Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

[PEB]

Early reviews of the monsterous RTX 3090 are not that great for the massive price difference between it and the 3080. The real reason someone would likely plunk down 1500 plus for the RTX 3090 is bragging rights and for 8K production and highest end VR. But under 4k it offers around a 15 percent to 20 percent improvement in 4K gaming.

In other fun news AMD apparently leaking like mad the specs of their new cards and claim that there Big Navi is only 15 percent slower then the 3090 at around 600 bucks I guess?

 

[TestosterOWN]

Yeah it’s funny seeing people try to flex with a 3090 for gaming. Unless you use it for a bunch of other shit the 3080 is better value.

 

[SaiWa]

Yeah it’s funny seeing people try to flex with a 3090 for gaming. Unless you use it for a bunch of other shit the 3080 is better value.

Some people have a shit ton of money and don't give a fuck about cost. They just want to best.

I wish I was one of those people...

 

[weed]

When else are you going to have an opportunity to buy a SSD for your cumputer?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Opta...413794?hash=item3fd8cf7362:g:NZ0AAOSw5nJeKe4V



Quit peddling your ebay store.

haha nah man I only sell ThinkPads. at the moment I have or will have for sale very soon..

x1 g6 i7 8th 16gb ram (onboard)
t480s i7 8th
t470 i5 8th
t570 i5 8th
a few yoga 260s (i5 6th)
a few yoga 460s (i5/i7 6th)
a bunch more


btw, as awesome as they may be, if you plan on buying a Sabrent Rocket 2242/2230 do NOT install it into the WWAN slot of your laptop. so far they've been bricking ThinkPads, and it looks this may apply to other laptop brands with user upgradable options.

 

[PEB]

Yeah it’s funny seeing people try to flex with a 3090 for gaming. Unless you use it for a bunch of other shit the 3080 is better value.

Nvidia looks like they took a 3080 chip an enabled addition SP's and added more ram that's it. No radical differences beyond these but jacked the price by more then double the price. It seems like it's a money grab by Nvidia there are other cards that will close the gap even more like 3080 SC.

 

[PEB]

The horrors continue.

"Several hours ago, Reddit posts began apearing from very angry customers who ordered EVGA GeForce RTX 3080s from Newegg.com only to find the cards did not come in their retail packaging, and even worse, the cards were barely packaged properly in Newegg's boxes. With the RTX 3080 being a highly sought after graphics card, customers are angry that their purchases are arriving without full retail packaging, and in some cases the cards are even damaged."


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.to.../newegg-shipping-evga-rtx-3080s-without-boxes

 

[rob mafia]

i'm starting to think that intel and nvidia are heavily invested in amd.

 

[jefferz]

The horrors continue.

"Several hours ago, Reddit posts began apearing from very angry customers who ordered EVGA GeForce RTX 3080s from Newegg.com only to find the cards did not come in their retail packaging, and even worse, the cards were barely packaged properly in Newegg's boxes. With the RTX 3080 being a highly sought after graphics card, customers are angry that their purchases are arriving without full retail packaging, and in some cases the cards are even damaged."


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.to.../newegg-shipping-evga-rtx-3080s-without-boxes

Ever since Newegg got sold out to that Chinese company they've been slowly going down hill.

EVGA is a great company though. If Newegg won't make it right, I'm willing to bet that EVGA will step up and fix it. Even though it isn't their fault, this still hurts their image.

 

[TestosterOWN]

Nvidia looks like they took a 3080 chip an enabled addition SP's and added more ram that's it. No radical differences beyond these but jacked the price by more then double the price. It seems like it's a money grab by Nvidia there are other cards that will close the gap even more like 3080 SC.

Yeah. They are smart to hit the “gotta have the best” crowd.

 

[rob mafia]

Ever since Newegg got sold out to that Chinese company they've been slowly going down hill.

iirc, 8/11 of my last orders with newegg were messed up. i stopped using them entirely and don't miss them at all.



microcenter ftw.

 

[PEB]

Wow things are bad for Nvidia.

 

[PEB]

 

[jefferz]

Wow things are bad for Nvidia.

You should pay attention to what Jay is saying instead of fanboying.
As stated by Jay in the video, the cards are hitting the Nvidia specs. It's the AIB's that fucked up.

Did you notice Skunk Works CPU loop was tore apart?

 

[Swing]

Scarcity was kind of a blessing in disguise. At least now consumers have an idea of which cards to avoid and to wait for reviews of non-founder's edition cards.

