Law Gun Control: A Global Overview

[BFoe]

The two are not linked. I'm simply pointing out that removing guns from Britain did not remove violent crime. It simply changed the weapons used. Last night, a man had his right hand cut off with a machete in Scotland, and that's just one of many stabbings that occur every day of the week. So many young men are stabbed in London that the murders barely even make the news anymore.

It didn't even stop children being shot; a child was killed a couple of years ago in Liverpool when a hitman fired into a civilian's house that another gangster had ran into while being chased.

I shook my head a little when you talked about a child being shot “a couple of years ago.” In the US, gun violence is one of the leading causes for child mortality, every year. In 2020 and 2021, firearms contributed to the deaths of more children ages 1-17 years in the U.S. than any other type of injury or illness. In 2021, there were 2,571 child deaths (ages 1-17) due to firearms.

But we can’t make much headway, because of one group worried we’re going to “take all their guns away”—despite the fact that the 2nd Amendment exists, despite the fact that 44 states specifically have gun ownership written into their state constitutions, and despite the fact that we have 393 million fucking guns in this country (only about 6 million of which are registered, because apparently registries are terrible “infringements”).
You don’t want your country going down this road.

 

[Deorum]

Americans, fight like hell against anyone that wants to take your guns away.
I'm in Europe and we can't have shit. It's awful. And self defense laws here are a joke.
Once the guns are gone, it's an ever-growing spiral of taking things away from you until you're essentially a child at the mercy of the state.

I figured it was a lot more restrictive than the basic color coded maps put on. The desire to retain the 2A amongst we the people is strong, the new-gen gun rights legal movement is rabid as fuck, and the ultimate arbiter of constitutional law is more based than it has ever been (for now). The legislature is a perpetual threat, and the federal agencies have never not been a piece of shit.

You're more informed about American politics than most Americans. What do you think is the likelihood of seeing another Constitutional Amendment passed and ratified in our lifetime? As noted ITT, it could be used to repeal and strike down the 2A (see: 18th repealed by 21st). But at minimum, it's going to require the agreement and backing of 290 (out of 435) US Representatives, 67 (out of 100) US Senators, and 38 (out of 50) State Legislatures.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

You don’t want your country going down this road.

Why not? The government is grabbing more and more power and we had seen unbanking pressured by the government next door. Also Britan unbanked a famous politician. These things are unprecedented.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

You're more informed about American politics than most Americans. What do you think is the likelihood of seeing another Constitutional Amendment passed and ratified in our lifetime? As noted ITT, it could be used to repeal and strike down the 2A (see: 18th repealed by 21st). But at minimum, it's going to require the agreement and backing of 290 (out of 435) US Representatives, 67 (out of 100) US Senators, and 38 (out of 50) State Legislatures.

It all depends on how much the make-up of the country changes. A lot of newcomers seem to favor the nanny state, big government, more socialist policies - this all boils down to "more pliable to give up rights for gibs", less individualism, less of what made America what it is.
If that amendment comes, I will be a defining moment. America will be just another european country, which is what the people that built it moved away from.
Don't get me wrong, i love Europe, i'm very pro Europe, but the guns issue is something i completely disagree with.

There's no reason civilized people can't be armed. The "no guns" rules exist to protect, in theory, from acts only the bottom percentiles of the civilization actually do, and end up leaving the rest of the civilized people vulnerable to the acts of the bottom percentiles, who don't care about rules anyway.

 

[Deorum]

It all depends on how much the make-up of the country changes. A lot of newcomers seem to favor the nanny state, big government, more socialist policies - this all boils down to "more pliable to give up rights for gibs", less individualism, less of what made America what it is.
If that amendment comes, I will be a defining moment. America will be just another european country, which is what the people that built it moved away from.
Don't get me wrong, i love Europe, i'm very pro Europe, but the guns issue is something i completely disagree with. There's no reason civilized people can't be armed.

Kinda Bleak.

A couple of challenges to face with Zoomers is that they're an extra sensitive generation that puts mine (millennial) to shame on that front. They're not only even less patriotic as a whole - lot of these kids can't even afford housing right now so I get it to a degree - but seemingly a lot more likely to be in favor of curtailments on freedom of speech and infringements on the right to keep and bear arms. It's essential, perhaps now more than ever given the shit going on in the UK, that they understand not only the importance of why we cannot have "hate speech" laws (no matter how nasty, objectionable, and unpleasant the sentiments) but the fundamental difference of the US Constitution compared to the national charters of so-called contemporary western peers. They need to understand that our rights are inalienable and protected from the government, not granted (and subject to being stripped) by the government.

That’s the scariest thing. It’s a generation of people who grew up, for lack of a better analogy, never reading the “terms and conditions”. Pair that with a total disregard for teaching the enormity of the American experiment and soul sucking social media… well it’s not good.

