Television Game of Thrones S08E06 Discussion Thread: Burn them all! (the writing staff) | Our Watch has ended

horc00 said:
What an absolute shite of an finale.

So Dany is dead and Greyworm calls for a council? And who makes up this council? 3 Starks, a Baratheon, a treasonist prisoner Lannister and a bunch of less significant house lords? Where're the other house representatives?

All the lords, most of whom never interacted with Tyrion or hates the Lannisters, somehow easily succumbs to treasonist Tyrion's pep talk and decides to vote for Bran as king? And why TF does the Starks get to place 3 votes? And why TF does Brienne of Tarth, a knight with sworn loyalty to the Starks, and daughter to a small-time lord that's only a vessel house of the Baratheons, get to place a vote instead of the many other major houses? Sounds like a very skewed voting pool isn't it?

And lastly, just as they've chosen a Stark to be king, Sansa declares independence and everyone's ok with that? The entire continent of Westeros is ruled by a brother-sister duo of Starks and all the other houses have no issues with that? And none of them thought about declaring independence too?

What the flying fuck is this steaming pile of horseshit?
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The election was rigged
 
I actually liked Jon killing Danny.. in that brief minute or two.. she seemed "normal" again.. I was honestly scared Jon was getting it

Bran being king was a complete surprise to me.. I expected Sansa/Tyrion. I guess this is how they say Brans are after s3 was not completely meaningless

Cinematography.. music is great.. writing went to down hill big time after season 4

I think the real problem is episode 3.. if the NK hadn't been done dirty and finished inside one episode.. Season 8 would not get so much hate.. Extend the season 2 episodes.. flesh out the White walkers.. Danny going "mad"

Episode 3 killed the hype and put a dampner on GOT
 
I'm waiting for a good Simba pushing Dany gif.
 
This show was meant to be the pinnacle of political realism.

Ever since they have run out of book material, it has turned into a colossal fan service circus.
 
Well, that was bad, but at least it's over.

So we don't get any meaningful follow up from Danny? No exploration of her final turn? She goes to one extreme the last episode and all we get after that is one generic "I'm the mother of dragons," speech that we've already heard a dozen times, then she's shanked by Jon. Regardless of what you think of her turn in the previous episode (it was shit), this was one of the pivotal characters of the whole show. To not even get to see her reflect on this choice of hers, or to explore how her obtaining the throne was going to affect her, is bad.

What possible position of power was Greyworm negotiating from. Even if we conclude that he had a substantial force, the defenses of King's Landing where shot. He couldn't stand against any serious contest from the rest of Westeros. What allies could he possibly have? Everyone at that counsel could have thanked him for his service in the White Walker war, then insisted he just fuck of back across the narrow sea, and Greyworm wouldn't have been in much a position to do shit about it.

And they're not going to take the time to show Jon get exiled? What a moment that should have been. You have his family on the counsel. Davos, a man that's supported Jon through hell and back for a few years. Sam, his best friend is there. You can't have a scene where all these people have to look Jon in the eye, and after all he's done for the realm, and exile him to the North?

And what is Jon's status up North? Tyrion recited the Night's Watch creed, so I assumed Jon returned to the Watch. As just a common soldier, or the Lord Commander? But then we see him peace out beyond the wall, looking back as if to say goodbye. So was he defecting a'la Mance Rayder style? Or was he just retiring beyond the wall? Or has the Night Watch's mission statement or relationship with the Wildlings fundamentally changed? We needed more episodes to at least clear some of this up.

So the last scene we have with Tyrion and some other major characters is at the gathering of Bran's advisors/counsel. And we have a pretty out of place comedic tone. And what are we supposed to gather here? After all that's happened, we have the same political dynamic that always existed. Lords squabling over petty shit. The wheel definitely didn't break.

And Tyrion's last line being "I once brought a jackass and a honeycomb into a brothel...". It's like D&D knew they couldn't write a better line then one they lifted and used word for word way back in season one. These guys don't even try.

So what exactly is the political dynamic now? Are we supposed to believe we are in a better place, because characters we like are more or less in charge? Good old Bronn joking about coin for brothels, so I guess we're all good? This continent has to be in a state of near ruin. You've had a roughly decade long continent-wide civil war. You had a zombie genocide of apparently every living human that hadn't gotten south to Winterfell by episode 3. And then you just had a massacre in the capital city of what had to be, out of a population of 1 million, at least a death toll in the 100,000's. All of Westeros should be damn near on the brink, but our characters are chattering on like it's just another day of administrating the realm. Ug.

And why would the other houses be ok with King Bran? What the fuck does Dorne know about Bran? Why would they throw their lot in with him? Why would anyone? Sansa just up and succeeded without any push back. How could Bran or any of the other houses have objected if say, the Iron Island opted for their own independence. What advantage do the Ironborn get from accepting Bran as their king? They certainly don't have a good history with the Starks. I feel like it's just cheap to not answer any of this.

Arya. Who knows where her arc went. I guess she's off to either seek enlightenment or have adventures. Not sure why I should care about either.

As always, the score was great. The visuals were cool. We had some decent acting from the usual suspects. But ultimately this last episode will be remembered, like this last season will, as suffering from some truly terrible writing.
 
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TheRuthlessOne said:
People will defend this episode
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the plot points arent the problem, I predicted them like 6 years ago with the exception of Bran being king.

I thought Jon would vacate the throne or go into exile, that Arya would sail "west of westeros", that Dany would go mad and get put down by someone who loved her (picked Jorah).

However the dialogue, logic, pacing, ect was rushed and cringeworthy. I was more than fair these past few weeks. Just disappointing. Poor execution in the writing. Costumes, sound, cgi, acting, score were all at its peak. A lot of good work was put in so I dont want to completly trash it but damn. Need some time to let it breath.
 
best ending ever. it's finally fuckin over. now everyone can quit acting like a bunch of dorks about that shit show.
 
the one issue the books DONT have is that Stannis lives still.
 
I didnt mind the ending...i just despised all the other episodes in the season.

One thing did bother me though and perhaps someone can explain- why the fuck was it snowing in King's Landing mere hours/days after the battle where it was blue skies????? In every other season wasn't King's Landing always blue skies and California -esque weather???
 
I have to say when Drogon melted the Iron Throne I expected them to go in the direction of dissolving the 7 kingdoms or abolishing the monarchy.

The fact that they’re just “naw, we’re going to just rebuild King’s Landing and keep on trucking with this dysfunctional monarchy” is kind of lame.
 
Man D and D really subverted my expectations on that one

I thought I was watching a fresh fantasy series that would stand the test of time

Really I was watching an above average marvel movie set in medieval times with some dragons

Really makes you think wow
Color my expectations subverted
 
Tarly with that big dick energy proposing universal suffrage to a bunch of medieval monarchists.
 
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