Gable Steveson is the Khamzat Chimaev of the HW division an unstoppable force

[snaportap21]

With all due respect, it would be much more fair to say you got hung up on the "conflicting versions" bit, since that's what you said instead of "inadequate evidence," which would be a much more fair excuse of charges not moving forward. I mean, the prosecutor notes that it's normal to have conflicting versions. One of the reasons they can't get evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt" is because the law in that district has a higher reasonable doubt because of the loophole provided. The article points out that he gave "few details" but did go out of his way to say how his office was restricted by the law in pressing charges and how he'd been pushing to change it for a while. That's pretty specific in terms of what details affect this case's prosecution. Pointing that out is not getting "hung up" at all.

The fact that there are conflicting stories is exactly why you cannot just label someone a rapist. People are getting hung up on the alcohol aspect of it because even if they were in a state in which voluntary intoxication laws were present, there was no trial and no conviction. It’s innocent until proven guilty. An accusation is not enough to just call someone a scumbag rapist.

Also, the threshold for reasonable doubt is not a loophole. It’s the way almost half of the states work. Of course the prosecutor wants to have a lower threshold for reasonable doubt. Convictions look good on their record. It’d make the job easier. Fact of the matter is 21 states operate the way Minnesota does. 23 operate the way the prosecutor wants to operate. Calling it a loophole doesn’t make sense. (6 undecided on the issue).

 

[TimeToTrain]

UFC has no male American champs at the moment. But feed him Derrick Lewis first.

 

[Trabaho]

he is a nobody. Potential yes. 1-0 career. Didn´t do 2% of the MMA training Khamzat did. Khamzat been striking for 10 years. Wrestling is a good skill, but MMA is still different. DC translated perfectly. But not everyone is DC. Gable is a potential but at this moment a apsolute nobody in MMA. What is his score, 1-0.

 

[flektarn]

The fact that there are conflicting stories is exactly why you cannot just label someone a rapist. People are getting hung up on the alcohol aspect of it because even if they were in a state in which voluntary intoxication laws were present, there was no trial and no conviction. It’s innocent until proven guilty. An accusation is not enough to just call someone a scumbag rapist.

Also, the threshold for reasonable doubt is not a loophole. It’s the way almost half of the states work. Of course the prosecutor wants to have a lower threshold for reasonable doubt. Convictions look good on their record. It’d make the job easier. Fact of the matter is 21 states operate the way Minnesota does. 23 operate the way the prosecutor wants to operate. Calling it a loophole doesn’t make sense. (6 undecided on the issue).

So it's like a Conor situation. He probably would've been found guilty under a civil case but not a criminal one

 

[snaportap21]

So it's like a Conor situation. He probably would've been found guilty under a civil case but not a criminal one

I honestly can’t say. I just know due process is needed before we can just label someone a rapist.

 

[this is my new account]

I didn't read anything in this thread yet. That is disgraceful to compare khamzat to GABLE. it's not the wrestling, it's the mindset. Im sure gable will break after getting punched in the face when he cant get the takedown. He isn't a MMA fighter yet.

Before I read what you wrote I think you are a going to make me puke in my mouth and swallow it

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Realistically, he is already probably top 10.

Will see what happens. He has a chance. But with a low amount of experience, he could get subbed quick.

 

[Sycho Sid]

I honestly can’t say. I just know due process is needed before we can just label someone a rapist.

Not to get into the weeds here: But we only need due process before convicting someone as a a rapist.

 

[Prince Nephilim]

That is disgraceful to compare khamzat to GABLE.

You're right! Khazmat's never won an Olympic Gold Medal in wrestling and never will. Gable on the other hand could win a UFC Belt.

 

[Typrune Goatley]

On paper and from what I have seen of his wrestling career...this is an absolute Blue Chip Prospect.

This is the best MMA prospect of the last 15 years.

If there was one rookie I would put my money on to be successful, it would be him.

If you followed his college wrestling career and saw him win Olympic Gold, you would know he is a greater prospect than 99% of any other newcomer to the UFC. Seems like a lot of people in this thread really don't know him. Yes, I understand some high level wrestlers don't pan out. Sure, he might have some weaknesses like striking defense or something right now but like I said...if I had to pick one young MMA prospect to run the table, it is him.

This is literally the highest level wrestler we have seen in years and he is a Heavyweight which makes it all the more fun and interesting.


He is still very young and also extremely athletic. He can move better than literally any current Heavyweight.

He just needs to keep working on his striking every day for the next two years and he will be in the top 10 of UFC in less than 2 years. I predict he will have 4 or 5 wins in the next year or so, hit the UFC, win 2 fights to get ranked, all in around 2 years.

 

[Meathead Jock]

Gables first fight at the age of 25. Henry Crjudos first fight was at 26.

I'd say Gable was more productive in terms of athletic training during the 4 years after winning gold than Cejudo was though.

Cejudo was mostly golfing around being a motivation speaker/director while dabbling in Arizona local boxing at a level so low I can't find a single bout/opponent during his time.

Gable trained for WWE/NFL/and NCAA wrestling during that time.

He is a bit ahead of the curve than Cejudo but not by much. Henry had a weak 125 (minus mighty Mouse) Gable has a weak heavyweight (minus Aspinall). The UFC also has recently fired almost all the boring heavyweights who have wrestling ability enough to potentially defend enough takedowns to get some strikes in on him. The tinfoil hat in me says they are clearing out a smooth path for Gable to climb the ladder with purpose behind it.

 

[snaportap21]

Not to get into the weeds here: But we only need due process before convicting someone as a a rapist.

You also need due process to call someone a scumbag rapist in a case where it’s a he said she said, inadequate evidence, and conflicting stories regarding the case. But that’s just me. I don’t use the term rapist lightly.

 

[Sticko]

The crazy part of Gable Stevenson being the Khamzat Chimaev of the HW division is that Khamzat Chimaev could go up to HW and take him down in the first five seconds and crucifix him with fookin ease in under a minute.

and dazz str8 up fax

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F-A-C-T

Fax.

Straight up!

back me up on this one @Slapjit

How is Khamzat going to take down an Olympic wrestler who outweighs him by like 60 pounds?

 

[Hog-train]

Every time there is a highly touted wrestler coming into MMA for the first time, they usually end up disappointing.

Too many instances of Olympic wrestlers disappointing.

 

[xMTDx]

Is Khamzat a sex offenders as well? What did I miss

 

[usernamee]

How is Khamzat going to take down an Olympic wrestler who outweighs him by like 60 pounds?

Chimmy will rip him off the canvas like this

 

[this is my new account]

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You're right! Khazmat's never won an Olympic Gold Medal in wrestling and never will. Gable on the other hand could win a UFC Belt.

Wrestling doesn't make a fighter. He is definitely skilled but that doesn't make him a fighter that is top 5. I do see a run but I don't see him making to the top. Definitely not a HW champion. That is ridiculous

 

[DougieJones]

Gonna need some pics and an audio clip to confirm.

 

[Trabaho]

Is Khamzat a sex offenders as well? What did I miss

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