Television Game of Thrones S08E06 Discussion Thread: Burn them all! (the writing staff) | Our Watch has ended

[M3t4tr0n]

I think Bran manipulated everyone into making him king.

 

[Brampton_Boy]

I didn't think it was possible, but that was materially worse than every other episode this season (and in the series).

We went from a show that was so skilled in creating tension and unexpected moments, to something that resembled a Cole's Notes version of the Ice and Fire Books. So many unanswered questions:

1) Why did the NK want Bran? (was it just to ensure that this timeline wouldn't be fulfilled?)
2) Why create such an epic arc for Arya, if only to have her say "I'm going on an adventure" to end the series
3) What was up with that Dragon/John/Dany death scene? From the dragon's perspective "Hey, you just killed my mom, but I guess since we are 3rd cousins or something, I'm going to give you a pass"

So many awesome characters who's ending seemed incomplete.

The last episode reminded me of this parody from the Simpsons: .

Alot of talking and political machinations, and a whole lot of nothing else.

 

[MTT]

They need Dany's death to be speculated upon so Drogon must scoop her up and disappear. How did they know Jon killed her? Do we surmise he turned himself in? Suddenly his birthright means nothing because "he doesn't want it", so it's conveniently forgotten while he is banished to appease Greyworm? There is real frustration with the inconsistency and downright gaping holes created not just from episode to episode but scene to scene. The writing is a steaming pile of shit.

 

[Simple Southerner]

Just finished I thought it was decent my girl cried alot lol i was glad to see Dany get murked and who better else to do it than jon

 

[God_Emperor_Of_Mankind]

So Drogon I'm assuming goes back to his birthplace the Dothraki sea,just like Balerion carried Princess Aerea to Valeria.
Dragons like going back to their birthplace when you let them.

 

[MTT]

I think Bran manipulated everyone into making him king.

None of the other characters seemed to have noticed this, all the while Bran is not-so-subtly telling them he's been pulling the strings and complicit in mass murder to achieve this end.

 

[Makani]

None of the other characters seemed to have noticed this, all the while Bran is not-so-subtly telling them he's been pulling the strings and complicit in mass murder to achieve this end.

"Why do you think I came all this way?"

 

[M3t4tr0n]

Jon should have just said that the dragon caught him banging Dany on the Throne and went berserk, killed her and flew away. Dragons are like pitbulls of the sky so would make sense.

 

[Makani]

Jon should have just said that the dragon caught him banging Dany on the Throne and went berserk, killed her and flew away. Dragons are like pitbulls of the sky so would make sense.

It seems like Drogon gave him a super good alibi.

 

[MTT]

"Why do you think I came all this way?"

Do we take it that Bran is righteous and this was the best and only outcome? To me, he is the real evil of the show after that finale. Maybe the writing really is 6d chess.

 

[horc00]

What an absolute shite of an finale.

So Dany is dead and Greyworm calls for a council? And who makes up this council? 3 Starks, a Baratheon, a treasonist prisoner Lannister and a bunch of less significant house lords? Where're the other house representatives?

All the lords, most of whom never interacted with Tyrion or hates the Lannisters, somehow easily succumbs to treasonist Tyrion's pep talk and decides to vote for Bran as king? And why TF does the Starks get to place 3 votes? And why TF does Brienne of Tarth, a knight with sworn loyalty to the Starks, and daughter to a small-time lord that's only a vessel house of the Baratheons, get to place a vote instead of the many other major houses? Sounds like a very skewed voting pool isn't it?

And lastly, just as they've chosen a Stark to be king, Sansa declares independence and everyone's ok with that? The entire continent of Westeros is ruled by a brother-sister duo of Starks and all the other houses have no issues with that? And none of them thought about declaring independence too?

What the flying fuck is this steaming pile of horseshit?

 

[M3t4tr0n]

None of the other characters seemed to have noticed this, all the while Bran is not-so-subtly telling them he's been pulling the strings and complicit in mass murder to achieve this end.

You see how with like 2 sentences he brainwashed Theon into charging the NK with a shitty ass spear. A fucking zombie creating ice wizard and shit. He's like Jim Jones or Charles Manson level mind manipulation.

 

[God_Emperor_Of_Mankind]

I think Sansa was insanely cunning,got what she wanted all along,Queen of the north,didn't compromise with anyone not brother Jon nor brother Bran. I'll take your army,I'll take your dragons killing thousands of WW'S! Save my life and my kingdom but I will not pledge loyalty! This will be my kingdom,mine,mine all mine,muhahaha!

 

[HHJ]

It seems like Drogon gave him a super good alibi.

Indeed.

Honest to a fault that Jon.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

Do we take it that Bran is righteous and this was the best and only outcome? To me, he is the real evil of the show after that finale. Maybe the writing really is 6d chess.

This is why the NK was trying to kill him. To save Westeros.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

So Drogon I'm assuming goes back to his birthplace the Dothraki sea,just like Balerion carried Princess Aerea to Valeria.
Dragons like going back to their birthplace when you let them.

I bet he ate Dany after flying a bit.

 

[IamStryker]

The fan theories are better than the movie. Yet again.

