Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

[Swing]

https://www.etsy.com/listing/876977...0AagjkbzpZhn1V7AtABKDvyKs7wfwkDIaAuepEALw_wcB

Shows 1 one Zotac 3080 in stock if anyone is interested.

Edit: Personally, overpriced and I don't know whether or not to have confidence in Etsy.

 

[PEB]

 

[PEB]

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Although there is no image of this upcoming video card available yet, the latest rumors confirm that the GeForce RTX 3060 Ti will feature the GA104-200 processor with 4,864 CUDA cores, 8 GB of GDDR6 memory running at 14 Gbps, and a 256-bit bus. The performance should match the existing RTX 2080 Ti and the card is rumored to arrive after the RTX 3070.
Codrut Nistor, 09/26/2020
Rumor Geforce Desktop Gaming

Since many gamers are not gaming at 4K or 8K yet and often have to stay within a certain budget, they will surely skip buying the high-end RTX 3080 and RTX 3090 video cards and focus on the less potent — and cheaper — RTX 3070 and RTX 3060. For now, there is no rumor regarding the launch of the non-Ti 3060, but insiders familiar to the matter who spoke to VideoCardz confirmed that the RTX 3060 Ti is scheduled to arrive next month, soon after the RTX 3070.


The list of technical specs — yet to be confirmed by NVIDIA, of course — contains a GA104-200 GPU with 4,864 CUDA cores, 8 GB of GDDR6 memory over a 256-bit bus clocked at 14 Gbps, which leads to a 448 GB/s bandwidth. The TDP of the reference design is expected to be 180 W, noticeably lower than the rumored 220 W of the RTX 3070.


In terms of performance, the RTX 3060 Ti could often match the RTX 2080 Ti and even beat the non-Ti 2080 clock for clock. Fortunately, it should also cost somewhere around US$400, since the RTX 3070 is rumored to hit the market at US$499.


These being said, we should get ready for next month's release of the RTX 3070. If everything goes as rumored/planned, the launch should take place on October 15. Once that happens, we should know more about the RTX 3060 Ti as well."

https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDI...e-expected-to-arrive-next-month.495799.0.html

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

What is the significance of the “Ti” designation anyway? Like why is the 3060 the only Ti in the 3000 series so far?

 

[PEB]

What is the significance of the “Ti” designation anyway? Like why is the 3060 the only Ti in the 3000 series so far?

Ti means technical improvement vs Titanium. The reason why historically ment adding more on chip CU's and or more vram. In this version of Ti means more vram going from 6 gig to 8 gig. And that's a good thing but I suspect it may have to do with Samsung vram design.

Funny in that it maybe cheaper for Nvidia to use a specific Samsung chip but they may bump into moving up to 8 gig. It Nvidia may have figured it would be cheaper an easier just to leave it along instead of a software lockout.

 

[PEB]

Save your pennies Sherdoggers the rumors are very likely true Nvidia will be introducing an Nvidia 2080 killing RTX 3060 Ti with a sub 400 dollar price point on around Oct 15 to co-inside with AMD big NAVI launch a week later. Talk about spoiling the party it gets better apparently the RTX 3070 will be introduced a week early too. The other part is Nvidia admits that they are pretty much killing off both the 10X0 series and the 20SX0 series with this launch. I expect to see fire sale prices on both the 10X0 and 20X0 series GPU's with the prices for the RTX 3060 and 3070. The other part of this is Nvidia realizing they cannot act like they can price their product higher or at least higher then before because AMD cuts into their business.

EDIT: Can expect the same insane 6 am sellout so go to the sites with the best chances. From what I hear Newegg worked hard to avoid the 1 min sellout issue as well as a few others. Nvidia could still pose problems.



https://www.pcgamer.com/will-nvidia-try-to-spoil-amds-big-navi-launch-with-a-geforce-rtx-3060-ti/
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Rumours suggest that Nvidia is preparing an RTX 3060 Ti, said to be powered by a GA104-200 GPU with 4,864 CUDA cores and 8GB of GDDR6 memory (14Gbps). The card will supposedly have a 256-bit memory bus, offering 448GB/s of memory bandwidth. It's also said that such a card would be timed to arrive around the same time as AMD's Big Navi announcement. Game on.

