Fury by KO

[Chaotic Progressor]

how can usyk be unbeatable, he could have lost the last fight without the big round and the momentum change, that was a competitive fight. Fury can win it, i just don't think he will. He'll do some great things and then, he'll do what he usually does, inexplicably throw a monkey wrench into it all to make it hard for himself. Maybe it's self-sabotage, ya know, self sabotage is common, I do it all the time with my mouth, i don't even know i'm doing it.

Exactly. That was my point to that knob face, it's not about how many people are saying he's unbeatable, just that it has been said and it's ridiculous given how closely he's winning fights. He's not absolutely blowing everyone out the water or dominating like crazy. That's not close to an unbeatable fighter.

 

[Chaotic Progressor]

problem is, Fury is hard to like and he's hard to root for, that's why we don't wanna see the guy win. Ok, he's not a bad guy but is he the guy we want as the champ? Usyk is professional, humble, consistent, predictable, then we have Fury who will go lengths to find a way to fuck himself over.

True. I also find him funny though. Usyk is a nice guy sure but great and professional and humble can also be boring.

Have been a fan for Fury for a while, I want the bipolar fucker to win lol.

 

[mozfonky]

True. I also find him funny though. Usyk is a nice guy sure but great and professional and humble can also be boring. I want the bipolar fucker to win.

Fury is a great mouthpiece but we've seen it before, many times. I'm watching a bit of the pre-fight shit talking now, now, that is a mismatch of course because usyk can't even speak english or understand the shit he's talking. But.., nothing is worse than a guy who talks shit and doesn't deliver.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

they always say to fight a southpaw, keep the toe outside of his, land the right and the hook and forget about the jab. tyson did none of those, didn't even try those things. then, he's the one moving, again, as we've said, why is he the one moving whent he's the bigger guy? It's very strange. It's not like he's not a dangerous guy with his size, just listen to some of the shots he was landing on Wilder in fight 2. But, he just seems to like to slap and move.

Fury doesn't fight southpaws the way you're taught to conventionally. Yes, he'd want his lead foot outside of Usyk's to line up his right hand and get offline from Usyk's straight left. Fury also could've been using his lead hand hook more, as you noted, and the check hook would be the perfect weapon against a guy that has to always close distance. He should try and use it more.

Usyk was the one fighting an orthodox fighter the way you're supposed to as a southpaw. He was taking the outside angle on Fury throughout the fight. When he was getting caught with the uppercut he was coming in on a straight line. Or simply not getting off the center line enough on his entries. Notice later in the fight he wasn't getting nailed by it anymore. He adjusted. I think Usyk will defend better against Fury's uppercuts and some of those body shots in the rematch. That's where Fury had the most success.

 

[mozfonky]

Fury doesn't fight southpaws the way you're taught to conventionally. Yes, he'd want his lead foot outside of Usyk's to line up his right hand and get offline from Usyk's straight left. Fury also could've been using his lead hand hook more, as you noted, and the check hook would be the perfect weapon against a guy that has to always close distance. He should try and use it more.

Usyk was the one fighting an orthodox fighter the way you're supposed to as a southpaw. He was taking the outside angle on Fury throughout the fight. When he was getting caught with the uppercut he was coming in on a straight line. Or simply not getting off the center line enough on his entries. Notice later in the fight he wasn't getting nailed by it anymore. He adjusted. I think Usyk will defend better against Fury's uppercuts and some of those body shots in the rematch. That's where Fury had the most success.

I'm not even saying what they tell you is right, Willie Pep once said that throwing the lead right against a southpaw was a fallacy. But there is a way that fighters are advised to do it and they often don't, probably because it feels too weird. Even though fury's jab wasn't landing, it was serving a purpose and keeping usyk preoccupied. The jab is doing it's job even when it's only getting a guy to move into other shots and keeping an opponent busy. Usyk was doing a lot of deft work with his lead hand. Surprising how great he was at staying close to Fury too. I wanna see the rematch whoever wins. It wasn't a great fight but it was a good interesting one.

 

[Chaotic Progressor]

Fury is a great mouthpiece but we've seen it before, many times. I'm watching a bit of the pre-fight shit talking now, now, that is a mismatch of course because usyk can't even speak english or understand the shit he's talking. But.., nothing is worse than a guy who talks shit and doesn't deliver.

Yeah. He seems... Over it right now though @ Fury. Seems quite bored n pissed, and now saying he's definitely gonna knock Usyk out again lol.

Seems like he's ready in his eyes and body language, hopefully he's put the work in and has a plan...

