Law Gun Control: A Global Overview

[Deleted member 585708]

- I disagree. Logically having a gun makes ease to comite suicide. But now that society is sick, the suicider will alkways find a way to kill himself! A more pertinent question is how they got to that point of so many suicides in america. We have plenty of illegal guns here too

The idea that everyone who commits suicide is hell bent on suicide is a myth.

It's a very convenient myth when discussing a change of law that you don't want to happen.

Depending on what source you use, slightly more than or slightly less than half of suicides are impulsive. In America, that can be as high as 80 % - according to the New England Journal of Medicine - and 90 % who survive suicide attempts don't then kill themselves later.

Now, yes, they're going to get more help (you'd hope) once they've tried to kill themselves, that's true, but if 90 % don't go through with it at a later date... then no, they weren't perennially seeking a way out via suicide.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Not at all.

Any argument that lives are being wasted unnecessarily is a good one.

The only argument against is the only one there has ever been: "I like guns".

That's it. That's the lot. If that's your argument, that's your argument, but it's not the best.

It’s not my argument. You can make a good argument guns make suicide easier. That not a good reason to disarm non-suicidal people.

 

[Poon Goon]

The only argument against is the only one there has ever been: "I like guns".

That's it. That's the lot. If that's your argument, that's your argument, but it's not the best.

"I like guns" is a pretty strong argument, but it is not the only argument. For instance, "I like not having to wait on the police to show up to handle someone who has broken into my house" is another good one. For some people "I like being able to hunt and not rely on others for food" is an argument as well.

That guy from Turkey could argue that he likes that he can now get pussy non stop for the rest of his life for being a badass.

 

[Rob Battisti]

- I disagree. Logically having a gun makes ease to comite suicide. But now that society is sick, the suicider will alkways find a way to kill himself! A more pertinent question is how they got to that point of so many suicides in america. We have plenty of illegal guns here too

Yeah I discount anyone who argues against guns because of suicides but also holds the position that it’s racist to secure the border when 100k people overdose on fentanyl

 

[Rob Battisti]

"I like guns" is a pretty strong argument, but it is not the only argument. For instance, "I like not having to wait on the police to show up to handle someone who has broken into my house" is another good one. For some people "I like being able to hunt and not rely on others for food" is an argument as well.

That guy from Turkey could argue that he likes that he can now get pussy non stop for the rest of his life for being a badass.

LOL well said

 

[djacobox372]

Not at all.

Any argument that lives are being wasted unnecessarily is a good one.

The only argument against is the only one there has ever been: "I like guns".

That's it. That's the lot. If that's your argument, that's your argument, but it's not the best.

I hate guns, but I would never suggest that a society give up the right to defend itself.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

"I like guns" is a pretty strong argument, but it is not the only argument. For instance, "I like not having to wait on the police to show up to handle someone who has broken into my house" is another good one. For some people "I like being able to hunt and not rely on others for food" is an argument as well.

That guy from Turkey could argue that he likes that he can now get pussy non stop for the rest of his life for being a badass.

I don't really have any issues with firearms for hunting, to be honest.

I'm not sure you'd ever need the range of firearms that are available for such purposes, though.

And put it this way, I'd much rather have a home invasion in a country that has banned guns than one that allows random strangers to carry them. But if I did live in a country where guns were legal, I'd naturally be part of the (frankly avoidable) arms race.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Yeah I discount anyone who argues against guns because of suicides but also holds the position that it’s racist to secure the border when 100k people overdose on fentanyl

I don't think it's racist to secure the border or control migration, I just think it's racist to blame society's problems on immigrants.

Which is what a large number of very, very lazy commentators opt to argue.

 

[Poon Goon]

And put it this way, I'd much rather have a home invasion in a country that has banned guns than one that allows random strangers to carry them. But if I did live in a country where guns were legal, I'd naturally be part of the (frankly avoidable) arms race.

Anyone out there committing home invasions is already a criminal so they probably don't give a shit if the government allows people to have them. Either way, in a situation like that I don't want to test my knife fighting, sword fighting, or fist fighting skills. I want to end the threat as soon as possible.

 

[Deorum]

It’s not my argument. You can make a good argument guns make suicide easier. That not a good reason to disarm non-suicidal people.

"I like guns" is a pretty strong argument, but it is not the only argument. For instance, "I like not having to wait on the police to show up to handle someone who has broken into my house" is another good one. For some people "I like being able to hunt and not rely on others for food" is an argument as well.

That guy from Turkey could argue that he likes that he can now get pussy non stop for the rest of his life for being a badass.

The argument: You're an American citizen, and it's an explicitly enumerated constitutional right. That's it. If people disagree, there's a mechanism to amend it. On purely philosophical grounds, it's difficult to think of many natural human rights that would rank above self-defense. Firearms are the most effective means exercising that right, the greatest equalizer innovated by humanity to date.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Anyone out there committing home invasions is already a criminal so they probably don't give a shit if the government allows people to have them. Either way, in a situation like that I don't want to test my knife fighting, sword fighting, or fist fighting skills. I want to end the threat as soon as possible.