 

[PEB]

You should pay attention to what Jay is saying instead of fanboying.
As stated by Jay in the video, the cards are hitting the Nvidia specs. It's the AIB's that fucked up.

Did you notice Skunk Works CPU loop was tore apart?

I still don't understand the fan boy part? Igor a famous blogger pointed out that the capacitor problem maybe be a bigger issue then Nvidia making it out to be.

It looks like there is engineering issues with the board. Apparently this comes from a vendor contract requirement. This from GamerMeld YouTube account. They do a great breakdown of the problems.

Apparently even boards using higher end caps are seeing similar issues as compared to companies using cheaper parts. So the issues could be deeper and more problematic for 3rd party boards.

I come from board design area having worked on boards with up to 128 bit bus and 8 channels as well as 16 layer boards that cost 25k per board. It would take on average 3 years to bring to market. These were high end fiber channel storage controllers.

Point being Nvidia has work to do.

 

[jefferz]

I still don't understand the fan boy part? Igor a famous blogger pointed out that the capacitor problem maybe be a bigger issue then Nvidia making it out to be.

It looks like there is engineering issues with the board. Apparently this comes from a vendor contract requirement. This from GamerMeld YouTube account. They do a great breakdown of the problems.

Apparently even boards using higher end caps are seeing similar issues as compared to companies using cheaper parts. So the issues could be deeper and more problematic for 3rd party boards.

I come from board design area having worked on boards with up to 128 bit bus and 8 channels as well as 16 layer boards that cost 25k per board. It would take on average 3 years to bring to market. These were high end fiber channel storage controllers.

Point being Nvidia has work to do.

You've defended AMD multiple times until you're blue in the face. And you've made mountains out of mole hills many, many times over Intel and Nvidia.

People aren't having problems with founders edition cards, it's the AIB's. The AIB's are the ones that fucked up, not Nvidia.

 

[PEB]

You've defended AMD multiple times until you're blue in the face. And you've made mountains out of mole hills many, many times over Intel and Nvidia.

People aren't having problems with founders edition cards, it's the AIB's. The AIB's are the ones that fucked up, not Nvidia.

Somehow you are making this that I have some fanboy love of AMD? Currently none of computers are running anything with AMD. I love running my stuff with cheap DELL computers and home made PC's. Nvidia is not blameless their 3rd party builders have guidelines they must follow.

The problem is the issue according to Igor may extend past Nvidia's design requirements. Boards from several vendors are turning up problematic. They have even in at least a few cases with ASUS boards. This likely as I pointed out an issue past a simple capacitor.

 

[PEB]

 

[jefferz]

tech yes is about as trustworthy as you can throw him.
He'll make videos with old Xeons but min/averages fps doesn't tell the whole story, there's a lot more to it. Go try to use an old LGA1366, it may hit decent numbers but things like frame pacing and your Windows experience will be abysmal. When you watch his videos, pay very close attention to the settings menus if he shows them. He'll narrow the FOV and other things to inflate numbers.

 

[Madmick]

I could understand being upset if you had these issues after spending more than $800 on an expensive triple-fan 3080, but IMO, this is a snorefest.

So far the fingers are pointing to supra-2.0GHz clocks as the culprit. That would definitely explain why only the aggressively pre-overclocked AIBs are glitching. Yet, as someone pointed out on the AT forums, you only net about 4% more average fps from the RTX 3080 going from a 270W power consumption cap to the ~330W it pulls if you don't manually hold it back, and that's with the Founder's Edition which doesn't have issues at 330W. That 270W figure was chosen to compare to the RTX 2080 Ti Founder's Edition. Its pulls around 277W in gaming loads.

So the RTX 3080 was apparently already very aggressively clocked at reference. Yet, as I've already pointed out, it did extraordinarily well in testing for temperatures and noise. The vapor chamber single-fan cooler is more than adequate. So far the Asus TUF OC is the only AIB I've seen that is really attractive, to where I'd feel good about spending more money on it...but for the temps, noise, and pre-calibrated quiet mode, not for steeper overclocks.

Heck, the MSI Gaming X Trio is the best performer I've seen so far, and in TPU's reviews it only 2.5% better in Unigine overclock than the Founder's Edition. So who gives a shit?

It seems to me the real issue here, and I imagine these major companies don't want it to become a talking point, is that similar to manual overclocking of CPUs, the AIBs are being made largely obsolete. It looks like cooling has become sophisticated enough the days of NVIDIA or AMD leaving 15% headroom on the table are gone, baby, gone. They can't afford to do that. It's too conservative, and the press beats them up. Now NVIDIA is even incorporating the fan idle mode into the Founder's Edition.