Former UFC Champion Cain Velasquez sentencing this Monday

[Tweak896]

He wasn't in charge of the place, he had a different job. It was his missus, the accused molesters mum that was in charge of the place. He was definitely an innocent civilian that was shot and lost use of his hand in this case.

Interesting, I was going off memory reading Wikipedia about the incident. I remember lots of people saying it was just a relative who had nothing to do with the molestation, but read something about the dad running the place where it happened.

Stopped writing and looked at the wiki again, so wiki does say the mother and stepfather ran the daycare where Cain's kid was molested. Also in the car was the mother, stepfather, and son (who molested Cain's kid). With those facts, fuck them, no sympathy to anyone in that car. They were either negligent, covering for their kid, or involved enough where they deserved the risk of being shot. At the very least they raised their kid and sometimes parents have to pay for kid's actions.

People are rightfully upset that he had a high speed car chase through naighbourhoods and around schools shotting his gun out his window. I understand him ebing upset, but he only by pur eluck did not kill or injure multiple people. he litterally ran out of ammoa nd had to reload, shooting willy nilly out of his truck window while chasing him down at high speeds. You just can't do that wihtout consequence.

I get it, but the law is flat and has no recognition beyond basic facts. You could even say Cain's decision was "worse" by law because he planned it out and executed it, but in reality the more dangerous criminal is someone who just snaps and shoots random people driving. If people can have sympathy for the woman who shot the molester in the court room and let her off, I would say there should be some sympathy for Cain. So I think 5 years is a suitable sentence, not the 25 to life bullshit.

What about firing a gun erratically on a highway while driving a car at a high rate of speed? Even if he doesn’t hit anyone that’s an offense that isn’t going unpunished.

I think about myself as a bystander in a car next to the shooting going on, to me it makes a whole lot difference for my anger in that situation. If he's shooting people randomly sure, I'm gonna testify against his ass and get him off the street. With Cain's situation where no one was hit, I'm either trying to give him a good testimony or not showing up whatever's better for him.

I really hate child molestors so I would take it further that I would trade the streets filled with gangs/robbery we have today for guys shooting files in a heartbeat. Especially if it's the parents or someone who cares for the child. Sometimes I think s act because they don't fear the law, but maybe back in the wild west days I bet it was much lower where vigilante justice was more common.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Cain tries to kill alleged sons molester. Shoots the father in law. Pleads no contest. Prosecution asked for 30 to life. Judge gave him 5 years with 3 served. Pretty good outcome.

Was it ever confirmed if the guy he was trying to kill was actually a ? If so, was he arrested and tried?

I sympathize with Cain, but he was way too reckless in his rampage

 

[Trabaho]

It's a 4 year old. Again, I don't know how you keep jumping to calling it a lie as if it's some purposeful misleading, as opposed to a mind not processing what's going on. That's how false reports become more prevalent with younger ages. It's a struggle to interpret things.

From the first interviews, it sounded like Cain's son was at the daycare all the time in pants that had zippers. It was reported that the kid struggles with zippers (kids usually get the ability to fully operate all sizes of buttons and zippers altogether in the 4-6 range), but still needed to use the bathroom, which means someone has to help him unzip his pants. It's really not hard to see how that becomes the person touching you in a private area, and it happening "every time," which then becomes '100's of times.'

If someone touches your pants and because of that contact, your pants also contact your dick, you would know well enough to say that they didn't touch your dick, but would a 4 year old parse out that difference? Or the possibility that the kid thinks the entire groin area counts as being his penis being touched? Do you think the sentence "To be more specific, officer, it was direct skin to skin contact between his hand to my penis outside of my pants" is something a 4 year old denotes and verbalizes?

By the time the kid is like 8 he is gonna be able to tell it more precisely. Really crazy that someone would get shot over a kid getting help to pee ?

Crazy world

I don't have kids nor am in tune with pdf accusations and cases.

In any case it's really really crazy. Both options are just crazy. That he got mollested and also that he miscommunicated something and someone got shot for it and someone is 5 years in prison for it.

Bizzare either way

 

[RockyLockridge]

I haven't been following this. What happened and what's the verdict?

Cain only got 5 years and I believe he's served 2 and a bit

 

[I Am Legion]

Cain got his sentence and will serve his time. He was wreck less and injured someone. He was charged. I think you also have to look at the state of mind of someone who thinks his kid was molested, and that factored into the lighter sentence.

 

[chill doggie]

It's a 4 year old. Again, I don't know how you keep jumping to calling it a lie as if it's some purposeful misleading, as opposed to a mind not processing what's going on. That's how false reports become more prevalent with younger ages. It's a struggle to interpret things.

