Law Gun Control: A Global Overview

I love that it's our right to protect ourselves and our property with firearms here. If I had a background check and cooling off period to get a couple of kitties from a shelter last year, I believe the same should happen when buying a firearm.

There are tons of crazy restrictions.

The last gun I purchased was an all brass Henry lever rifle (think late 1800's era).

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I ordered the gun, and it took like 16 months until it was ready to pickup.

When I picked it up, I couldn't buy ammo at the same time as I was picking up the gun..........WTF
 
Why not? The government is grabbing more and more power and we had seen unbanking pressured by the government next door. Also Britan unbanked a famous politician. These things are unprecedented.
I just told you why.

Look, we’ve had some unprecedented things happen in my country too.
After 220 years of being a shining example to the world of how to peacefully transfer power, we had a POTUS try and hold on to power through corrupt and criminal means, and then when that failed, through violent means.

But thank God for the patriotic gun owners!

Just kidding. Most of them didn’t give a fuck or do anything, and those that did tended to support the corrupt POTUS <lol>
They did wonderful things like try and stop vote counts, some of them sat armed next to ballot drop boxes to try and harass and intimidate voters…
We have politicians right now trying to gain power specifically so they can force everyone to live under the laws of (their interpretation of) their religion, and the pro-gun Americans largely back those politicians too.

Our Constitution begins the words “We the People.” Despite a lot of gun owners saying those words, wearing t-shirts and hats with those words, and even having those words emblazoned on their vehicles, the truth is that the people they care about are themselves and their in-groups, for the most part. They sure didn’t give a fuck when politicians tried to invalidate my lawful vote in 2020 (along with more than 13 million other Americans). They sure aren’t standing up for oppressed minorities—in fact, they generally support the candidates doing the oppressing. And there’s some small faction of them that seem to threaten civil war every 5 minutes, and unfortunately if that ever happened the sheer number and types of weapons we have here would make sure it was horrifically bloody and tragic.

I understand this delusion that if you had more guns you’d have a foothold against some tyrannical government. I understand it because a lot of people here have that same delusion. But as a lifelong resident of a country with nearly 400 million guns in circulation, I can assure you that isn’t the reality.
 
I just told you why.

Look, we’ve had some unprecedented things happen in my country too.
After 220 years of being a shining example to the world of how to peacefully transfer power, we had a POTUS try and hold on to power through corrupt and criminal means, and then when that failed, through violent means.

But thank God for the patriotic gun owners!

Just kidding. Most of them didn’t give a fuck or do anything, and those that did tended to support the corrupt POTUS <lol>
They did wonderful things like try and stop vote counts, some of them sat armed next to ballot drop boxes to try and harass and intimidate voters…
We have politicians right now trying to gain power specifically so they can force everyone to live under the laws of (their interpretation of) their religion, and the pro-gun Americans largely back those politicians too.

Our Constitution begins the words “We the People.” Despite a lot of gun owners saying those words, wearing t-shirts and hats with those words, and even having those words emblazoned on their vehicles, the truth is that the people they care about are themselves and their in-groups, for the most part. They sure didn’t give a fuck when politicians tried to invalidate my lawful vote in 2020 (along with more than 13 million other Americans). They sure aren’t standing up for oppressed minorities—in fact, they generally support the candidates doing the oppressing. And there’s some small faction of them that seem to threaten civil war every 5 minutes, and unfortunately if that ever happened the sheer number and types of weapons we have here would make sure it was horrifically bloody and tragic.

I understand this delusion that if you had more guns you’d have a foothold against some tyrannical government. I understand it because a lot of people here have that same delusion. But as a lifelong resident of a country with nearly 400 million guns in circulation, I can assure you that isn’t the reality.
I still for the life of me cannot bring myself to see 1/6 as this insanely monumental act. If they brought in guns, took over and weren’t out within hours I’d be on your side. Takes this like just make me feel even less like it was a big deal because it seems so hyperbolic.