I think he actually wasted too much energy last fight trying to match Usyk's movement, and be overly twitchy, perhaps thinking it would bother Usyk but it didn't at all, none of his feints moved Usyk and he wasted essentially the first 3 rounds on so much movement which probably caught up to him later on.

It looked like maybe he was happy to try win on points so he could say he outboxed Usyk... Hopefully he doesn't do the same again, and I think he needs to try for the knockout, he shoulda tried for it harder in round 6 after landing that uppercut.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Exactly. That was my point to that knob face, it's not about how many people are saying he's unbeatable, just that it has been said and it's ridiculous given how closely he's winning fights. He's not absolutely blowing everyone out the water or dominating like crazy. That's not close to an unbeatable fighter.

There's no such thing as an unbeatable fighter. Imagine getting this upset over a commentator making a hyperbolic claim to promote a rematch. It's typical fight hype. We hear it every other weekend.

 

[mozfonky]

Yeah. He seems... Over it right now though @ Fury. Seems quite bored n pissed, and now saying he's definitely gonna knock Usyk out again lol.

Seems like he's ready in his eyes and body language, hopefully he's put the work in and has a plan...

I think he actually wasted too much energy last fight trying to match Usyk's movement, and be overly twitchy, perhaps thinking it would bother Usyk but it didn't at all, none of his feints moved Usyk and he wasted essentially the first 3 rounds on so much movement which probably caught up to him later on.

It looked like maybe he was happy to try win on points so he could say he outboxed Usyk... Hopefully he doesn't do the same again, and I think he needs to try for the knockout, he shoulda tried for it harder in round 6 after landing that uppercut.

but he was throwing more punches and landing the more telling blows, those rounds were close but I think Fury won most of them up to the midpoint. Again, close rounds, not a ton of action and not much seperating one from the other. but, if two guys are landing about equal amount of punches, a good one here or there and one guy is throwing more, I gotta give that round to him and fury was doing that, he was making the fight the first half, then, he did what he always does, screws himself up.

 

[Chaotic Progressor]

but he was throwing more punches and landing the more telling blows, those rounds were close but I think Fury won most of them up to the midpoint. Again, close rounds, not a ton of action and not much seperating one from the other. but, if two guys are landing about equal amount of punches, a good one here or there and one guy is throwing more, I gotta give that round to him and fury was doing that, he was making the fight the first half, then, he did what he always does, screws himself up.

I rewatched it closely yesterday... I gave Usyk round 1, Fury round 2 actually most didn't but he landed a few crackers as you say - more decisive but quite even...

3 was very close but just about Usyk...

4, 5, 6 definitely all Fury yes, looked to be running away with it, and he seriously missed his chance to try and jump on Usyk after that uppercut. Usyk was breathing heavy and galloping away to recover, he was hurt but very good at disguising it; Fury I'm sure noticed, but felt like he gave him too much respect.

And if you let Usyk back into it for a second, he just gets a 2nd wind.

I don't think Fury fucked it by doing anything stupid, Usyk just has a better tank and pace and when Fury couldn't maintain it, he got caught on the nose in round 8, thrown off, then round 9 as we know; recovered in round 10 but also an Usyk round, 11 also Usyk, and everybody gave Fury 12 but tbh rewatching I don't think so but you could easily give Fury round 3.

A lot of close rounds and just kind of cancelling each other out, as you say. I think to casual observers the mere fact Usyk is pressuring more = won round, but the landing was a lot more back n forth than I'm sure most remember it.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

At the end of the day the goal is to win and win clearly if possible. It doesn't matter if it's only by an inch or a mile. Usain Bolt's 100 meter world record is only about one-tenth of a second faster than Yohan Blake's. That's just a 100 millisecond difference. Doesn't sound like much but in track & field sprinting it's significant.

Now imagine expecting a fighter to completely dominate the best guys in a division that they don't even belong. While giving up every possible physical advantage. Usyk has never been viewed as unbeatable. In fact, up until recently he spent the majority of his career in the shadow of Lomachenko. Overall he was considered the second best fighter in the Ukraine. So, I have no idea where these idiots get this stuff.

 

[mozfonky]

I rewatched it closely yesterday... I gave Usyk round 1, Fury round 2 actually most didn't but he landed a few crackers as you say - more decisive but quite even...

3 was very close but just about Usyk...

4, 5, 6 definitely all Fury yes, looked to be running away with it, and he seriously missed his chance to try and jump on Usyk after that uppercut. Usyk was breathing heavy and galloping away to recover, Fury let him off... Gave him too much respect,

And if you let Usyk back into it for a second, he just gets a 2nd wind.

