Former UFC Champion Cain Velasquez sentencing this Monday

Why would his son make up that guy puting his paws on his private parts ? To the point it made Cain, as a father, go as far as do what he did ?

Like why would a 4 year old randomly make up stories about getting touched ?
It's a 4 year old. Again, I don't know how you keep jumping to calling it a lie as if it's some purposeful misleading, as opposed to a mind not processing what's going on. That's how false reports become more prevalent with younger ages. It's a struggle to interpret things.

From the first interviews, it sounded like Cain's son was at the daycare all the time in pants that had zippers. It was reported that the kid struggles with zippers (kids usually get the ability to fully operate all sizes of buttons and zippers altogether in the 4-6 range), but still needed to use the bathroom, which means someone has to help him unzip his pants. It's really not hard to see how that becomes the person touching you in a private area, and it happening "every time," which then becomes '100's of times.'

If someone touches your pants and because of that contact, your pants also contact your dick, you would know well enough to say that they didn't touch your dick, but would a 4 year old parse out that difference? Or the possibility that the kid thinks the entire groin area counts as being his penis being touched? Do you think the sentence "To be more specific, officer, it was direct skin to skin contact between his hand to my penis outside of my pants" is something a 4 year old denotes and verbalizes?
 
Ah, the home arrest stuff. I getcha.

Yeah, I guess. But on the flip side, if people can serve home arrest or labor programs as an alternative to jail sentences, then I guess they gotta count when people are on them before the sentence too. To me though, any kind of presentence monitoring should just be considered monitoring.
It's generally a condition of release to ensure you don't flee prosecution. Credit for time served is for pre-trial custody, for situations where bail is denied or they cannot post bond.
 
It's a 4 year old. Again, I don't know how you keep jumping to calling it a lie as if it's some purposeful misleading, as opposed to a mind not processing what's going on. That's how false reports become more prevalent with younger ages. It's a struggle to interpret things.

From the first interviews, it sounded like Cain's son was at the daycare all the time in pants that had zippers. It was reported that the kid struggles with zippers (kids usually get the ability to fully operate all sizes of buttons and zippers altogether in the 4-6 range), but still needed to use the bathroom, which means someone has to help him unzip his pants. It's really not hard to see how that becomes the person touching you in a private area, and it happening "every time," which then becomes '100's of times.'

If someone touches your pants and because of that contact, your pants also contact your dick, you would know well enough to say that they didn't touch your dick, but would a 4 year old parse out that difference? Or the possibility that the kid thinks the entire groin area counts as being his penis being touched? Do you think the sentence "To be more specific, officer, it was direct skin to skin contact between his hand to my penis outside of my pants" is something a 4 year old denotes and verbalizes?
You're using common sense and logic, so everyone is about to call you a :eek::eek::eek::eek: defender and accuse you of touching children. I have to believe 95% of the people that post here dont have kids because they're talking like a 4 year old communicates like someone with a college education would. And don't get me started on the "he did what any parent would do." Nah, a smart parent would let the law do what the law does, and stay home and protect your family. Dude cost his family millions of dollars in legal fees, and now he's going to prison. Great work retard.

The accused is only accused of doing it one time, the police went with the "The child was there x days, and a child that age uses the bathroom y times, so it's possible it could have happened hundreds of times." They've had zero people come forward with any additional claims against him, they went through every electronic device in the house and haven't charged him with any additional crimes. Looking at all of the claims, and the evidence they've released there was one instance of him helping the child use the bathroom. But of course nobody here wants to hear any of this. One man is accused of abusing a child, and the evidence is flimsy at best. They want him burned alive. Cain chased 3 people down a busy highway shooting out of the window endangering hundreds of people. He shot an innocent person, leaving him with a hand he can longer use. The chase even went past a public school with kids in class, all of them could have been in danger - they think Cain should get an award. If the child's claims are true, that's terrible and I hope the guy is never free again and gets what he deserves every day that he's in prison. But Cain deserves far worse punishment than what he got. Once a month we get a news story of kids riding in cars, and there's some dumb fuck road-rager that accidentally shoots the kid instead of the people they were mad at but sure fuck it lets call Cain a hero because we use to watch him fight on tv.
 