I don’t believe even for a second that the government and military would have just continued following Trump because of anything anyone would have done that day.
 
I still for the life of me cannot bring myself to see 1/6 as this insanely monumental act. If they brought in guns, took over and weren’t out within hours I’d be on your side. Takes this like just make me feel even less like it was a big deal because it seems so hyperbolic.

I don’t believe even for a second that the government and military would have just continued following Trump because of anything anyone would have done that day.
Solely in terms of threatening the peaceful transfer of power, the fake elector scheme was far worse than Jan 6 in my opinion. I continue to be saddened and amazed that Americans at large can’t be made to care about it.
Regardless, violently storming the Capitol—and 140 police officers were injured that day, so it was most certainly violent—to try and stop certification of an election so you can install your preferred candidate by force, is pretty monumental.

My point is: when Trump and company tried to throw 7 states’ slates of electors in the trash can (representing over 13 million lawful votes), did the gun owners rise up against this tyranny? Fuck no, anything but. They either did nothing, or tried to enable it.

I don’t know what would’ve happened if Pence had gone along with it.
I don’t know what would’ve happened if Trump hadn’t eventually relented. Hopefully the military wouldn’t go along with it—but then what? They square off against angry armed Trump supporters? We were very close to some serious shit; strangely, because Trump didn’t succeed, some people’s takeaway was that democracy here is invincible, rather than fragile. Can’t say I understand that at all.
 
140 police officers were injured that day
I’m certainly not trying to be a dick, but this still feels hyperbolic. What kind of injuries? This makes it seem like they were all physically assaulted, some with broken bones etc.
 
I’m certainly not trying to be a dick, but this still feels hyperbolic. What kind of injuries? This makes it seem like they were all physically assaulted, some with broken bones etc.
Correct, I am speaking of physical injuries.

“I have officers who were not issued helmets prior to the attack who have sustained head injuries,” Gus Papathanasiou, union chairman, said in a statement Wednesday. “One officer has two cracked ribs and two smashed spinal discs and another was stabbed with a metal fence stake, to name some of the injuries.”

“About 65 D.C. police officers also suffered injuries on Jan. 6, including several concussions from head blows from various objects, including metal poles ripped from inauguration-related scaffolding and even a pole with an American flag attached, D.C. police officials have said. Other injuries included swollen ankles and wrists, bruised arms and legs, and irritated lungs from bear and pepper spray.“

 
Am I? Highly doubt that.

It’s easy to check as long as you have a very basic level of maths. Don’t listen to your lying politicians, have a look for yourself. We have a knife problem but it still isn’t as bad as the US.

You are approximately 20% more likely to be stabbed to death in tje US than the UK, based on the respective pollutions (2022 figures)
 
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What books did you read on Madison?

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It's hilarious to me that the dude is considered by people to be merely one of the boys. You know, yeah, he's a founding father and one of the framers. Nah, he is The Framer and the man foremost responsible for constructing the national framework of the United States of America. It's not even close.

Am I? Highly doubt that.

The US is an inherently more dangerous place than the UK and pretty much any European country. American culture values individual liberty, and British culture places emphasis on collective safety. It is what it is. The fact this kind of point is repeatedly brought up by people reinforces the desire for comfort and reassuring security that they aren't like those monstrous Americans and our guns! And to that, I say, congratulations. You don't have to live here, and I don't want to live there. That's okay.

There are of course exceptions, but I generally don't find European 'concerns' about American gun violence to be genuine either (albeit difficult to discern tone from text on a screen), and nobody is forced to live or raise their families here -- any and every other country on this planet invariably has far more strict gun laws and regulations. It's also worth noting that the US constitutes an utterly enormous land mass - the UK is smaller than the state of Wyoming FFS - and so the murder rates by region, state, city (and demographic) are often drastically disproportionate. It crosses into taboo-discussion land but @My Spot would probably be happy to fill you in on that.
 
