From jobbers in Romanian Superkombat to UFC contenders (curious cases of Rozenstruik and Oezdemir)

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  1. Broadcast Farang

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    So Jairzinho Rozenstruik in kickboxing was 3rd league, in K-1 he would have been 4th.

    Tonight he defeated #6 ranked in the world Alistair Overeem without "horsemeat" (PEDs, steroids) in UFC VIA KO.

    In Superkombat he was (2-4), here is Rozenstruik beaten by Raul Catinas like a punching bag (2nd round KO):



    And Volkan Oezdemir in kickboxing in Superkombat looked like 4th league. He also went to be sensation in UFC, then fought for the title losing it.



    At 2015 Nordine Mahieddine was really not that good and it looked like a poor fight from both. 4th league.
     
  2. Broadcast Farang

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    UFC is really laughable! Adesanya a champion, at least he is a quality fighter but was not a champion in Glory. While Rozenstruik and Oezdemir were jobbers in kickboxing.

    Fatass Tony Johnson beat Alexander Volkov Bellator champion, ahahahah, and Volkov now is a sensation in UFC. Pretty much close to a contender.

    Watch Tony Johnson being KOed in R1 in Superkombat by a Polish nobody :D

     
  3. Tayski Stand-up Fighting

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    You do realize that Kickboxing and MMA are 2 different sports and that some are better suited at one than the other right?

    Most of your overweight Romanian kickboxers would get outwrestled to death in MMA, like a turtle on its back not able to get back up. Why don't those Romanian legends you mention transition to MMA and show the world how it's done? Instead they fight in obscure KB organizations.

    Also, you always do those ridiculous fight maths, like Rozenstruik beat Overeem tonight in MMA, and Catinas beat Rozenstruik in Kickboxing in 2012, so Catinas > Overeem with this logic. Or even better when you said Errol Zimmerman beat Rico Verhoeven in 2012, and Daniel Ghita beat Zimmerman in 2010 and 2013, so Ghita > Rico.

    Here's one for you, Gokhan Saki beat Daniel Ghita x2 in KB, and Khalil Rountree beat Saki in MMA, so Khalil Rountree > Daniel Ghita.
     
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  4. Snubnoze707 High Level

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    Because facts matter and you most likely didn't actually watch the fight. Overeem dominated that whole entire 5 round fight only to gas out in the last 10 seconds and get caught with a monster shot in the last 5 seconds. He wasn't knocked out in fact he immediately jumped back up but Miragliotta fumbled the stopage. Granted, Overeems lip was ripped wide open from the shot but he was seconds away from winning a clear decision.

    BTW, the UFC is the biggest combat sports promotion on the planet and Super kombat is shuttered, cancelled, and out of business so who cares about an irrelevant promotion? Props to Rozenstruik for doing a complete 180 with his fight career. Went from losing to bums in a bum promotion to changing sports and fighting for the #1 combat sports promotion.
     
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  5. Smashus Clay White Belt

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    Yeah, I mean who has ever heard of a fighter becoming better after gaining experience and continuing to train and compete at a high level. Preposterous!

    The guy lost a couple fights 6.5 years ago, in a completely different rule set, what an absolute can.
     
  6. Broadcast Farang

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    Superkombat was poorer than former Glory and K-1, but it was better for some years than UFC was in the last 15 years maybe. Irimia didn"t create fake products and he was laughing at Dana White. Ronda Rousey and real Anderson Silva of Glory, were fake products. McGregor not as good as people think. Jon Jones, doped. Khabib = real champion.

    BUMS? Raul Catinas murders this punching bag even now, not just Adegbuyi. Rozenstruik lost to fucking Muamer Tufekčić.

    I watched Rozenstruik vs. Overeem watching a slow as fuck Rozenstruik. He had knocking power before, but he"s still slow as fuck.

    Volkan Oezdemir in kickboxing was 6th league. Rozenstruik 4th league in K-1, 3rd in Superkombat but with no chances of 2nd.

    Just because a promotion is owned by America doesn"t mean it"s a good shit. Bellator had sold better than any kickboxing promotion and Volkov was KOed by Tony fucking Johnson. By that fatass who lost to a jobber in SK in 20 seconds.

    Overeem would have taken the decision, but guess what: since you didn"t see non-experienced Stoica was winning the round against #1 LHW Ilunga and It"s Showtime champion, I will only take the official result! TURTLE Rozenstruik embarrassed Overeem. And Overeem when he was juicing, DOPED LIKE JON JONES, would have smashed him in 20 seconds. It was a legit stoppage, Overeem was dead.

    I don"t like talking bad about my Surinamese friends, because SLAMM were the biggest friends on our scene. More than Mike Passenier. But UFC is exposed and Dana White is selling trash.
     
  7. Broadcast Farang

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    I do agree with everything you say, kickboxers suck in ground fighting. But does Rozenstruik have WRESTLING guys? I saw only striking. In the case of Oezdemir also.