From the first interviews, it sounded like Cain's son was at the daycare all the time in pants that had zippers. It was reported that the kid struggles with zippers (kids usually get the ability to fully operate all sizes of buttons and zippers altogether in the 4-6 range), but still needed to use the bathroom, which means someone has to help him unzip his pants. It's really not hard to see how that becomes the person touching you in a private area, and it happening "every time," which then becomes '100's of times.'

If someone touches your pants and because of that contact, your pants also contact your dick, you would know well enough to say that they didn't touch your dick, but would a 4 year old parse out that difference? Or the possibility that the kid thinks the entire groin area counts as being his penis being touched? Do you think the sentence "To be more specific, officer, it was direct skin to skin contact between his hand to my penis outside of my pants" is something a 4 year old denotes and verbalizes?

Part of the allegations is that he also exposed himself to the child.

You and that other guy show preconceived bias against the testimony of any child because of their age, showing that you’re unfit and unqualified to evaluate one.
When I was 5 I could read, write, memorize and recite a poem that was like 3 or 4 paragraphs, and I had a friend in kindergarten that learned to read when he was 4.
At that age many of us already knew to watch out for strangers, adults or older kids that demonstrated shady and worrisome intentions, either our parents told us or we saw it on TV (back then they broadcasted an advertising campaign to prevent child abuse by raising children’s awareness)

Sure not every kid demonstrates the same level of awareness or cognitive development, but at that age a child can feel they are being manipulated into doing something that feels wrong, shameful, whilst being told not to tell anyone.

“A certified child forensic interviewer and detectives determined that a crime occurred in the daycare’s bathroom, Detective Hakeem Lee wrote in a police report.”
“The child victim said the suspect told him not to tell anyone.”

 

[I Am Legion]

By the time the kid is like 8 he is gonna be able to tell it more precisely. Really crazy that someone would get shot over a kid getting help to pee ?

Crazy world

I don't have kids nor am in tune with pdf accusations and cases.

In any case it's really really crazy. Both options are just crazy. That he got mollested and also that he miscommunicated something and someone got shot for it and someone is 5 years in prison for it.

Bizzare either way

I have been a coach my whole life. Have kids, love kids, don't have a sick bone in my body. But you NEVER take a kid to the bathroom alone. EVER. Especially not a male. Not in todays world. For all of you saying the kid could be wrong or lying, how about all the kids that ARE molested. I bet that outweighs the false accusations 10-1.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Part of the allegations is that he also exposed himself to the child.

You and that other guy show preconceived bias against the testimony of any child because of their age, showing that you’re unfit and unqualified to evaluate one.
When I was 5 I could read, write, memorize and recite a poem that was like 3 or 4 paragraphs, and I had a friend in kindergarten that learned to read when he was 4.
At that age many of us already knew to watch out for strangers, adults or older kids that demonstrated shady and worrisome intentions, either our parents told us or we saw it on TV (back then they broadcasted an advertising campaign to prevent child abuse by raising children’s awareness)

Sure not every kid demonstrates the same level of awareness or cognitive development, but at that age a child can feel they are being manipulated into doing something that feels wrong, shameful, whilst being told not to tell anyone.

“A certified child forensic interviewer and detectives determined that a crime occurred in the daycare’s bathroom, Detective Hakeem Lee wrote in a police report.”
“The child victim said the suspect told him not to tell anyone.”

When even adult testimony isn't reliable, (and not even because of purposeful lying, but perception of events) and there is a much higher statistical unreliability for children's testimony, then reminding people that it might not be true isn't a "bias." As a matter of fact, your feelings are quite the opposite, where you bring in your anecdotal examples of what you think a child can understand, therefore believing at face value that all children understand it is a bias.

I have been a coach my whole life. Have kids, love kids, don't have a sick bone in my body. But you NEVER take a kid to the bathroom alone. EVER. Especially not a male. Not in todays world. For all of you saying the kid could be wrong or lying, how about all the kids that ARE molested. I bet that outweighs the false accusations 10-1.

Is it 10-0?

Was it ever confirmed if the guy he was trying to kill was actually a ? If so, was he arrested and tried?

I sympathize with Cain, but he was way too reckless in his rampage

His trial is in June

 

[Cajun]

I have been a coach my whole life. Have kids, love kids, don't have a sick bone in my body. But you NEVER take a kid to the bathroom alone. EVER. Especially not a male. Not in todays world. For all of you saying the kid could be wrong or lying, how about all the kids that ARE molested. I bet that outweighs the false accusations 10-1.

