets and making them harder to purchase.

You drive a hard point but I can see the logic

This is a really good idea. Police should be out in full force making sure these guns are taken off the street. They can call it Stop and Frisk.

 

[Deorum]

Tbf I don't think most Europeans have strong opinions on guns in America beyond school shooter jokes.

People are in this thread because it's labelled as around the world.

It's all good in any case, man. I started this thread as a subtopic so that my primary SCOTUS thread wouldn't become dominated by 2A discussion and thought, "Why not just extend it to the entire world?". Build it, and the people will come -- the replies in here have already exceeded the primary, lol. I've always appreciated the fact that you acknowledge the reality of the cultural differences between our countries. You don't advocate for gun control in the US, and I don't say delusional shit about how "unsafe" the UK is while I'm sat in the land of 393 million guns.

 

[ermac88]

I'm saying it wouldn't make a significant difference. The vast majority of people who want to own guns would use them for lawful purposes. The criminals don't need legal firearms. Indeed, they'd prefer illegal weapons because they are more difficult to trace.

I have no idea what you are trying to say at this point.

 

[ermac88]

If murder rate is dominated by knives and other means, then people who have guns can protect against those types of murders, no? Murders go down and self-defense killings go up…

Or is it your opinion that there’s a lot of people waiting to murder under the right circumstances (ie when they can get access to a gun)?

How well is that working in the US?



In ALL of the UK in 2023 there were 244 murders with knives
Same year in the US there were 1,630 murders with knives and 14k gun deaths in the US

 

[ermac88]

I think the problem is the more guns are in circulation the easier it is for them to get into the wrong hands. If there's a gun in a home and there's a burglary there's a good chance the gun gets stolen.

I think most people neglect its hardly just "the bad guys" the phantom boogie men.

Its the drunks, the abusers, the physically/mentally weak, the morons, the idiots, emotionally unstable, the generally stupid people that easily make up 30% of the population.

You give the means to take a live with an index finger they are threats to human life and society.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Seems like tasers fail more often than they work. They'd probably be completely useless in any cold weather area due to people wearing layers. However, when they do work it's pretty funny.

- Tasers failure rate is pretty high, like 80 percent. Trying to launch a hadooken has a bigger chance of working than a taser!

 

[Rob Battisti]

How well is that working in the US?



In ALL of the UK in 2023 there were 244 murders with knives
Same year in the US there were 1,630 murders with knives and 14k gun deaths in the US

Remove suicides

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Remove suicides

Nah, it's kinda critical.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Believe it or not, the Europeans are smart enough to see children getting gunned down in US schools on a weekly basis and are like "yea, that's a no for me dawg"

- Theres has to be another reason for so many school shootings in USA.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Nah, it's kinda critical.

It’s disingenuous

 

[Deleted member 585708]

It’s disingenuous

No, guns have to be part of the reason there are so many successful suicides in the US.

Many of these are lives that could be saved.

Suicide rates, particularly among men, are inexcusably high.

 

[Rob Battisti]

No, guns have to be part of the reason there are so many successful suicides in the US.

Many of these are lives that could be saved.

Suicide rates, particularly among men, are inexcusably high.

No. It’s disingenuous.

To make the argument that I can’t have guns because another person is suicidal is disingenuous.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

No. It’s disingenuous.

To make the argument that I can’t have guns because another person is suicidal is disingenuous.

Not at all.

Any argument that lives are being wasted unnecessarily is a good one.

The only argument against is the only one there has ever been: "I like guns".

That's it. That's the lot. If that's your argument, that's your argument, but it's not the best.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

I understand this delusion that if you had more guns you’d have a foothold against some tyrannical government. I understand it because a lot of people here have that same delusion. But as a lifelong resident of a country with nearly 400 million guns in circulation, I can assure you that isn’t the reality.

- It would. If said weapons were the Green Lantern rings, the power sword, power-rangers morphers or the Sword of Omens!

 

[LeonardoBjj]

No, guns have to be part of the reason there are so many successful suicides in the US.

Many of these are lives that could be saved.

Suicide rates, particularly among men, are inexcusably high.

- I disagree. Logically having a gun makes ease to comite suicide. But now that society is sick, the suicider will alkways find a way to kill himself! A more pertinent question is how they got to that point of so many suicides in america. We have plenty of illegal guns here too

 

[Cid]

Would be interesting to have this discussion in a reality where the shooter was accurate and Trumps head exploded like a watermelon hit with a sledge hammer.


Because that's the 2nd amendment to prevent a tyrannical government in the real world.

One of the 333 million Americans decides that shooting a politician is just and successfully murders one or more.


The whole militia thing in one of the most politically hyper-partisan countries in the world. Where you overthrow your tyrannical government with your guns, join hands across the country and sing "Kumbaya, My Lord" afterwards?

Just not seeing it.

Not ruling out the possibility entirely.


But I doubt it ever happens.



Conversely the lone nutter with a gun is already substantially more prevalent and political violence by these lone individuals is increasing not just in America but globally.

It's going to get worse before it gets better.