I don't think Fury fucked it by doing anything stupid, Usyk just has a better tank and pace and when Fury couldn't maintain it, he got caught on the nose in round 8, thrown off, then round 9 as we know; recovered in round 10 but also an Usyk round, 11 also Usyk, and everybody gave Fury 12 but tbh rewatching I don't think so but you could easily give Fury round 3.

A lot of close rounds and just kind of cancelling each other out, as you say. I think to casual observers the mere fact Usyk is pressuring more = won round, but the landing was a lot more back n forth than I'm sure most remember it.

He looked to me to be relaxing when he got badly hurt, rewatch that and tell me if it doesn't look like that. He looks like he forgot where he was for a second.

 

[treelo]

You asked for an example so I gave you one dick head. Directly disproving you, quite easily that this was 'in my head' as you declared. I invented it apparently, and in a random doc I'm watching I hear it again. Like I've been hearing it.

I've heard tons say Usyk is unbeatable, I'm not gonna go around collecting every fkn example for you. What an utter knob head you are.

And it didn't 'take me all day', I was watching it randomly and it popped out. I don't spend my day looking stuff up for some imbecile. I have a job.

well, those streets arent gonna sweep themselves are they son

 

[treelo]

No not everybody. Mainly you. There's people agreeing with me here too. Stop tryna rewrite history you conniving little wanker.

there are quite a few people on here you called a cunt when they didnt share your odd opinions, you sound about 5 years old

 

[Tatra]

List of all heavyweight title rematches in history

1899 – James J Jeffries KO 11 Bob Fitzsimmons
1902 – James J Jeffries KO 8 Bob Fitzsimmons

1906 – Tommy Burns D 20 Rounds Philadelphia Jack O’Brien
1907 – Tommy Burns W PTS 20 Rounds Philadelphia Jack O’Brien

1907 – Tommy Burns KO 1 Bill Squires
1908 – Tommy Burns KO 8 Bill Squires
1908 – Tommy Burns KO 13 Bill Squires

1926 – Gene Tunney W PTS 10 Jack Dempsey
1927 – Gene Tunney W PTS 10 Jack Dempsey

1930 – Max Schmeling DSQ 4 Jack Sharkey
1932 – Jack Sharkey W PTS 15 Max Schmeling

1940 – Joe Louis W PTS 15 Arturo Godoy
1940 – Joe Louis TKO 8 Arturo Godoy

1941 – Joe Louis DSQ 7 Buddy Baer
1942 – Joe Louis KO 1 Buddy Baer

1947 – Joe Louis W PTS 15 Jersey Joe Walcott
1948 – Joe Louis KO 11 Jersey Joe Walcott

1949 – Ezzard Charles W PTS 15 Jersey Joe Walcott NBA
1951 – Ezzard Charles W PTS 15 Jersey Joe Walcott
1951 – Jersey Joe Walcott KO 7 Ezzard Charles
1952 – Jersey Joe Walcott Pts 15 Ezzard Charles

1952 – Rocky Marciano KO 13 Jersey Joe Walcott
1953 – Rocky Marciano KO 1 Jersey Joe Walcott

1954 – Rocky Marciano W PTS 15 Ezzard Charles
1954 – Rocky Marciano KO 8 Ezzard Charles

1959 – Ingemar Johansson TKO 3 Floyd Patterson
1960 – Floyd Patterson KO 5 Ingemar Johansson
1961 – Floyd Patterson KO 6 Ingemar Johansson

1962 – Sonny Liston KO 1 Floyd Patterson
1963 – Sonny Liston KO 1 Floyd Patterson

1964 – Cassius Clay RTD 6 Sonny Liston [Clay changed his name to Muhammad Ali]
1965 – Muhammad Ali KO 1 Sonny Liston WBC

1971 – Joe Frazier W PTS 15 Muhammad Ali
1975 – Muhammad Ali TKO 14 Joe Frazier

1978 – Leon Spinks W PTS 15 Muhammad Ali
1978 – Muhammad Ali W PTS 15 Leon Spinks WBA

1982 – Michael Dokes TKO 1 Mike Weaver WBA
1983 – Michael Dokes D 15 Mike Weaver WBA

1985 – Michael Spinks W PPS 15 Larry Holmes IBF
1986 – Michael Spinks W PTS 15 Larry Holmes IBF

