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Are you being deliberately obtuse, or do you genuinely not understand something this simple? The point in contention is whether the RTX 3000 series will have a pronounced effect on RTX 2080 and 2070 pricing in the next few months:

For that to happen, you need a supply. There is not an adequate supply to disrupt current pricing. Chiefly, this needs to be of the RTX 3000 series, but it also helps if there is a continued supply of RTX 2000 cards. NVIDIA ended production of the RTX 2000 series in June:
Report: NVIDIA Ends Production of GeForce RTX 20 Series GPUs

You just linked GTX 900 series cards in any condition on eBay. Nobody on eBay is an officially authorized reseller except stores like Newegg that also maintain a shop. Furthermore, "Used" condition GPUs do not compete with "New" GPUs; thus they have almost no impact on new GPU pricing. The fact there are still a tiny few GTX 900 series cards floating out there at ridiculously high prices only strengthens the point I'm imparting to you. I just gave you the link. In fact, the cheapest new GTX 960 from an authorized reseller is directly from MSI themselves on Amazon-- it's $300:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B011S6GUCQ?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1
*Edit* LOL, nope, not even that one. That's actually sold by "J-Tech Digital".

So how would that possibly have a positive impact on current GPU pricing such as RTX 2070s or 2080s? It's vastly inferior to the MSRP price/performance ratio of RTX 2000 series cards! Conversely, how would that present an example of new cards driving down the price of increasingly rare older GPUs still available?

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I was talking about used cards and Nvidia sold plenty of them so there is many of them still on the market used market sometimes people have them still in the original box as display units. This is the point I am making.
 
I would never buy one but there are more then a few GTX 970 used on Ebay.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...H_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=Nvidia+GTX+1070

They are actually still good gaming cards the GTX 970 good for a cheap sub 350 dollar gaming rig with an i7 such as using a Dell 9020 i7 mini tower that I have seen with 8 gigs go for under 100 dollars. That's not a bad cheap second gaming computer choice in some cases running at 3.5 ghz with over boost to 4.2 ghz. These are 4th gen i7 CPU's and requires a 15 dollar 24 pin to 8 pin adapter as well as a cheap "around 40 bucks used" 500 plus watt power supply. Upgrading ram can go all the way to 32 gigs and has Pci express 3rd generation.

I am pretty confided the GTX 970 can hold its own vs something like the GTX 1060.

The down side of a GTX970 is that it's 6 years old at this point. You can pick up an RX570 for the same price and they're only 3 years old.
Sandy Bridge Xeons have went up in value but compared to a 3770 they're half price and just a tiny bit slower. E3-1230's were going for $35 for awhile.
I run a E3-1230 with an RX570 and it will run a lot of stuff at 1080p 50fps. AMD needs a new low end refresh as well.
 
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Did you guys see the new Corsair 4000D Airflow that launched a few weeks ago? Looks like the new functional king in the sub-$100 space to me. There is also a variant without a window, a non-mesh variant, and apparently a more expensive iCUE variant. I'm only seeing a page for the Standard and Airflow right now.
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categ...ered-Glass-Mid-Tower-ATX-Case/p/CC-9011200-WW
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categ...ered-Glass-Mid-Tower-ATX-Case/p/CC-9011199-WW
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Kitguru hands on:


Reviews:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-4000x-4000d-airflow-review
https://www.kitguru.net/components/leo-waldock/corsair-4000d-airflow-review/
https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/chassis/145336-corsair-4000d-airflow/
  • $79.99 MSRP ($109.99 for iCUE)
  • Front Panel (topside) includes USB 3.2 Gen1 Type-C port
  • Metal mesh front (with secondary filter behind); mesh screen filter on top (easily removable for cleaning); meshworked expansion slot covers
  • Tinted Tempered Glass Panel
  • Up to 7 total fans
    -- Supports thinner 360mm AIO in the front
    -- 240mm/280mm on top (requires low-profile memory with 280mm)
    -- Hydro X Build Guide manual indicates simultaneous 280mm + 240mm configuration for heavy duty CPU+GPU liquid cooling setups
    -- CPU Air Coolers up to 170mm tall
  • Up to 9 expansion slots
  • 2 x 3.5" (along bottom) and 2 x 2.5" (backside)
  • PSU shroud with perforation on floor for breathing (includes protective removable filter)
  • Dedicated Cabling Corridor; tons of cable eyes, hooks, and passthrough orifices
  • Large convenient thumbscrews for the sides

Fuck me, this thing is sexy. For $80? The Fractal Meshify C just caught a Bugs Bunny metal backhand to the face. It better come back to earth with its pricing. No more of this $100-$110 shit I've been seeing for months.

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That is a nice case. I am still undecided which way I want to go. I prefer somethign compact so i can sit no the console behind my desk. I am tired of full size ATX cases and even move mATX are too big for my taste. I am leaning heavily towards a Corsair 280x right now with a custom water loop.
 