Some very good points in this post.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Soooo..according to prison protocol, Cain immediately had to find the toughest prisoner and flatline him. He will gain respect and not be messed with.

Prison life will be pretty sweet for him.

If p-dos are hated, then those who try to kill them are surely exalted. Plus, he's a former UFC heavyweight champ, pretty likable to begin with, and also 6'1", 250+ lbs with a big ass Brown Pride tattoo.

Loooooms

 

[chill doggie]

When even adult testimony isn't reliable, (and not even because of purposeful lying, but perception of events) and there is a much higher statistical unreliability for children's testimony, then reminding people that it might not be true isn't a "bias." As a matter of fact, your feelings are quite the opposite, where you bring in your anecdotal examples of what you think a child can understand, therefore believing at face value that all children understand it is a bias.

There’s a difference between perceiving that a robber was wearing brown shoes instead of black ones, and perception of a macro scale event where something concrete happened like you were touched, were shown things, and it felt wrong, weird, shameful, uncomfortable, and you were told not to tell anyone.
Don’t know why you would make the gross generalization that “adult testimony isn’t reliable,” I think you’re conflating memory recollection with “anything a person says.”

I acknowledged from the beginning that these are allegations, and said “if it happened or not for Cain it was real.” That is just a formal acknowledgement that the guy hasn’t been sentenced guilty in a court of law, and he should have the opportunity to provide any evidence or argument to the contrary.

But you’re “reminding people it might not be true” without looking into the allegations thoroughly.
Just writing your own what-ifs.

You’re steelmanning this position from an angle of casting doubt just because of the kids age, instead of bringing up facts like how a child forensic interviewer and detectives determined that a crime occurred.

 

[g*r*b]

lol, what did he learn? He knew these consequences when he acted the first time, he had time to reflect and think, you don’t think he knew he could have killed bystanders by rampage rage killing?

He knew, blinded my rage, he didn’t care.
I wouldn’t be shocked if he hurts someone 10 years from now over some stupid barroom insult.

Could Cain become peaceful and model citizen for the rest of his life? Sure, would it surprise me if he had anger issues and beat someone up for insulting him or his family? Not really.

There is abstract knowing and concrete knowing. It's sort of like a hot undefeated prospect coming up the ranks; sure he's been told that on any given night it's possible for any fighter to lose, but he doesn't really think it will happen to HIM...until it does.

I can't believe that Cain already hasn't had his share of barroom provocations if he's the barroom-going type. There's too many people out there who develop "beer muscles", as Stipe put it; when drunk they think it's a perfectly sensible thing to challenge Mr So-and-So Professional Fighter to a fight. If Cain does get into one 10 years down the line it'll be because CTE finally kicked in, not his nature.

 

[gspieler]

It's pretty easy to argue this wasn't the heat of the moment, nor was it protect his family. It was planned action nearly a week after the guy was arrested and under court supervision. Cain tried to take the law into his own hands as the law already had their hands on it. The good news is he can be with his family soon, but yeah, as you said, a huge divergence from civilized society

It was not a mistake, it was deliberate and premeditated attempted murder. Anyone else would be doing decades to life. Was a slap on the wrist and no surprise.

I don’t know all of the details of this case. But my understanding is that some guy was suspected/charged with sexually assaulting Cain’s preschool-aged child. And that Cain attempted to chase the guy down and shoot him, but ended up shooting the guy’s step-dad by instead. Premeditated or not, it was an emotion-based crime. And when you suspect someone of a crime of that nature against your child, you’re not going to be in your right mind. I’ll reiterate I think 5 years is fair.

 

[irish_thug]

Cain tries to kill alleged sons molester. Shoots the father in law. Pleads no contest. Prosecution asked for 30 to life. Judge gave him 5 years with 3 served. Pretty good outcome.

Did he get credit for three years?

 

[The XL]

Cain got off way too easy. I am surprised he didnt get atleast 10 to life.

Why would he get life for a crime where no one died? Most murderers don't get life

 

[Cajun]

Did he get credit for three years?

Yes. So this term will be short especially on good behavior.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Why would he get life for a crime where no one died? Most murderers don't get life

25 years is considered a life sentence.

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

I'm European sherbro. Always willing to learn though.

Ok, fine you get a pass. Trump can't pardon State crimes. Cain was found guilty in California on State Charges. Only the acting Governor of that state can Pardon him. Trump can only give Pardons for federal crimes.

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

Why would he get life for a crime where no one died? Most murderers don't get life

lol what?

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Did he get credit for three years?

He wasn't in jail for 3 years, why would he get time served for time he didn't spend in jail?