1989 – Mike Tyson TKO 5 Frank Bruno
1996 – Mike Tyson TKO 3 Frank Bruno WBC

1992 – Riddick Bowe W PTS 12 Evander Holyfield WBC/WBA/IBF
1993 – Evander Holyfield W PTS 12 Riddick Bowe WBA/IBF

1994 – Oliver McCall TKO 2 Lennox Lewis WBC
1997 – Lennox Lewis TKO 5 Oliver McCall WBC

1996 – Evander Holyfield TKO 11 Mike Tyson WBA
1997 – Evander Holyfield DSQ 3 Mike Tyson WBA

1994 – Michael Moorer W PTS Evander Holyfield WBA/IBF
1997 – Evander Holyfield TKO 8 Michael Moorer WBA/IBF

1999 – Lennox Lewis D 12 Evander Holyfield WBA/IBF/WBC
1999 – Lennox Lewis W PTS 12 Evander Holyfield WBA/IBF/WBC

2000 – Evander Holyfield W PTS 12 John Ruiz WBA
2001 – John Ruiz W PTS 12 Evander Holyfield WBA
01 John Ruiz D 12 Evander Holyfield WBA

2001 – Hasim Rachman TKO 5 Lennox Lewis IBF/WBC
01 Lennox Lewis KO 4 Hasim Rachman BF/BC

2000 – Wladimir Klitschko W PTS Chris Byrd WBO
2006 – Wladimir Klitschko TKO 7 Chris Byrd IBF

2004 – Lamon Brewster TKO5 Wladimir Klitschko WBO
2007 – Wladimir Klitschko TKO 12 Lamon Brewster IBF

2008 – Wladimir Klitschko TKO 11 Tony Thompson IBF/WBO
2012 – Wladimir Klitschko W TKO6 Tony Thompson WBA/WBO/IBF

2015 – Deontay Wilder W PTS 12 Bermane Stiverne WBC
2017 – Deontay Wilder KO1 Bermane Stiverne WBC

2019 – Andy Ruiz Jr. TKO7 Anthony Joshua IBF/WBA/WBO
2019 – Anthony Joshua W PTS IBF/WBA/WBO

2018 – Deontay Wilder D 12 Tyson Fury WBC
2020 – Tyson Fury KO 7 Deontay Wilder WBC
2021 – Tyson Fury KO 11 Deontay Wilder WBC

2021 – Oleksandr Usyk W PTS Anthony Joshua WBA/IBF/WBO
2022 – Oleksandr Usyk W PTS Anthony Joshua WBA/IBF/WBO

Usyk vs Fury II: Every heavyweight title rematch in boxing history - World Boxing News

Heavyweight title rematch history goes against Tyson Fury as the former champion bids to regain his position from Oleksandr Usyk this weekend. Fury aims to win back the crown on December 21 while adding the WBA and WBO versions to the WBC title he previously owned. The Briton battles Usyk for a...

www.worldboxingnews.net

 

[borntoloseNOT]

Well, Sign me up for the cunt crew, because this rematch has me fucking hyped now. Heavyweight boxing, that is all

 

[tank666]

Have a feeling Fury is gonna pull this off. Assuming he stays focused, hopefully keeps his Dad out of the corner and learns from mistakes in 1st fight.

 

[tank666]

I will be back to congratulate Usyk if I'm wrong.

 

[Chaotic Progressor]

there are quite a few people on here you called a cunt when they didnt share your odd opinions, you sound about 5 years old

Nah, really just you and Kovalev's "Man Bag". But mainly you. And then just some normal people agreeing (another fella just above me) and disagreeing.

And no I don't, I sound like a normal guy with an opinion. You sound like an imbecile.

 

[Chaotic Progressor]

well, those streets arent gonna sweep themselves are they son

Or data analyse itself.

Funnily enough I analyse data and predict outcomes for a livinig, and successfully, as I've been doing that professionally for 10 years, increasing my salary, standing in the industry and getting my clients consistent results and becoming consistently better at what I do - day in day out for a decade.

...I analyse data / information to discern patterns and outcomes for a living? Sounds very familiar to what's going on here!

But, no they won't, so get to it boy.

 

[treelo]

Or data analyse itself.

Funnily enough I analyse data and predict outcomes for a livinig, and successfully, as I've been doing that professionally for 10 years, increasing my salary, standing in the industry and getting my clients consistent results and becoming consistently better at what I do - day in day out for a decade.

...I analyse data / information to discern patterns and outcomes for a living? Sounds very familiar to what's going on here!

But, no they won't, so get to it boy.

hahaha, your one those are you, i get paid to help the likes of you write reports correctly son, and you seem about as intelligent as the people i help as well