    Let"s see Rozenstruik next on the ground, plus after even in striking because he"s slow. But if Miocic is the worst HW champion, then he might not meet fast opponents. Basically is a turtle, I watched him against Overeem and didn"t change. Overeem is also a shadow of a fighter, without roiding.

    And Saki didn"t do well for certain reasons. See why Rozenstruik does better. I would have preferred tall kickboxing heavyweights who would have won many easy fights via striking in UFC. But not Schilt or Verhoeven who are not huge strikers. Or slow style Ben Saddik. Ion Cutelaba (who knocked Khalil Rountree) of Moldova was in Bucharest training at Stoica Academy, Andrei also does a little bit MMA. Stoica brothers on striking were superior to Cutelaba (well, more in case of power), same as Catinas and Adegbuyi have embarrassed Gustaffson in Stockholm (ask Ilir Latifi what"s his opinion about Catinas, because he didn"t handle). Also, Adegbuyi was embarrased by Tyson Fury in the UK.

    PS. Khalil Rountree would not stayed with Daniel Ghita NOW more than 2 rounds in the ring, previously 1 (Ghita ate guys like Poturak and Roche at breakfast). With prime Zimmerman he wouldn"t have stayed 2 rounds. Saki beat Ghita in fashion in Turkey, even though Ghita got injured by illegal kick of Saki, but Saki is not such a killer. Can end 3 rounds taking decision.
     
  8. Broadcast Farang

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    I know truth hurts about UFC. Kickboxing jobbers are contenders there. Still, Adesanya was quite good in Glory, only lost by KO to champion Alex Pereira. He was classy technical fighter MW. In a bigger weight division he would not have been so good because he"s skinny type who can"t grow.
     
  9. Super Black Banned Banned

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    Izzy didnt get KOd in Glory he got KOd in Brazil in a Chinese promotion called Glory of Heroes. Best known for their youtube vids with hilariously bad grammar.

     
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  10. Blazeblack Purple Belt

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    Peter Aerts, Branko Cikatić, Ray Sefo, Alexey Ignashov, Stefan Leko, Masaaki Satake, Badr Hari, Gokhan Saki- what do all these guys have in common? They are all legends of the sport, even the least successful among them have won major k-1 qualifying tournaments, several separate world titles and were ranked in the top 5. None of them could even be charitably considered journeyman level mma fighters, dose that make them shitty fighters too?
     
  11. Snubnoze707 High Level

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    Rozenstruik gets dominated by an old Overeem that has a glass jaw for 24.50 minutes, lands one shot in the final 5 seconds resulting in a bad stoppage by the ref and now Superkomat is better than the UFC.

    You gotta love the logic of this moron.
     
  12. Shadess ...

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    Rico Verhoeven def. Daniel Ghiță
    Rico Verhoeven def. Daniel Ghiță
    Guto Inocente def. Benjamin Adegbuyi
    Michał Turyński def. Cătălin Moroșanu

    Glad we can agree on those now.
     
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  13. SandisLL Brown Belt

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    Seriously?
    MMA isn't K-1.

    Better for him might be start to think about better purses ;), after this maybe think about Dana.

    a kick boxer isn't allowed to do MMA stuff in K-1 or KB bout, this is reason why K-1/ KB or even MT isn't ….MMA.
     
  14. Loriquero Green Belt

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    Reem was totally out on feet. Was like he was in LSD wonderland.
     
  15. Snubnoze707 High Level

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    He had already stepped in to wave it off as Reem was popping up. You can't call the fight off just because Rozenstruik acted like it was a walk off KO. Had it been in the middle of the round it would be understandable but there were 3 seconds on the clock.
     
  16. Thesnake101 Think about it, it worth it. Double Yellow Card

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    Volkov never got finished by Tony Johnson, stop talking out of your Romanian loving ass.
     
  17. ConorFacts Banned Banned

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    porn scene and soccer are two different sports, but kickboxing is a part of mma.

    I bet cm punk took his MMA career way more srsly than Saki.

    You need defensive wrestling/grappling as an MMA fighter .. so what?

    Ngannou showed zero hip movement and his heel hook attempt was the biggest lol ever & even 3 weeks old whitebelts are better than that ...
     
  18. ConorFacts Banned Banned

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    that glas jaw fought for the title 2-3 years ago, has 10 times more exp. and it was a short notice fight for fat LHW Roiz.

    That guy trained MMA for mayb 2-3 years max, fought 4 times this year and knocked him the fuck out.
     
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  20. Snubnoze707 High Level

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    I've been a fan of Overeem for over 15 years so I'm well aware of his accolades. You're lying to yourself if you don't think his chin is a liability against a power puncher, yet he managed to employ a double forearms guard successfully like a Kickboxer in this fight until he gassed in the last ten seconds. Typical Overeem blunder, I expected this to happen much earlier in the fight. Still, he was never KO'd.

    The point is still clear in regards to this having no implication about SK being better than the UFC though.
     

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