General MMA Discussion & Future Lines- 2020

[mkess101]

Daukaus @ -120 vs Lewis seems like a great play.

Big step up in competition for Chris, but Lewis is on the tail end of his career.

He just got paid a bag to fight in his hometown in a title fight. His motivation probably isn't there anymore, he owns so many cars and is so well off because of his activity, and plethora of POTN bonuses.

I think Chris is technically sounder on the feet, and if he can drag Lewis down, he'll have a huge advantage. Lewis always has a chance to KO him, but I think Daukaus is smart enough to create a gameplan around that.

I think Lewis got a HUGE payday when he fought DC for the title. Someone had pulled out and it was a NYC card. Lewis had steam because he was coming off the "My balls was hot" fight. I'm pretty sure he got like $2m or more to save that card. He's set as long as he's not a moron with his $.

Agree on the fight too. Daukus is far more technical, has faster hands, and probably cares a lot more at this point. Lewis isn't as durable as he used to be either. Or more accurately, he likely cares less and isn't gonna try as hard to fight through adversity.

Daukus near evens is the side, lime you said with the understanding that Lewis is capable of pulling a KO out of his ass against anyone.

 

[LEMONZEST]

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[Deleted member 510399]

So Edwards vs Khazmat is being targeted yet again.

Has anyone's mind changed in the last 6 months? I know a lot of people were on the Edwards side.

Personally Khazmat's last win did nothing to sway my view of this fight. If it's 5 rounds, I favor Leon. If it's 3, Khazmat.

 

[Kamais_Ookin]

So Edwards vs Khazmat is being targeted yet again.

Has anyone's mind changed in the last 6 months? I know a lot of people were on the Edwards side.

Personally Khazmat's last win did nothing to sway my view of this fight. If it's 5 rounds, I favor Leon. If it's 3, Khazmat.

I'd be very surprised if edwards took it, would require Dana to pay up which remains to be seen. Khabig already called out burns and belal in anticipation of edwards not accepting the fight.

 

[mkess101]

So Edwards vs Khazmat is being targeted yet again.

Has anyone's mind changed in the last 6 months? I know a lot of people were on the Edwards side.

Personally Khazmat's last win did nothing to sway my view of this fight. If it's 5 rounds, I favor Leon. If it's 3, Khazmat.

Honestly...I think I do favor Khazmat. He just seems to be something special. Edwards is a very good fighter, but he's not special imo. Khazmat is (and yes, that's just a "feeling" based on a small sample size of dominance with Jianlang being his best win).

I remember really similar things being said about Jon Jones when he was coming up through LHW and running through guys. People thought it was insane that he was favored over Shogun for the title when Jones best win was Bader (who was also a relatively unproven prospect at the time). Shogun was so much more proven and coming off a destruction of Machida. And then Jones just went in and made Shogun look like a child. It wasn't even fair.

Khazmat so far is just ragdolling everyone. Leon is absolutely a huge step up...but was anyone really inspired by his performance vs Nate? He did enough to win the early rounds of course but faded horribly and damn near got finished by Nate in the 5th round. I'm not so sure Leon's gas tank is such a huge weapon vs Khazmat.

 

[Deleted member 510399]

Honestly...I think I do favor Khazmat. He just seems to be something special. Edwards is a very good fighter, but he's not special imo. Khazmat is (and yes, that's just a "feeling" based on a small sample size of dominance with Jianlang being his best win).

I remember really similar things being said about Jon Jones when he was coming up through LHW and running through guys. People thought it was insane that he was favored over Shogun for the title when Jones best win was Bader (who was also a relatively unproven prospect at the time). Shogun was so much more proven and coming off a destruction of Machida. And then Jones just went in and made Shogun look like a child. It wasn't even fair.

Khazmat so far is just ragdolling everyone. Leon is absolutely a huge step up...but was anyone really inspired by his performance vs Nate? He did enough to win the early rounds of course but faded horribly and damn near got finished by Nate in the 5th round. I'm not so sure Leon's gas tank is such a huge weapon vs Khazmat.

Leon is just so incredibly well rounded. Endless cardio, very technical striker that mixes up kicks and uses his reach well. He has a nasty clinch game too.