You suck Hollywood.

 

[HHJ]

What an absolute shite of an finale.

So Dany is dead and Greyworm calls for a council? And who makes up this council? 3 Starks, a Baratheon, a treasonist prisoner Lannister and a bunch of less significant house lords? Where're the other house representatives?

All the lords, most of whom never interacted with Tyrion or hates the Lannisters, somehow easily succumbs to treasonist Tyrion's pep talk and decides to vote for Bran as king? And why TF does the Starks get to place 3 votes? And why TF does Brienne of Tarth, a knight with sworn loyalty to the Starks, and daughter to a small-time lord that's only a vessel house of the Baratheons, get to place a vote instead of the many other major houses? Sounds like a very skewed voting pool isn't it?

And lastly, just as they've chosen a Stark to be king, Sansa declares independence and everyone's ok with that? The entire continent of Westeros is ruled by a brother-sister duo of Starks and all the other houses have no issues with that? And none of them thought about declaring independence too?

What the flying fuck is this steaming pile of horseshit?

Stark hater confirmed.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

What an absolute travesty. If there were any other seasons after this I would've quit this season. No reason to go on the writing is just terrible. Probably a lot of "Jon and Tyrion stand brooding." "Jon and Tyrion walk the walk of shame."
I hate this SJW bs too. A crippled king? LOL! And a war criminal gets to nominate the next king too no less. If I were Greyworm I would've told him to stay his tongue. The prisoner doesn't get to speak unless I will it.

It took you this long to pickup on politics in the show?

Sansa a cowtailed woman as QUEEN of the NORTH *cringe* she didn't do anything. All she of any martial authority was help Jon at the Battle of the Bastards. There was definitely a conflict of interest there. She demands the seat of power and Bran just gives it to her. His brother. After they just voted HIM in. WTF? They are contradicting themselves.

This was perhaps pushing things a bit but Bran giving up the north doesn't seem that unrealistic to me given his lack of personal ambition and almost all of the lords present were both friendly to the north and had experience of just how strong the desire for indepenance now was. The alternative is as mentioned previously the north potentially leaving via force and taking the Riverlands and the Vale with it.

Bran was the most boring, monotone, sullen and stoic characters for the past 4 seasons he hasn't done anything of interest since Hodor died. What the actual fuck? Worst choice ever for king.

You could argue exactly why he was picked as King. I would say though that yes I'd hoped for more of his mystical side to be highlighted although it seems like this is going to end up shifted across to the prequel series.

Arya becomes a faceless man for what reason exactly? To never use her powers, to betray the order and to become a Ninja/Adventurer. What was the whole point of her going to Braavos. She didn't do anything with her abilities. Total waste of a character arc.

In order to develop the abilities needed to kill the Night King, inferred that the faceless men had some knowledge of this future as Mel did.

Jon Snow/Aegon Targaryon. Goes back to where it all started but everyone just seems to forget his lineage. Uh... what? I know the writers think it's cool and clever to see everything come back around full circle kind of like poetry it's so they rhyme. But, they ruined the main protagonist of the show and turned him into a huge cuck. What a complete pushover. Only thing he did of consequence all season was end Dany.

He's shown to be the main leader of the fight against the Night King and its built up that he actually has some emotional stake against killing Dany. Westeros rejecting hereditary rule obviously makes Jon's background less important by the end, indeed you could argue that this played into the decision to make sure he's exiled. At the end of the day he's put into the environment that the show has spent most time building up his affinity for and free of political intrigue.

Dany's turn was almost on the same level as Anakin Skywalker. At least in Star Wars they only had 2.5 hours to tell his story. Game of Thrones could have had 10 episodes to show her slo-burn descent into tyranny but nope they decided to do it in one episode and now she is the wicked witch of the Westeros. Really subtle with the black costume change there too Dumb and Dumber.

I mean this is still somewhat larger than life fantasy but for me the grounding is there right back to the first season and the direct setup is there across the last two seasons. She doesn't end up as a monster only concerned with power but rather as a believer in her own destiny.

Drogon just fucks off out East probably to Old Valyria. I don't know about you but a rogue Dragon is not something I would take lightly

Actually addressed somewhat with Bran claiming he's going to look for him(potentially Warg into him?). They could have killed him as well I spose but I think the image of his carrying off Dany's body worked well giving her character a respectful send off.

My favourite show is now just an afterthought. It's amazing how they can ruin a GOAT tier show in 13 episodes. This is a meteoric collapse of epic proportions. I will not see the movies or spin-offs after this. Why bother it's just gonna lead to more disappoint after this.
Fin.

I found actually a big issue for me is that GOT wasn't entirely focused on building towards its climax, it was a show that gave significant catharsis before that, a lot of the strongest plot threads were actually finished by the 6th season.

It didn't feel like the show were Tyrion killed Tywin or Sansa fed Rasmey to the dogs but I think that shift was inevitable as Jon and Dany's plots really dominated, so no not the show I loved in say the 3rd and 4th series but still something I enjoyed that I think managed a strong climax

 

[mS_?]

completely oxymoronic ending to things.