Fury by KO

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i don't think i saw the dubois fight, gosh, i'm so out of touch admittedly.

You should watch it, great performance from Dubois and so satisfying seeing cocky annoying AJ get battered;

His false humble guy act fools nobody, hence being so disliked personally dispite trying to always pretend he's the 'model sportsman'. This fight showed his true colours - even between rounds when getting absolutely fkn battered (not even close) he said 'he (Dubois) is shit' ; taking no advice, no acknowledgement of the predicament he's in, just 'he (the much faster, better guy with blistering combos, a much better chin and much better defence battering you) is shit', and then continue to go out with his hands down trying to cockily smirk.

Was satisfying after his bullshit marketed 4 win 'streak' just prior too, 'AJ is back!', yeah okay. Long time coming.

 

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He looked to me to be relaxing when he got badly hurt, rewatch that and tell me if it doesn't look like that. He looks like he forgot where he was for a second.

In round 8 or 9?

I just watched round 9 again and just before he gets hit, he's pitter pattering Usyk with nonsense...



Dunno what that was, but Usyk wasn't remotely hurt, not tired, was coming focused and had shown all night the feints and pitter patter had no effect, so Fury just walked into that.

 

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Let's be honest about something here. If Fury didn't have such a massive size advantage in weight, reach & height then this "rivalry" likely wouldn't even be that competitive. It's also what helped save Fury when he was in deep trouble. If they were closer in size Usyk would absolutely abuse him.

 

[mozfonky]

You should watch it, great performance from Dubois and so satisfying seeing cocky annoying AJ get battered;

His false humble guy act fools nobody, hence being so disliked personally dispite trying to always pretend he's the 'model sportsman'. This fight showed his true colours - even between rounds when getting absolutely fkn battered (not even close) he said 'he (Dubois) is shit' ; taking no advice, no acknowledgement of the predicament he's in, just 'he (the much faster, better guy with blistering combos, a much better chin and much better defence battering you) is shit', and then continue to go out with his hands down trying to cockily smirk.

Was satisfying after his bullshit marketed 4 win 'streak' just prior too, 'AJ is back!', yeah okay. Long time coming.

I think i did see the kayo clip. I saw the ngannou fight and he was humble in that one, i liked that. He had no reason to jump around and he didn't. Ngannou lost like he should have, just one more reason I have a grudge against your guy, he made our sport look bad. These guys, whoever they might be, represent more than themselves to me and I just don't like it when they go reflecting poorly on the sport. I don't think any fan has or did in the past, it's the main reason some fighters were just hated, they were selfishly hurting the sport because they couldn't be bothered to carry themselves with dignity or come prepared. Even Ali, who I love, many people hated him for no other reason than he was changing the landscape of the sport, bringing in antics that took away the old code and changing it into a lot of what we have today.

 

[mozfonky]

Let's be honest about something here. If Fury didn't have such a massive size advantage in weight, reach & height then this "rivalry" likely wouldn't even be that competitive. It's also what helped save Fury when he was in deep trouble. If they were closer in size Usyk would absolutely abuse him.

usyk can abuse him, he'd have to let his hands go more and that creates openings of it's own. But, only the ref saved Fury in the last fight.

 

[mozfonky]

In round 8 or 9?

I just watched round 9 again and just before he gets hit, he's pitter pattering Usyk with nonsense...



Dunno what that was, but Usyk wasn't remotely hurt, not tired, was coming focused and had shown all night the feints and pitter patter had no effect, so Fury just walked into that.

he was doing it and he was right in range for what came too. That's why I called it Ali-Frazier 1 round 11. Ali got in the worst fight of his career up to that point horsing around with Joe like that, and standing right in range of Joe's deadly left hook, just stupid.

Here's Frazier/Ali 11, look in the comments, a couple other people mention usyk/fury 9 too.

 

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I think i did see the kayo clip. I saw the ngannou fight and he was humble in that one, i liked that. He had no reason to jump around and he didn't. Ngannou lost like he should have, just one more reason I have a grudge against your guy, he made our sport look bad. These guys, whoever they might be, represent more than themselves to me and I just don't like it when they go reflecting poorly on the sport. I don't think any fan has or did in the past, it's the main reason some fighters were just hated, they were selfishly hurting the sport because they couldn't be bothered to carry themselves with dignity. Even Ali, who I love, many people hated him for no other reason than he was changing the landscape of the sport, bringing in antics that took away the old code and changing it into a lot of what we have today.

Yeah he embarrassed boxing with the Ngannou fight.

But tbh I just think Ngannou was on point too - he boxed very well in that fight - his movement, his stance, his jabbing, everything was extremely impressive for a novice guy and at that level. He looked better than some top HWs lol, Dillian Whyte for example, who, may be done at top level now after that last performance, but, woudln't be surprised if Ngannou beats Whyte. Looked a lot sharper.