I shook my head a little when you talked about a child being shot “a couple of years ago.” In the US, gun violence is one of the leading causes for child mortality, every year. In 2020 and 2021, firearms contributed to the deaths of more children ages 1-17 years in the U.S. than any other type of injury or illness. In 2021, there were 2,571 child deaths (ages 1-17) due to firearms.

But we can’t make much headway, because of one group worried we’re going to “take all their guns away”—despite the fact that the 2nd Amendment exists, despite the fact that 44 states specifically have gun ownership written into their state constitutions, and despite the fact that we have 393 million fucking guns in this country (only about 6 million of which are registered, because apparently registries are terrible “infringements”).
You don’t want your country going down this road.

There's not a snowball's chance in hell America could impose European-style gun control. Guns were built into you nation's fabric from the very beginning.

To put it into perspective: if you could somehow stop any more guns being manufactured, and prevent anyone bringing more guns into the country, and if you could somehow take 1 million guns out of circulation per year - it would still take over three centuries just to get rid of the guns you currently have.
 
Like it or not, your country's politics are going to be influenced by ours lol.

We saw what happened to the UK as soon as Trumpian right wingers got power over there.

Trump's half-Scottish; I'm hoping he makes Scotland the 51st State if he wins in November. ;)
 
Well said!

And this is why almost no one in the UK wants a change to to gun laws. The fella you’re responding to is talking utter shit, and he knows it as well!

The phrase I heard multiple times after the stabbings was ‘thank fuck guns aren’t legal over here’! We don’t want 10s of thousands of people shot every year over here like in the states. Or our kids having to practice active shooter drills at school ffs. We had 26 firearms murders in all of 2022 in a country of 70m, and that’s too many

You must hang out with a right bunch of bleeding vaginas! <lol> <lmao>
 
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It's hilarious to me that the dude is considered by people to be merely one of the boys. You know, yeah, he's a founding father and one of the framers. Nah, he is The Framer and the man foremost responsible for constructing the national framework of the United States of America. It's not even close.



The US is an inherently more dangerous place than the UK and pretty much any European country. American culture values individual liberty, and British culture places emphasis on collective safety. It is what it is. The fact this kind of point is repeatedly brought up by people reinforces the desire for comfort and reassuring security that they aren't like those monstrous Americans and our guns! And to that, I say, congratulations. You don't have to live here, and I don't want to live there. That's okay.

There are of course exceptions, but I generally don't find European 'concerns' about American gun violence to be genuine either (albeit difficult to discern tone from text on a screen), and nobody is forced to live or raise their families here -- any and every other country on this planet invariably has far more strict gun laws and regulations. It's also worth noting that the US constitutes an utterly enormous land mass - the UK is smaller than the state of Wyoming FFS - and so the murder rates by region, state, city (and demographic) are often drastically disproportionate. It crosses into taboo-discussion land but @My Spot would probably be happy to fill you in on that.

Tbf I don't think most Europeans have strong opinions on guns in America beyond school shooter jokes.

People are in this thread because it's labelled as around the world.
 
There's not a snowball's chance in hell America could impose European-style gun control. Guns were built into you nation's fabric from the very beginning.

To put it into perspective: if you could somehow stop any more guns being manufactured, and prevent anyone bringing more guns into the country, and if you could somehow take 1 million guns out of circulation per year - it would still take over three centuries just to get rid of the guns you currently have.

You don’t have to tell me that, tell the people who won’t do anything except think and pray very time someone gets gunned down. Those people seem very concerned that all the guns might be taken away…
The problem is that there was also a whole range of gun regulations built into our nation’s framework that have been stripped away bit by bit over the past 20 years.


All of this is why I’m saying
You don’t want your country going down this road.
Plus I’d prefer Europe not to gun-crazy so I have more living options for when I retire, because I sure as fuck don’t want to retire here.
 
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