You're using common sense and logic, so everyone is about to call you a :eek::eek::eek::eek: defender and accuse you of touching children. I have to believe 95% of the people that post here dont have kids because they're talking like a 4 year old communicates like someone with a college education would. He's only accused of doing it one time, the police went with the "The child was there x days, and a child that age uses the bathroom y times, so it's possible it could have happened hundreds of times." They've had zero people come forward with any additional claims against him, they went through every electronic device in the house and haven't charged him with any additional crimes. Looking at all of the claims, and the evidence they've released there was one instance of him helping the child use the bathroom. But of course nobody here wants to hear any of this. One man is accused of abusing a child, and the evidence is flimsy at best. They want him burned alive. Cain chased 3 people down a busy highway shooting out of the window endangering hundreds of people. The chase even went past a public school with kids in class, all of them could have been in danger - they think Cain should get an award. If the childs claims are true, thats terrible and I hope the guy is never free again and gets what he deserves every day that he's in prison. But Cain deserves far worse punishment than what he got. Once a month we get a news story of kids riding in cars, and there's some dumb fuck road rager that accidentally shoots the kid instead of the people they were mad at but sure fuck it lets call Cain a hero because we use to watch him fight on tv.

Agreed, though I will leave an amount of room for new evidence. You and I have stated what evidence has come out which is just the initial investigation. Considering it hasn't gone to trial yet, if there has been new evidence, that wouldn't have been released yet. Some people in the area are reporting that they're 'in the know' and that other complaints have come out against the day care in the past. If that all gets brought up, then sure, there's some more smoke and we can reevaluate the presumptive innocence. But until that time, yeah, there are some real fuckin sure people in this forum for no good reason.

The reality is, they want the chance to throw up an anti-:eek::eek::eek::eek: flag to feel special, which comes at the cost of actually hoping a kid wasn't molested. There's legitimately people on this forum who are so invested in their anger on this case, that one of the first feelings they'd get if it came out the guy was innocent would actually be disappointment. And they don't see the irony of how insane that is to normal people, especially with how quick they themselves are to accuse others
 
It's a 4 year old. Again, I don't know how you keep jumping to calling it a lie as if it's some purposeful misleading, as opposed to a mind not processing what's going on. That's how false reports become more prevalent with younger ages. It's a struggle to interpret things.

From the first interviews, it sounded like Cain's son was at the daycare all the time in pants that had zippers. It was reported that the kid struggles with zippers (kids usually get the ability to fully operate all sizes of buttons and zippers altogether in the 4-6 range), but still needed to use the bathroom, which means someone has to help him unzip his pants. It's really not hard to see how that becomes the person touching you in a private area, and it happening "every time," which then becomes '100's of times.'

If someone touches your pants and because of that contact, your pants also contact your dick, you would know well enough to say that they didn't touch your dick, but would a 4 year old parse out that difference? Or the possibility that the kid thinks the entire groin area counts as being his penis being touched? Do you think the sentence "To be more specific, officer, it was direct skin to skin contact between his hand to my penis outside of my pants" is something a 4 year old denotes and verbalizes?

Dont forget to bring up your Santa Claus story


"My kid thought the Easter Bunny was Santa Claus so all P...'s are innocent!"


<lmao> <lmao> <lmao> <lmao>
 
I haven't been following this. What happened and what's the verdict?
 
good for cain, too bad for man shot. Hes a likable guy and was a great fighter in his day. UFC's Fedor tho i think Fedor is the GOAT.
 
He wasn't in charge of the place, he had a different job. It was his missus, the accused molesters mum that was in charge of the place. He was definitely an innocent civilian that was shot and lost use of his hand in this case.
Interesting, I was going off memory reading Wikipedia about the incident. I remember lots of people saying it was just a relative who had nothing to do with the molestation, but read something about the dad running the place where it happened.