I think his strength surprised Fury. As Fury came in heavy like Wilder 2 and was clearly looking to employ similar tactics n lean on Ngannou n shit aka do that to a big puncher, but, Ngannou's balance, stance n strength too good, he just shook Fury off and blapped him, wheras Wilder has no balance or footwork and just kept falling over like a retard.

I think Ngannou was perhaps over eager after the Fury performance and it was very stupid of him to switch to southpaw randomly to try and confuse Joshua, he shoulda stuck to basics and been a bit more careful, I think he could give Joshua a better fight.

 

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he was doing it and he was right in range for what came too. That's why I called it Ali-Frazier 1 round 11. Ali got in the worst fight of his career up to that point horsing around with Joe like that, and standing right in range of Joe's deadly left hook, just stupid.

Yeah, it's almost like Fury was trying to convince the judges, crowd and himself that he was just easily in control - I think that's what the showboating was, just trying to steal rounds by looking in control, but, that's a wiley old trick and at this point, with him, I don't think anybody or any judges are falling for that.

Like right there before he gets hurt, as you say in range... and, pitter-patter absolutely nothing on those punches, they're not even punches, he's just touching Usyk, as if to imply 'look how easily I'm playing with him', thinking too much about how he's perceived as opposed to the ACTUAL damage or not, and the man in front of him.

So, I think that's what he meant by more focus etc. and in that sense I think he's right, and honest.

 

[mozfonky]

Yeah he embarrassed boxing with the Ngannou fight.

But tbh I just think Ngannou was on point too - he boxed very well in that fight - his movement, his stance, his jabbing, everything was extremely impressive for a novice guy and at that level. He looked better than some top HWs lol, Dillian Whyte for example, who, may be done at top level now after that last performance, but, woudln't be surprised if Ngannou beats Whyte. Looked a lot sharper.

I think his strength surprised Fury. As Fury came in heavy like Wilder 2 and was clearly looking to employ similar tactics n lean on Ngannou n shit aka do that to a big puncher, but, Ngannou's balance, stance n strength too good, he just shook Fury off and blapped him, wheras Wilder has no balance or footwork and just kept falling over like a retard.

I think Ngannou was perhaps over eager after the Fury performance and it was very stupid of him to switch to southpaw randomly to try and confuse Joshua, he shoulda stuck to basics and been a bit more careful, I think he could give Joshua a better fight.

no novice has any business doing that to a heavyweight champ. I always mention how (my boy in the pic here) Maurice Smith, for whatever reason, i never asked, decided to take up pro boxing, he got kayoed in 3 by james Broad. Broad was nowhere near a title contender, a fringe contender and I think the highest he ever got was sorta a trial horse and he kayoed Maurice in 3, that's what's supposed to happen. No vid of that fight so I don't know how it went but I know Maurice and he's no great boxer, he was a dominant kickboxer and pioneer in mma. Anyway, just shows how much the eras have changed. No way ngannou would be doing anything 30 years ago, even with the out of shape fringe contenders around.

 

[mozfonky]

Yeah, it's almost like Fury was trying to convince the judges, crowd and himself that he was just easily in control - I think that's what the showboating was, just trying to steal rounds by looking in control, but, that's a wiley old trick and at this point, with him, I don't think anybody or any judges are falling for that.

Like right there before he gets hurt, as you say in range... and, pitter-patter absolutely nothing on those punches, they're not even punches, he's just touching Usyk, as if to imply 'look how easily I'm playing with him', thinking too much about how he's perceived as opposed to the ACTUAL damage or not, and the man in front of him.

So, I think that's what he meant by more focus etc. and in that sense I think he's right, and honest.

Like I say, he gives his man too many chances to pull off stuff like that. He gave Wilder infinite chances to take him out, you don't do that.

 

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usyk can abuse him, he'd have to let his hands go more and that creates openings of it's own. But, only the ref saved Fury in the last fight.

Usyk will have to take more risks to do it but that can be a double-edged sword as you noted. Fury's size advantage helped him absorb damage from the smaller man. Had Usyk been a natural heavyweight it likely wouldn't have taken that many shots to floor him at the very least.

 

[mozfonky]

Usyk will have to take more risks to do it but that can be a double-edged sword as you noted. Fury's size advantage helped him absorb damage from the smaller man. Had Usyk been a natural heavyweight it likely wouldn't have taken that many shots to floor him at the very least.

well, it's a balance, don't take so many chances you get caught, but when has Fury shown he's out to kill his guy anyway? Only wilder 2. I don't think I've seen if Usyk has a beard or not either, but, I do think he doesn't like it rough.

Hey, give fury one thing, the guy is clever, he'll see things in the first fight and IF he decides to try to take advantage he can. But honestly, I'll be glad to see him put permanently a step down from where he is now. He's had how many years since Klitscko to do something and he gave us a few thrills but not much.