I see Khazmat getting him down, but Leon making him work, and getting back up to the cage. We really have no idea how Khazmat's cardio is -- if he implements a grapple heavy approach, he could gas himself out. But in a 3 round fight, he could very well win 2/3 rounds.

In a five round fight, I think Leon takes over late. There's going to be a lot of recency bias factored into the line.

Last year when this fight was being made, Edwards was around +150. I bet he'll be +250 to +350 or so now.

Edwards is proven, Khazmat's best win is Leech, who was taken down at will by Jake Matthews. This would be a HUGE step up in competition for him.

If he beats Leon convincingly in a five round fight, I'm all aboard the train. But unlike Shavkat, I'm still not sold on Khazmat, despite his theatrics.

 

[mkess101]

Leon is just so incredibly well rounded. Endless cardio, very technical striker that mixes up kicks and uses his reach well. He has a nasty clinch game too.

I see Khazmat getting him down, but Leon making him work, and getting back up to the cage. We really have no idea how Khazmat's cardio is -- if he implements a grapple heavy approach, he could gas himself out. But in a 3 round fight, he could very well win 2/3 rounds.

In a five round fight, I think Leon takes over late. There's going to be a lot of recency bias factored into the line.

Last year when this fight was being made, Edwards was around +150. I bet he'll be +250 to +350 or so now.

Edwards is proven, Khazmat's best win is Leech, who was taken down at will by Jake Matthews. This would be a HUGE step up in competition for him.

If he beats Leon convincingly in a five round fight, I'm all aboard the train. But unlike Shavkat, I'm still not sold on Khazmat, despite his theatrics.

If Khazmat is -300, betting him would be absurd. I'd never argue otherwise. I'm just saying I favor him and think -150 seems **about** right.

Leon really didn't look amazing vs Nate at all. He definitely didn't show "endless cardio". He was exhausted and getting his ass kicked Rd 5, almost got finished. And that's by Nate, who really doesn't have much power at all.

Khazmat seems to just overwhelm guys so far, maybe that ends vs a big step up in competition like what Leon is. But...like Jones vs Shogun maybe it doesn't. Maybe he steamrolls him and finishes him early and it's more like Jones vs Shogun where everyone says "Okay...holy shit. This guy is different, he's special."

If you get Leon +250 to +350 then hell yeah take a shot. That wouldn't be justified on Khazmat yet. But it's absolutely possible that AFTER the fight we all are saying he looked like a -500 favorite.

 

[Deleted member 510399]

If Khazmat is -300, betting him would be absurd. I'd never argue otherwise. I'm just saying I favor him and think -150 seems **about** right.

Leon really didn't look amazing vs Nate at all. He definitely didn't show "endless cardio". He was exhausted and getting his ass kicked Rd 5, almost got finished. And that's by Nate, who really doesn't have much power at all.

Khazmat seems to just overwhelm guys so far, maybe that ends vs a big step up in competition like what Leon is. But...like Jones vs Shogun maybe it doesn't. Maybe he steamrolls him and finishes him early and it's more like Jones vs Shogun where everyone says "Okay...holy shit. This guy is different, he's special."

If you get Leon +250 to +350 then hell yeah take a shot. That wouldn't be justified on Khazmat yet. But it's absolutely possible that AFTER the fight we all are saying he looked like a -500 favorite.

Haha, I was right on the money. I said +250, edited my post and changed it to +250 to +350.

Leon opened @ +250 exactly.



And you're right, khazmat could look -600. If he does, I'll take the L, and not doubt him moving forward.

 

[Main_Card_MMA]

If Chimaev stays standing, I think he'll floor Edwards within 30 seconds. Edwards doesn't pose the same TKO threat as Jingliang so I wouldn't be surprised to see some boxing and a really fast finish. Chimaev's cardio will always be a question and we haven't seen his chin checked, but it's hard to see Edwards doing much except surviving long enough to tire him out. Hopefully he's had some stem cell treatments for his lungs.

 

[mkess101]

Haha, I was right on the money. I said +250, edited my post and changed it to +250 to +350.