Nvidia's Ampere launch has been a hot topic these past few weeks, as its GeForce RTX 3080 and 3090 graphics cards have both sold out immediately on its website and by way of its retail partners. And on October 15, we're guessing the same thing is likely to happen with the GeForce RTX 3070.

not be a paper launch, either.

You can bet Nvidia has a strategy to contend with AMD's launch, should the RX 6000 series bring performance parity to its Ampere cards at competitive price points. As it potentially applies to that, the folks at Videocardz say they have 'confirmed' from two sources that the next entry to the GeForce RTX 30 series is the 3060 Ti, before even the inevitable non-Ti variant."

 

[TestosterOWN]

I’ll legit pay anyone in here 100 bucks if they land me a 3070. I’m try my best to get one.

 

[jefferz]

 

[Satur9]

Save your pennies Sherdoggers the rumors are very likely true Nvidia will be introducing an Nvidia 2080 killing RTX 3060 Ti with a sub 400 dollar price point on around Oct 15 to co-inside with AMD big NAVI launch a week later. Talk about spoiling the party it gets better apparently the RTX 3070 will be introduced a week early too. The other part is Nvidia admits that they are pretty much killing off both the 10X0 series and the 20SX0 series with this launch. I expect to see fire sale prices on both the 10X0 and 20X0 series GPU's with the prices for the RTX 3060 and 3070. The other part of this is Nvidia realizing they cannot act like they can price their product higher or at least higher then before because AMD cuts into their business.

EDIT: Can expect the same insane 6 am sellout so go to the sites with the best chances. From what I hear Newegg worked hard to avoid the 1 min sellout issue as well as a few others. Nvidia could still pose problems.



https://www.pcgamer.com/will-nvidia-try-to-spoil-amds-big-navi-launch-with-a-geforce-rtx-3060-ti/
"
Rumours suggest that Nvidia is preparing an RTX 3060 Ti, said to be powered by a GA104-200 GPU with 4,864 CUDA cores and 8GB of GDDR6 memory (14Gbps). The card will supposedly have a 256-bit memory bus, offering 448GB/s of memory bandwidth. It's also said that such a card would be timed to arrive around the same time as AMD's Big Navi announcement. Game on.

Nvidia's Ampere launch has been a hot topic these past few weeks, as its GeForce RTX 3080 and 3090 graphics cards have both sold out immediately on its website and by way of its retail partners. And on October 15, we're guessing the same thing is likely to happen with the GeForce RTX 3070.

not be a paper launch, either.

You can bet Nvidia has a strategy to contend with AMD's launch, should the RX 6000 series bring performance parity to its Ampere cards at competitive price points. As it potentially applies to that, the folks at Videocardz say they have 'confirmed' from two sources that the next entry to the GeForce RTX 30 series is the 3060 Ti, before even the inevitable non-Ti variant."

The thing is, tech moves too fast now. You will ALWAYS have a bit of buyers remorse, and there will always be a better value somewhere in the short-term. Just cannot escape it. Happens with phones, and cars too. Next model always has better features, that are cheaper, or now come stock. If you wait for the perfect time to buy, you will wait forever.

 

[Cygnus A]

Im hoping AMD brings something competitive to market with Big Navi. Im happy with what they have done on the CPU front. I try to not pick sides, but competition is good for everyone.

 

[PEB]

The thing is, tech moves too fast now. You will ALWAYS have a bit of buyers remorse, and there will always be a better value somewhere in the short-term. Just cannot escape it. Happens with phones, and cars too. Next model always has better features, that are cheaper, or now come stock. If you wait for the perfect time to buy, you will wait forever.