 

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AI judging? Damn thas genius. And could solve all judging issues, not that there was a judging issue with Fury v Usyk 1, but I mean in general. Then we can determine say, okay is it just 'more punches landed' and have AI and compubox work together and give a definitive answer - most in most rounds, overall, whatever.

It's not affecting the result here, but they're debuting and testing it.

 

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well, it's a balance, don't take so many chances you get caught, but when has Fury shown he's out to kill his guy anyway? Only wilder 2. I don't think I've seen if Usyk has a beard or not either, but, I do think he doesn't like it rough.

Hey, give fury one thing, the guy is clever, he'll see things in the first fight and IF he decides to try to take advantage he can. But honestly, I'll be glad to see him put permanently a step down from where he is now. He's had how many years since Klitscko to do something and he gave us a few thrills but not much.

Fury can still put guys away with his pressure but he isn't a big hitter. His rear uppercut is the sharpest and probably his most powerful shot. Is he a great finisher? No. When he had Wilder in trouble in the second fight it took him several additional rounds to end the fight. He just bludgeoned him until Mark Breland threw in the towel.

Usyk has shown a granite chin over the years. To date he's never been dropped by a shot upstairs in the pro ranks. He's as proven as it gets against the biggest punchers at cruiserweight & heavyweight. He's been in with some seriously dangerous guys and been tagged by them flush. The worst we've seen is his knees momentarily buckle but he's always managed to instantaneously recover and stay upright.

Yeah, Fury hasn't done a whole lot since beating Wlad. That was almost 10 years ago. His best wins since are over Wilder & Whyte. Fighting mediocre opposition for so long is what annoyed the fans. The big fights he should've been taking all along were either stalled or haven't happened. We could've seen him fight Usyk a few years ago. He was offered the fight on multiple occasions. Instead he played his usual games in negotiations, avoided the biggest threats, and pretended to retire as usual.

 

[mozfonky]

Fury can still put guys away with his pressure but he isn't a big hitter. His rear uppercut is the sharpest and probably his most powerful shot. Is he a great finisher? No. When he had Wilder in trouble in the second fight it took him several additional rounds to end the fight. He just bludgeoned him until Mark Breland threw in the towel.

Usyk has shown a granite chin over the years. To date he's never been dropped by a shot upstairs in the pro ranks. He's as proven as it gets against the biggest punchers at cruiserweight & heavyweight. He's been in with some seriously dangerous guys and been tagged by them flush. The worst we've seen is his knees momentarily buckle but he's always managed to instantaneously recover and stay upright.

Yeah, Fury hasn't done a whole lot since beating Wlad. That was almost 10 years ago. His best wins since are over Wilder & Whyte. Fighting mediocre opposition for so long is what annoyed the fans. The big fights he should've been taking all along were either stalled or haven't happened. We could've seen him fight Usyk a few years ago. He was offered the fight on multiple occasions. Instead he played his usual games in negotiations, avoided the biggest threats, and pretended to retire as usual.

no, no, he couldn't land clean shots for whatever reason, that's just HIM.

Usyk, never seen many of his other fights. He didn't take many clean shots last time.

Either way, Fury giving ground to a man that much smaller just tells you how much of a tactical goof he is. Same for the 1&3 wilder fights.

 

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no, no, he couldn't land clean shots for whatever reason, that's just HIM.

Usyk, never seen many of his other fights. He didn't take many clean shots last time.

Either way, Fury giving ground to a man that much smaller just tells you how much of a tactical goof he is. Same for the 1&3 wilder fights.

I've seen Usyk absorb big shots that landed flush. He's even occasionally walked right into sharp counters and not gone down (Joshua 1 comes to mind). His chin is probably Top 3 in the entire sport. Fury will have studied him inside & out by now. It probably won't matter though if Fury can't keep up with Usyk's pace or make the necessary counter-adjustments during the fight.

 

[mozfonky]

I've seen Usyk absorb big shots that landed flush. He's even occasionally walked right into sharp counters and not gone down (Joshua 1 comes to mind). His chin is probably Top 3 in the entire sport. Fury will have studied him inside & out by now. It probably won't matter though if Fury can't keep up with Usyk's pace or make the necessary counter-adjustments during the fight.

i'm rewatching ngannou-fury, what a klutz, after seeing that, I don't think he could beat Jake Paul.

 

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i'm rewatching ngannou-fury, what a klutz, after seeing that, I don't think he could beat Jake Paul.

He looked abysmal in that fight. Not to mention that he fought the wrong fight. He should've boxed at a distance, circled, and kept turning Ngannou all night long. When he was boxing & moving in there Ngannou looked lost. However, he'd actually need to be in shape to execute that gameplan. It requires stamina even though it was only a 10 round non-championship fight.

 

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i'm rewatching ngannou-fury, what a klutz, after seeing that, I don't think he could beat Jake Paul.

Don't think who could beat Jake Paul... Ngannou?

 

[mozfonky]

Don't think who could beat Jake Paul... Ngannou?

your buddy, of course I was being facetious (kinda).