They are apathetic and I don’t blame them. Soon our generation will be looked at as Boomers for wanting to curtail infringement on individual liberty as they TikTok dance their way to hell.

 

[shockaholic12]

While I agree that it’s poorly written, and that Madison should have gotten his first language in, to say it’s only for militias is wild. If you take that line of thought, you could remove all private ownership.

I would consider private owners part of a loose militia since part of ownership is the option of self defense in the absence of government or against government need be.

So you can’t remove private owners but since they encompass a militia, private ownership should be highly regulated. As it was in the century following the forming of the country

 

[Fedor>Cain]

It all depends on how much the make-up of the country changes. A lot of newcomers seem to favor the nanny state, big government, more socialist policies - this all boils down to "more pliable to give up rights for gibs", less individualism, less of what made America what it is.
If that amendment comes, I will be a defining moment. America will be just another european country, which is what the people that built it moved away from.
Don't get me wrong, i love Europe, i'm very pro Europe, but the guns issue is something i completely disagree with. There's no reason civilized people can't be armed.

The Republicans ARE the nanny state for everything besides guns lmao

1) Upload your driver's license so they can track your porn usage

2) infringing upon your rights to medical treatment

3) Big gubberment handouts to big business (both sides guilty here)

4) Still fighting against Marijuana

5) Teach the Bible in public classrooms

6) Scared to use the bathroom with a Tranny

7) Trying to financially harm Disney for being too "woke" lmfao

8) Just listen to JD Vance's weird ass talk about birthrates in a recent interview lol

9) In 2021, Utah passed legislation for content filters on cell phones lol

10) Book banning lmao

We could go on for days about this

 

[Fox by the Sea]

The Republicans ARE the nanny state for everything besides guns lmao

1) Upload your driver's license so they can track your porn usage

2) infringing upon your rights to medical treatment

3) Big gubberment handouts to big business (both sides guilty here)

4) Still fighting against Marijuana

5) Teach the Bible in public classrooms

6) Scared to use the bathroom with a Tranny

7) Trying to financially harm Disney for being too "woke" lmfao

8) Just listen to JD Vance's weird ass talk about birthrates in a recent interview lol

9) In 2021, Utah passed legislation for content filters on cell phones lol

10) Book banning lmao

We could go on for days about this

nice copy paste.

 

[Fedor>Cain]

nice copy paste.

Where did I copy/paste it from?

How do you feel about the Republican nanny state?

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Where did I copy/paste it from?

How do you feel about the Republican nanny state?

the fuck do i care? i'm european. i care about the european nanny state.

 

[Fedor>Cain]

the fuck do i care? i'm european. i care about the european nanny state.

Like it or not, your country's politics are going to be influenced by ours lol.

We saw what happened to the UK as soon as Trumpian right wingers got power over there.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Like it or not, your country's politics are going to be influenced by ours lol.

We saw what happened to the UK as soon as Trumpian right wingers got power over there.

no it won't. if it was, we'd have guns everywhere in europe. you severely overestimate america's influence in europe. we don't even like bigmacs and airjordans, which are like the major cultural achievements of america in the XXth century.

 

[Rob Battisti]

no it won't. if it was, we'd have guns everywhere in europe.

you wish!

 

[Fedor>Cain]

no it won't. if it was, we'd have guns everywhere in europe.

Believe it or not, the Europeans are smart enough to see children getting gunned down in US schools on a weekly basis and are like "yea, that's a no for me dawg"

 

[Fox by the Sea]

you wish!

i do, actually. as i said above, there's no reason civilized people shouldn't have guns.

 

[Deorum]

I would consider private owners part of a loose militia since part of ownership is the option of self defense in the absence of government or against government need be.

So you can’t remove private owners but since they encompass a militia, private ownership should be highly regulated. As it was in the century following the forming of the country

Yes. A militia is by definition composed of ordinary citizens. The part of the text that gun control advocates should be focused on isn't the militia clause, but the regulation aspect. Madison's OG draft is definitely superior to the revised final product, though.

 

[FIMN]

NYT for a start.

Source?

 

[Rob Battisti]

i do, actually. as i said above, there's no reason civilized people shouldn't have guns.

No, I meant that sincerely. No one should be denied the ability to defend themselves

 

[Rob Battisti]

Yes. A militia is by definition composed of ordinary citizens. The part of the text that gun control advocates should be focused on isn't the militia clause, but the regulation aspect. Madison's OG draft is definitely superior to the revised final product, though.

What books did you read on Madison?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

no it won't. if it was, we'd have guns everywhere in europe. you severely overestimate america's influence in europe. we don't even like bigmacs and airjordans, which are like the major cultural achievements of america in the XXth century.

Partial to a royale with cheese though.