True but I think the RTX 3060 is a good product and hits the right price point and will also force Ebay RTX 2070 and RTX 2080 to become much cheaper currently the RTX 2080 sells for around 700 dollars some of these used units are a year old. That really does not make any sense after the RX 3060 is introduced it will be hard for these people to continue asking the price they paid for it for one year old used unit.

 

[Satur9]

True but I think the RTX 3060 is a good product and hits the right price point and will also force Ebay RTX 2070 and RTX 2080 to become much cheaper currently the RTX 2080 sells for around 700 dollars some of these used units are a year old. That really does not make any sense after the RX 3060 is introduced it will be hard for these people to continue asking the price they paid for it for one year old used unit.

Yeah, that’s some good points. Definitely do not buy year old(or even older AND used!) when there is something coming. Especially at their price points.

Though I would say until we see some announcements, we are only going on instinct. What MIGHT be right around the corner, but who knows if they can supply enough then too? If there was a definite timeline to all of this, then I would certainly agree without argument.

 

[PEB]

Yeah, that’s some good points. Definitely do not buy year old(or even older AND used!) when there is something coming. Especially at their price points.

Though I would say until we see some announcements, we are only going on instinct. What MIGHT be right around the corner, but who knows if they can supply enough then too? If there was a definite timeline to all of this, then I would certainly agree without argument.

When CPU prices are dropping like stones it would be nice to see GPU prices follow a similar trajectory because right now it makes no sense. All my friends are like wait for the new generation so hopefully this time around it does not turn into the mess like the last time. I heard people for the most part did not have the problems with the RTX 3090 as they did with the 3080 but then again it's a way overpriced card.

 

[Madmick]

True but I think the RTX 3060 is a good product and hits the right price point and will also force Ebay RTX 2070 and RTX 2080 to become much cheaper currently the RTX 2080 sells for around 700 dollars some of these used units are a year old. That really does not make any sense after the RX 3060 is introduced it will be hard for these people to continue asking the price they paid for it for one year old used unit.

There probably isn't going to be much of an impact on 2070 and 2080 pricing outside Used markets. NVIDIA pulled production of those GPUs months ago, so vendors are clearing out inventory they already purchased. They need to make a profit, and there isn't a sufficient enough supply of RTX 3000 series cards to disrupt the current pricing curve. By the time there is the RTX 2000 cards will probably be mostly gone.

 

[PEB]

There probably isn't going to be much of an impact on 2070 and 2080 pricing outside Used markets. NVIDIA pulled production of those GPUs months ago, so vendors are clearing out inventory they already purchased. They need to make a profit, and there isn't a sufficient enough supply of RTX 3000 series cards to disrupt the current pricing curve. By the time there is the RTX 2000 cards will probably be mostly gone.

I still see plenty of 900 series boards on the market so I expect to see 20X0 and 10X0 boards for sometime. Prices on 2060 have already been impacted as I see them down to around 270 dollars.

I believe production will increase in the end of October to boost for black Friday. People will hold off till boards become more widely available.

 

[Madmick]

I still see plenty of 900 series boards on the market so I expect to see 20X0 and 10X0 boards for sometime. Prices on 2060 have already been impacted as I see them down to around 270 dollars.

I believe production will increase in the end of October to boost for black Friday. People will hold off till boards become more widely available.

Wut? 900 series boards? GTX 900 series? No, there isn't. Those are incredibly sparse. More importantly, what impact exactly do you think they have on the current GPU pricing?
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=329,366,208,186,185,224&sort=price&page=1

The cheapest GTX 960 available in new condition from a PCPP-tracked retailer, there, costs $249. That's $50 more than its MSRP when it launched five years ago.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Why would anyone buy a 900 series card? How are you supposed to trace your rays with that?

