Gane owning Aspinall: "I'll see you in September, stop tripping"

Travis Alexander said:
Gane literally just obliterated Spivak in his last fight. Spivak is a Judo black belt and combat sambo practitioner and competitor. Gane stuffed every takedown attempt with ease. Gane got tapped by jones in his only submission loss of his career. No shame in losing to the Goat people let their hate of jones cloud their logical look at Ganes skills, guy is a beast.

Ngannou was the only other fighter to effectively beat Gane with a TD heavy gameplan but Ngannou is a fucking freak of nature. Let’s not forget that he just defeated Miocic by KO in a fight where he was able to do (what Olympian Cormier couldn’t) and dominate the wrestling exchanges against Stipe.
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Very solid point
 
Guys I don't see a way Tom wins vs Gane.. I get he's the next hype train and people think Gane is a bum all of a sudden.. Gane got taken down in a surprise round trying to out point and back away from striking with Francis I'm sure he was shocked Francis went for that.

And jbj is just far to far ahead in knowledge and skills for these non wrestling heavyweights of course he was gonna sub Gane in round 1.. not to mention he's the goat if Jon woulda kept it standing it might've looked more competitive..

Gane his style is tailor made to beat Tom.. and he has power.

And I gotta give the tdd and grappling to Gane the kicks and the striking also. There both fast Tom may have more power. But I don't see the dangerous shots landing on Gane. Tom has a little streak with his top win pav.. doesn't really say a lot pavs top win is lewis who we all know is an 1 trick pony with bad cardio.. and has a very predictable style..

Tom needs to beat Curtis blaydes who's the hw gatekeeper now first I think hel have a hard time there who all the other top 3 guys smoked like he was nothing some multiple times..

If blaydes and his terrible awful takedowns or attempts get Tom to the ground I don't think Tom gets up or many heavy weights in general..

Blaydes take downs are so bad they get him knocked clean out vs the top guys.
 
cburm said:
And jbj is just far to far ahead in knowledge and skills for these non wrestling heavyweights of course he was gonna sub Gane in round 1
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Are you aware that Gane was Jones' first submission win in 11 years? That before then he had been failing to finish guys like Anthony Smith and OSP?

cburm said:
Guys I don't see a way Tom wins vs Gane.. I get he's the next hype train and people think Gane is a bum all of a sudden.. Gane got taken down in a surprise round trying to out point and back away from striking with Francis I'm sure he was shocked Francis went for that.

And jbj is just far to far ahead in knowledge and skills for these non wrestling heavyweights of course he was gonna sub Gane in round 1.. not to mention he's the goat if Jon woulda kept it standing it might've looked more competitive..

Gane his style is tailor made to beat Tom.. and he has power.

And I gotta give the tdd and grappling to Gane the kicks and the striking also. There both fast Tom may have more power. But I don't see the dangerous shots landing on Gane. Tom has a little streak with his top win pav.. doesn't really say a lot pavs top win is lewis who we all know is an 1 trick pony with bad cardio.. and has a very predictable style..
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SuperAlly said:
Fair enough. I'd say given Tom is an actual mixed martial artist unlike many at HW, there's a clear and easy path to victory for Tom v Gane. Tom is an excellent HW grappler. Gane is an embarrassingly bad HW grappler. Gane does have the fancier striking, but his advantage here is quite small compared to Tom's astronomical advantage in the grappling. Plus, look at many examples where a grappler's striking is more effective in MMA than the strikers specialist striking because of the threat of takedown.

Tom just has to get close enough to Gane to get hands on and then it will be game over. Much like Jon v Gane.
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One peculiar thing about HWs is that they typically only have the gas tank for 3-4 good TD attempts. If Gane can survive those, he's going to be in a good position to handle the rest of what Aspinall has to offer. I favor Aspinall, don't get me wrong, but Gane is not a joke of a HW. I think it's absurd that many people see him that way, simply because he got steamrolled by Jones.
 
If you get subbed sitting on your ass against the cage by a gilly I could give two fucks what you say. Gane will never win a UFC title.
 
Morris88 said:
No one seems to talk about Tom's body just giving up on him against Blaydes... Do we not think that maybe he might end up being plagued/limited by injuries like Cain?
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If true, he’s also probably at his best during fights at sea level. And tbf, Ronda could probably beat him under the right circumstances.
 
Gane would shit his pants when he realizes he's in there with a HW who can match his speed and mix up elite grappling on him too.
 
