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GrAPpLiNG iS fiGThINg bRO Ur a caSUAL

I have to agree the main event last night was a real stinker to watch and kind of tainted the otherwise amazing night. Wrestling without damage should not get you any points. Its no different than a BJJ person jumping guard and holding you there without submission attempts. Wow, you can control another body.....cool, now use that ability to fight.
Well, tbh i'm one of the few who also hates the reverse. When a great grappler is unable to strike and ends up like KRON GRACIEEEE
so disappointing, there's no excuse! But maybe also some fighters need to be more cautious about who they agree to fight. And if they can't make something work, maybe it just isn't their time, idk.
 
It's a method to open up offense. If people don't do anything with it, it's unrealized offense that shouldn't score.
It can be even worse than that. While it's not something that happens anywhere near most of the time, it's not uncommon for the fighter on top to gas themselves maintaining the position while eating strikes from the bottom. This was actually an issue in Schevchenko/Grasso I and is part of why Schevchenko got sloppy enough to give up her back like a novice.
 
This has become one of the most annoying fans of mma in recent memory. It's like we're supposed to dickride every fighter and if we find them to be boring then that automatically means we don't have the nuanced expertise and knowledge to understand what they're doing and how they're effective.. NO MOTHER FUCKER, THEY'RE JUST BORING!!

There's a big difference between a highly technical, and consequential grappler who can and will consistently grapple to advance position, get a sub, and punish you with ground n pound and a grappler like Merab who not only uses shear force and physicality with minimal technique, but also just holds on for as long as possible to score points.
We know what wrestling and grappling is, but you "mma experts" and "real fans" forgot what fighting is. That isn't fighting. And, when you aren't fighting, some fight fans might find you BORING.

Just want to make sure that distinction is clear. I love and appreciate grappling and dominant wrestlers. But real grapplers, who wanna finish the fight, not wet blankets. Merab can take Sean down 900 times and not get his back, what kinda grappler is that. FOH.

I don't like this
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Lol all that TLDR bullshit and then shows Khabib, it’s been 6 years and you’re still a butthurt Conor fan, get over it.
 
Merab landed like 200 strikes on o'malley. He wasn't just holding on to hold points. It wasn't the most thrilling, but the guy was working.
 
These type of guys are going to kill the sport and I bet they don’t even have a blue belt- yet pretend their fake interest in it makes them sophisticated and somehow more valuable as a fan.
No this is the avoidance of actual fighting.
As soon as Merab did actually engage in the 5th he was immediately hurt. I’m not sure how effective Merab would be if he had to fight in say…an open field
 
Who woulda thought Wall Sitting was the best base for MMA

Ultimate FenceShoving Championship
 
The thing is, these days fighters are good enough at defensive grappling that it's a lot harder to finish fights on the ground than it used to be. People are getting on Shevchenko for "fighting safe" or "panic wrestling" or "lay and pray" or whatever, but the fact is that she ended three rounds on Grasso's back and a fourth round in the mounted crucifix. She was TRYING to finish the fight, but Grasso was strong enough defensively that she wasn't able to.

O'Malley too. Just because he didn't roll over and give up his neck doesn't mean Merab wasn't trying to win on the ground. He was. But O'Malley was fighting too, which is why we didn't see a finish.
 
I'm not a Sean fan but I 100% agree with you
 
I don't remember reading positional dominance in the Unified Rules
Positional dominance is in the first tier as "effective grappling" for the people who know the rules and for even the people who don't know the rules, positional dominance falls under the third tier as "control."

Trying to act confused about it being covered in the rules is a farcical exercise
 
Positional dominance is in the first tier as "effective grappling" for the people who know the rules and for even the people who don't know the rules, positional dominance falls under the third tier as "control."

Trying to act confused about it being covered in the rules is a farcical exercise

I'm sorry I don't have all that memorized. <lol>
 
Who needs to "memorize" that dominating grappling is effective grappling? Shit, my guy, I'm pretty smart some times but "synonyms" ain't a post-grad class or anything.

*dominant positioning

And "effective grappling" is completely subjective just like the majority of the scoring criteria. 😇
 
Fighters that don't have finishing ability and just like to hug are the worst. Most fights are void of excitement if there's no real threat.
 
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