Did you guys see the new Corsair 4000D Airflow that launched a few weeks ago? Looks like the new functional king in the sub-$100 space to me. There is also a variant without a window, a non-mesh variant, and apparently a more expensive iCUE variant. I'm only seeing a page for the Standard and Airflow right now.
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categ...ered-Glass-Mid-Tower-ATX-Case/p/CC-9011200-WW
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categ...ered-Glass-Mid-Tower-ATX-Case/p/CC-9011199-WW
-base-4000d-airflow-config-Gallery-4000D-AF-BLACK-01.png_1200Wx1200H


Kitguru hands on:


Reviews:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-4000x-4000d-airflow-review
https://www.kitguru.net/components/leo-waldock/corsair-4000d-airflow-review/
https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/chassis/145336-corsair-4000d-airflow/
  • $79.99 MSRP ($109.99 for iCUE)
  • Front Panel (topside) includes USB 3.2 Gen1 Type-C port
  • Metal mesh front (with secondary filter behind); mesh screen filter on top (easily removable for cleaning); meshworked expansion slot covers
  • Tinted Tempered Glass Panel
  • Up to 7 total fans
    -- Supports thinner 360mm AIO in the front
    -- 240mm/280mm on top (requires low-profile memory with 280mm)
    -- Hydro X Build Guide manual indicates simultaneous 280mm + 240mm configuration for heavy duty CPU+GPU liquid cooling setups
  • CPU Air Coolers up to 170mm tall
  • Up to 9 expansion slots
  • 2 x 3.5" (along bottom) and 2 x 2.5" (backside)
  • PSU shroud with perforation on floor for breathing (includes protective removable filter)
  • Dedicated Cabling Corridor; tons of cable eyes, hooks, and passthrough orifices
  • Large convenient thumbscrews for the sides

Fuck me, this thing is sexy. For $80? The Fractal Meshify C just caught a Bugs Bunny metal backhand to the face. It better come back to earth with its pricing. No more of this $100-$110 shit I've been seeing for months.

-base-4000d-airflow-config-Gallery-4000D-AF-BLACK-38.png_1200Wx1200H

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Sub $100 cases I've really liked the Lian Li LanCool ll Mesh but they're hard to find. This looks to be a decent competitor. I'm not a fan of that random yellow tab on the top of the case, it looks out of place.
 
That is a nice case. I am still undecided which way I want to go. I prefer somethign compact so i can sit no the console behind my desk. I am tired of full size ATX cases and even move mATX are too big for my taste. I am leaning heavily towards a Corsair 280x right now with a custom water loop.
Let's see, the Corsair Crystal 280X is:
398mm x 276mm x 351mm (15.6" = max side)
38.6L volume (by dimensions-- may include feet)

Have you bookmarked this spreadsheet? It was last modified Jan-10-2019, so it's a bit out of date, but I don't have a better one bookmarked:


I assume you're after 240mm+ cooler support if you're thinking of a custom loop. Filtering the Q column you get these results:

Four acclaimed compact cases below $100 renowned for airflow and overall design that don't show up here, and support up to 280mm rads:
 
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Let's see, the Corsair Crystal 280X is:
398mm x 276mm x 351mm (15.6" = max side)
38.6L volume (by dimensions-- may include feet)

Have you bookmarked this spreadsheet? It was last modified Jan-10-2019, so it's a bit out of date, but I don't have a better one bookmarked:


I assume you're after 240mm+ cooler support if you're thinking of a custom loop. Filtering the Q column you get these results:

Four acclaimed cases below $100 renowned for airflow and overall design that don't show up here, and support up to 280mm rads:


Yeah I know the 280x is not as compact as some other, but i like the look. NCASE M1 is also on the table if I want to go air cooled. A lot of this hinges on what GPU I end up landing. I was going for an FE, but that may change based on availability in the next month or so. Also I didnt know about that spreadsheet. I will check it out. Thanks.

This guy makes some sweet builds which is starting to inspire me:



Also his 280x build which really caught my eye:

 
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@Madmick have you paid attention to the new Sennheiser PC38x's?
 
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Some rumors going around that MSI is scalping their own video cards.

 
Lisa just said Zen 3 now has the fastest single core threaded performance as well. 19% IPC improvement.
<{danawhoah}>


5600x 6/12 3.7/4.6 $299
5800x 8/16 3.8/4.7 $449
5900x 12/24 3.7/4.8 $549 Cinebench 631
5950x 16/32 4.9 boost $799 Cinebench 640

 
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449 though fuck. I’ll prob just get the i7-10700k.
 
Lisa just said Zen 3 now has the fastest single core threaded performance as well.

Ghz wise Intel is still higher.

Funny how the newer consoles havent even been released yet. Nvidia made their GPU selection dated and AMD CPU's are already 1ghz faster.
 
Been meaning to ask yall, what's the best way to OC your CPU? BIOS or should I go thru the Ryzen Master program ?

Ryzen 1700x is the cpu i have.
 
449 though fuck. I’ll prob just get the i7-10700k.
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and that big navi teaser was poorly done. 2.5 seconds of bl3? what? and still can't tell how it stacks up to nvidia since we don't know the specs/model of whatever gave those benchmarks. but that looked +/- 3080, from the 3 games. i mean, i know the big navi reveal is 10.28, but that was an awkward teaser.
 
Ghz wise Intel is still higher.

Funny how the newer consoles havent even been released yet. Nvidia made their GPU selection dated and AMD CPU's are already 1ghz faster.

Bulldozer will hit 5ghz as well but they won't comeute with newer cpu's.
IPC muh dude.
 
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Lisa just said Zen 3 now has the fastest single core threaded performance as well. 19% IPC improvement.
<{danawhoah}>


5600x 6/12 3.7/4.6 $299
5800x 8/16 3.8/4.7 $449
5900x 12/24 3.7/4.8 $549 Cinebench 631
5950x 16/32 4.9 boost $799 Cinebench 640


I will probably get the 5800x or 5900x
 
Yeah I'll likely upgrade my 3600x to a 5950 or something.
 
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