Stopped writing and looked at the wiki again, so wiki does say the mother and stepfather ran the daycare where Cain's kid was molested. Also in the car was the mother, stepfather, and son (who molested Cain's kid). With those facts, fuck them, no sympathy to anyone in that car. They were either negligent, covering for their kid, or involved enough where they deserved the risk of being shot. At the very least they raised their kid and sometimes parents have to pay for kid's actions.
People are rightfully upset that he had a high speed car chase through naighbourhoods and around schools shotting his gun out his window. I understand him ebing upset, but he only by pur eluck did not kill or injure multiple people. he litterally ran out of ammoa nd had to reload, shooting willy nilly out of his truck window while chasing him down at high speeds. You just can't do that wihtout consequence.
I get it, but the law is flat and has no recognition beyond basic facts. You could even say Cain's decision was "worse" by law because he planned it out and executed it, but in reality the more dangerous criminal is someone who just snaps and shoots random people driving. If people can have sympathy for the woman who shot the molester in the court room and let her off, I would say there should be some sympathy for Cain. So I think 5 years is a suitable sentence, not the 25 to life bullshit.
What about firing a gun erratically on a highway while driving a car at a high rate of speed? Even if he doesn’t hit anyone that’s an offense that isn’t going unpunished.
I think about myself as a bystander in a car next to the shooting going on, to me it makes a whole lot difference for my anger in that situation. If he's shooting people randomly sure, I'm gonna testify against his ass and get him off the street. With Cain's situation where no one was hit, I'm either trying to give him a good testimony or not showing up whatever's better for him.

I really hate child molestors so I would take it further that I would trade the streets filled with gangs/robbery we have today for guys shooting :eek::eek::eek::eek:files in a heartbeat. Especially if it's the parents or someone who cares for the child. Sometimes I think :eek::eek::eek::eek:s act because they don't fear the law, but maybe back in the wild west days I bet it was much lower where vigilante justice was more common.
 
Cain tries to kill alleged sons molester. Shoots the father in law. Pleads no contest. Prosecution asked for 30 to life. Judge gave him 5 years with 3 served. Pretty good outcome.
Was it ever confirmed if the guy he was trying to kill was actually a :eek::eek::eek::eek:? If so, was he arrested and tried?

I sympathize with Cain, but he was way too reckless in his rampage
 
It's a 4 year old. Again, I don't know how you keep jumping to calling it a lie as if it's some purposeful misleading, as opposed to a mind not processing what's going on. That's how false reports become more prevalent with younger ages. It's a struggle to interpret things.

From the first interviews, it sounded like Cain's son was at the daycare all the time in pants that had zippers. It was reported that the kid struggles with zippers (kids usually get the ability to fully operate all sizes of buttons and zippers altogether in the 4-6 range), but still needed to use the bathroom, which means someone has to help him unzip his pants. It's really not hard to see how that becomes the person touching you in a private area, and it happening "every time," which then becomes '100's of times.'

If someone touches your pants and because of that contact, your pants also contact your dick, you would know well enough to say that they didn't touch your dick, but would a 4 year old parse out that difference? Or the possibility that the kid thinks the entire groin area counts as being his penis being touched? Do you think the sentence "To be more specific, officer, it was direct skin to skin contact between his hand to my penis outside of my pants" is something a 4 year old denotes and verbalizes?
By the time the kid is like 8 he is gonna be able to tell it more precisely. Really crazy that someone would get shot over a kid getting help to pee ?

Crazy world

I don't have kids nor am in tune with pdf accusations and cases.

In any case it's really really crazy. Both options are just crazy. That he got mollested and also that he miscommunicated something and someone got shot for it and someone is 5 years in prison for it.

Bizzare either way
 
Cain got his sentence and will serve his time. He was wreck less and injured someone. He was charged. I think you also have to look at the state of mind of someone who thinks his kid was molested, and that factored into the lighter sentence.
 
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