 

[Madmick]

Oh, I'd missed this last month, but apparently an SSD faster than the PS5 SSD is already about to launch. The Sabrent Rocket Gen4 is already available, so don't confuse it. This is the "Plus" model:
PlayStation 5 SSD and leaked Samsung 980 Pro outmuscled by Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus but Cerny advises future PS5 owners to "hold off" on M.2 drive purchases

 

[PEB]

Wut? 900 series boards? GTX 900 series? No, there isn't. Those are incredibly sparse. More importantly, what impact exactly do you think they have on the current GPU pricing?
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=329,366,208,186,185,224&sort=price&page=1

The cheapest GTX 960 available in new condition from a PCPP-tracked retailer, there, costs $249. That's $50 more than its MSRP when it launched five years ago.

I would never buy one but there are more then a few GTX 970 used on Ebay.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...H_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=Nvidia+GTX+1070

They are actually still good gaming cards the GTX 970 good for a cheap sub 350 dollar gaming rig with an i7 such as using a Dell 9020 i7 mini tower that I have seen with 8 gigs go for under 100 dollars. That's not a bad cheap second gaming computer choice in some cases running at 3.5 ghz with over boost to 4.2 ghz. These are 4th gen i7 CPU's and requires a 15 dollar 24 pin to 8 pin adapter as well as a cheap "around 40 bucks used" 500 plus watt power supply. Upgrading ram can go all the way to 32 gigs and has Pci express 3rd generation.

I am pretty confided the GTX 970 can hold its own vs something like the GTX 1060.

 

[Madmick]

I would never buy one but there are more then a few GTX 970 used on Ebay.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...H_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=Nvidia+GTX+1070

They are actually still good gaming cards the GTX 970 good for a cheap sub 350 dollar gaming rig with an i7 such as using a Dell 9020 i7 mini tower that I have seen with 8 gigs go for under 100 dollars. That's not a bad cheap second gaming computer choice in some cases running at 3.5 ghz with over boost to 4.2 ghz. These are 4th gen i7 CPU's and requires a 15 dollar 24 pin to 8 pin adapter as well as a cheap "around 40 bucks used" 500 plus watt power supply. Upgrading ram can go all the way to 32 gigs and has Pci express 3rd generation.

I am pretty confided the GTX 970 can hold its own vs something like the GTX 1060.

Are you being deliberately obtuse, or do you genuinely not understand something this simple? The point in contention is whether the RTX 3000 series will have a pronounced effect on RTX 2080 and 2070 pricing in the next few months:

True but I think the RTX 3060 is a good product and hits the right price point and will also force Ebay RTX 2070 and RTX 2080 to become much cheaper currently the RTX 2080 sells for around 700 dollars some of these used units are a year old. That really does not make any sense after the RX 3060 is introduced it will be hard for these people to continue asking the price they paid for it for one year old used unit.

For that to happen, you need a supply. There is not an adequate supply to disrupt current pricing. Chiefly, this needs to be of the RTX 3000 series, but it also helps if there is a continued supply of RTX 2000 cards. NVIDIA ended production of the RTX 2000 series in June:
Report: NVIDIA Ends Production of GeForce RTX 20 Series GPUs

You just linked GTX 900 series cards in any condition on eBay. Nobody on eBay is an officially authorized reseller except stores like Newegg that also maintain a shop. Furthermore, "Used" condition GPUs do not compete with "New" GPUs; thus they have almost no impact on new GPU pricing. The fact there are still a tiny few GTX 900 series cards floating out there at ridiculously high prices only strengthens the point I'm imparting to you. I just gave you the link. In fact, the cheapest new GTX 960 from an authorized reseller is directly from MSI themselves on Amazon-- it's $300:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B011S6GUCQ?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1
*Edit* LOL, nope, not even that one. That's actually sold by "J-Tech Digital".

So how would that possibly have a positive impact on current GPU pricing such as RTX 2070s or 2080s? It's vastly inferior to the MSRP price/performance ratio of RTX 2000 series cards! Conversely, how would that present an example of new cards driving down the price of increasingly rare older GPUs still available?