There's the other point, that I'm not really going to attempt to prove because I wouldn't know how to do so statistically speaking, but if a criminal has a gun, they're probably going to be more brazen than if they have a knife or something else.

I'm much safer if a dingus with a knife enters my home. And they're just not very likely to be equipped with a firearm if they're not legal even if they can be obtained somehow.

 

[DoctorTaco]

This is a really good idea. Police should be out in full force making sure these guns are taken off the street. They can call it Stop and Frisk.

Throw in some probable cause and you have a great idea

 

[DoctorTaco]

Who’s guns should we take first?

People who let their t-shirt hang out the bottom of their sweatshirt

 

[DoctorTaco]

Always my thought, seems like that can't/won't be done.

It would really take a huge shift in culture for anything like that to even potentially happen and I honestly doubt it will.

We fucking love guns. First person shooters Are wildly popular in the video game world, everybody (myself included) loves watching John Wick Kill the bad guys with sweet gun-fu, we give our kids realistic replicas that shoot water or plastic ammo. I can’t imagine the gun culture in the states ever swinging the other way, but who knows.

 

[Gutter Chris]

Not at all.

Any argument that lives are being wasted unnecessarily is a good one.

The only argument against is the only one there has ever been: "I like guns".

That's it. That's the lot. If that's your argument, that's your argument, but it's not the best.

It's not

My rights and freedoms shouldn't be on the table because some asshole couldn't go on another day. It's sad and I'd love to help that guy in any other way but it's too big of an ask.

I'm totally for national Healthcare and mental help by the way and think it would help a great deal with violence and mental illness and its a lot more reasonable thing to do than take peoples rights away or make them into criminals with the stroke of a pen

 

[Deorum]

I hate guns, but I would never suggest that a society give up the right to defend itself.

A complete and full ban of all civilian owned firearms in the United States could be enacted through a constitutional amendment that directly repeals the 2nd if at least 290 House Reps, 67 Senators, and 38 State Legislatures saw fit to pass and ratify such a thing. The matter of actually following through and enforcing something like that would be an entirely different animal, though.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

It's not

My rights and freedoms shouldn't be on the table because some asshole couldn't go on another day. It's sad and I'd love to help that guy in any other way but it's too big of an ask.

I'm totally for national Healthcare and mental help by the way and think it would help a great deal with violence and mental illness and its a lot more reasonable thing to do than take peoples rights away or make them into criminals with the stroke of a pen

Suicides are part of the discussion, was my point.

I never said they were the sole reason someone might wish to outlaw guns.

The assertion by someone else earlier was they should just be ignored because they were disingenuous - read: incovenient.

No way they should be ignored. A death by a gun is a death by a gun and should be factored into any conversation, regardless of the outcome.

 

[Gutter Chris]

Suicides are part of the discussion, was my point.

I never said they were the sole reason someone might wish to outlaw guns.

The assertion by someone else earlier was they should just be ignored because they were disingenuous - read: incovenient.

No way they should be ignored. A death by a gun is a death by a gun and should be factored into any conversation, regardless of the outcome.

Suicide should count as it's own thing. No one can stop you from killing you but you. It insane to me to think that anyone should have to compromise their rights over something like that. That's a problem for overhauling our medical system not giving up one of our most important freedoms

And It's very misleading when you just show this huge number of gun deaths and misinformed people assume that means murder and that they are more dangerous than they are. Same thing with mass shootings . Most of those aren't some dude with an ar just blasting away and the amount of people who don't know that is staggering . There's a lot of lies hiding in the numbers .

 

[ermac88]

Remove suicides

Okay.
Let take your perspective "gun suicides are irrelevant"?
those lives dont actually count in any meaningful way.

21k deaths from murder. 2.6k children, but maybe they dont count as much either.

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

While the number of gun deaths in the U.S. fell for the second consecutive year in 2023, it remained among the highest annual totals on record.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Gutter Chris]

Okay.
Let take your perspective "gun suicides are irrelevant"?
those lives dont actually count in any meaningful way.

21k deaths from murder. 2.6k children, but maybe they dont count as much either.

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

While the number of gun deaths in the U.S. fell for the second consecutive year in 2023, it remained among the highest annual totals on record.

www.pewresearch.org

Imagine coming at the problem from another angle. Like what if Washington said we need to do something about this but banning guns and messing with the second is off the table....do you think they could come up with anything ? Biden says you may pass any social programs you want , you can create new tax brackets , you can try any solution you want but the trade off is that the nfa is null and void ...do you think its possible you could find some solutions?


When it comes to dead kids I find it tragic and I want to do something too...I just don't want to do the only solution that is being presented