Leon opened @ +250 exactly.



And you're right, khazmat could look -600. If he does, I'll take the L, and not doubt him moving forward.

Edwards +250 is worth a bet, and that's coming from a guy who thinks Khazmat likely wins impressively.

 

[FimbulFightPicks]

Haha, I was right on the money. I said +250, edited my post and changed it to +250 to +350.

Leon opened @ +250 exactly.



And you're right, khazmat could look -600. If he does, I'll take the L, and not doubt him moving forward.

This was line around -150 for Khamzat last time and nearly sharp and tout service I saw was on Leon Edwards. It seems forced, as its just because the whole narrative of a UFC vet vs someone who hasn´t faced anyone is a bet at dog odds. I think Khamzat would had finished Edwards. Seeing how fragile Edwards was vs Nate, even though he was tired, hard to see him survive vs Khamzat. And early on likely Khamzat would have a huge strength advantage to take it to the ground. Leon would have to have the best fight of his life in order to win that, as I don´t think he´d really hurt Khamzat, and it´d likely rely on Khamzat gassing for Edwards to win. Just not a good matchup for Edwards at all imo.

If only the fight had happened then -300 is not really osmething I´d want to play. ITD would be where I´d look.

 

[Captain Chesapeake]

Dan Ige is up to +210 vs Josh emmet

269 openers were the best lines I’ve seen in a while

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Not sure if anyone is interested but you can get DeAndre Anderson at +162 against Damon Blackshear on CFFC and Nikita Dipchikov at +175 against Chris Honeycutt on ACA, both on Betway. Played them both.

 

[Deleted member 510399]

I want to unload on Gane, but I expected Francis to be at least -140. The fact he's -115 is rather annoying.

The value is still there for me on Gane even @ evens, but my greed thought the public would be leaning more towards Francis.

 

[Deleted member 510399]

Sakai @ +100 may just be my biggest bet of the year.

Tai is not very talented. He got rocked by Hardy, and his toughness got him the win there.

Sakai hits harder than Hardy, and is overall just way better than anyone Tai has fought in the last few years.

Really surprised Sakai isn't -150 here. Sakai got KO'd by Rozenstruik, who is a much higher caliber opponent than anyone Tai has fought in the UFC. So I guess it's recency bias on Sakai losing brutally, and Tai knocking out Hardy.

 

[DonQ94]

Sakai @ +100 may just be my biggest bet of the year.

Tai is not very talented. He got rocked by Hardy, and his toughness got him the win there.

Sakai hits harder than Hardy, and is overall just way better than anyone Tai has fought in the last few years.

Really surprised Sakai isn't -150 here. Sakai got KO'd by Rozenstruik, who is a much higher caliber opponent than anyone Tai has fought in the UFC. So I guess it's recency bias on Sakai losing brutally, and Tai knocking out Hardy.

I was surprised by that line as well. Sakai generally is a tough sob who has a much better mma game.

 

[Captain Chesapeake]

Sakai @ +100 may just be my biggest bet of the year.

Tai is not very talented. He got rocked by Hardy, and his toughness got him the win there.

Sakai hits harder than Hardy, and is overall just way better than anyone Tai has fought in the last few years.

Really surprised Sakai isn't -150 here. Sakai got KO'd by Rozenstruik, who is a much higher caliber opponent than anyone Tai has fought in the UFC. So I guess it's recency bias on Sakai losing brutally, and Tai knocking out Hardy.

He opened at +180. I had him at +160 before it got rescheduled

 

[DonQ94]

He opened at +180. I had him at +160 before it got rescheduled

Geez, that is one of the most absurd lines i've heard about this year.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Austen Lane is +550 to beat Juan Adams tonight. Adams is rightfully the favourite but Lane is a glass cannon and Adams got caught by Tafa, so I think there's greater than a 15% chance that he catches Adams.

 

[DonQ94]

Austen Lane is +550 to beat Juan Adams tonight. Adams is rightfully the favourite but Lane is a glass cannon and Adams got caught by Tafa, so I think there's greater than a 15% chance that he catches Adams.

Wasn't able to play it myself but great hit.