CPH said:
One peculiar thing about HWs is that they typically only have the gas tank for 3-4 good TD attempts. If Gane can survive those, he's going to be in a good position to handle the rest of what Aspinall has to offer. I favor Aspinall, don't get me wrong, but Gane is not a joke of a HW. I think it's absurd that many people see him that way, simply because he got steamrolled by Jones.
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I mean, I get the point about Jon Jones being Jon Jones.

But being steamrolled by Jon in 2023 is not the same thing as being steamrolled by prime Jones.

Who is the last guy Jones steamrolled before Gane?

Washed Gus? The same guy who was also stomped by a washed Werdum and Nikita Krylov. Even then, fairly dominant but hard to call that a steamrolling.

More likely that the last guy to truly get ran over by Jones prior to Ciryl was career middleweight Chael Sonnen in 2013. Thats 11 years ago.

Again, I get the argument that it shouldn't be embarrassing to lose to Jon Jones, but HW Jon is still a mystery.

Prior to Gane he'd been going life and death with the likes of Dominic Reyes and Thiago Santos. Limping over the finish line, and having lacklustre decisions against the Anthony Smiths and OSPs of the world.

Gane was Jones's 1st finish in 5 years and his only submission win for 11 years. Also the first guy he truly steamrolled in 11 years too.

Again, HW Jon might prove to be the best we've ever seen, but until we actually see that, Gane getting so easily swatted aside doesn't look good for him given Jon's prior results.
 
OldBoy91 said:
I mean, I get the point about Jon Jones being Jon Jones.

But being steamrolled by Jon in 2023 is not the same thing as being steamrolled by prime Jones.

Who is the last guy Jones steamrolled before Gane?

Washed Gus? The same guy who was also stomped by a washed Werdum and Nikita Krylov. Even then, fairly dominant but hard to call that a steamrolling.

More likely that the last guy to truly get ran over by Jones prior to Ciryl was career middleweight Chael Sonnen in 2013. Thats 11 years ago.

Again, I get the argument that it shouldn't be embarrassing to lose to Jon Jones, but HW Jon is still a mystery.

Prior to Gane he'd been going life and death with the likes of Dominic Reyes and Thiago Santos. Limping over the finish line, and having lacklustre decisions against the Anthony Smiths and OSPs of the world.

Gane was Jones's 1st finish in 5 years and his only submission win for 11 years. Also the first guy he truly steamrolled in 11 years too.

Again, HW Jon might prove to be the best we've ever seen, but until we actually see that, Gane getting so easily swatted aside doesn't look good for him given Jon's prior results.
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Everything you say about Jones is true. It actually sounds like me describing the latter years of Jones' LHW career. Thing is, for me, Gane's disastrous performance vs Jones is still just one fight. Despite his glaring weakness, he has cut deep into the HW division, without much trouble at all. That's because getting at his weakness has not been as easy as Jones made it seem. Again, I expect Aspinall to get the job done. My only point is that Gane is not some UFC fabricated mirage - in a division where everyone can end your night with a punch, he has gone 12-2. He beat Volkov, Spivak and Lewis (when he was on a 4 fight win streak), and he very nearly beat NGannou. His striking is a problem for everyone.
 
achoo42 said:
Yes, the dude who was controlled on the ground by Ngannou and subbed by Jones in a minute is going to somehow beat Tom Aspinall lmao.

Aspinall is taking him down and doing whatever the fuck he wants. It isn't even an interesting fight unless Aspinall decides to stand with him for 25 minutes, in which case I still favor the guy with knockout power.
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Mods please delete every post after this and lock the thread.
 
Can we stop saying any fighter "owned" (or similar language) another fighter unless you mean inside a cage? Social media, press conferences, interviews, etc. don't count.
 
cburm said:
Guys I don't see a way Tom wins vs Gane..
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Prepare to look stupid

He's clearly not just a hype train

He's the most well rounded HW fighter out there with a naturally huge, athletic frame and movement like a guy several weights lighter

If you think Aspinall is just hype, you've been watching his fights with your eyes closed

Good as Gane is in striking, this is MMA and Gane has some glaring holes in his MMA game. Tom does not.
 
CPH said:
One peculiar thing about HWs is that they typically only have the gas tank for 3-4 good TD attempts. If Gane can survive those, he's going to be in a good position to handle the rest of what Aspinall has to offer. I favor Aspinall, don't get me wrong, but Gane is not a joke of a HW. I think it's absurd that many people see him that way, simply because he got steamrolled by Jones.
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He's not that he is a joke

Its that Tom is that good. And it's delusional to pretend that Gane doesn't have a clear weakness in the grappling side of MMA. Tom also likely cancels out the physical/athletic advantages Gane enjoys over pretty much all other HWs
 
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