Former UFC Champion Cain Velasquez sentencing this Monday

chill doggie said:
I didn't mean to quote you to say these two prove a statistically a common response, but hurting a person's children in this manner is one of the most egregious transgressions that could push a person over the edge. It is never a surprise to hear someone reacted in an extreme manner in these cases.
This has always been old fashion common knowledge, you hurt someone's most precious loved ones' and they might just kill you in a fit of rage.

"In October 2024, Aaron Spencer, a 36-year-old father from Arkansas, was charged with first-degree murder after fatally shooting Michael Fosler, 67. Fosler had previously been charged with stalking and sexually assaulting Spencer's 14-year-old daughter and was under a "no contact" order. Spencer discovered Fosler with his daughter and, in a confrontation, shot him. Defense attorneys considered a "heat of passion" defense, arguing that Spencer acted out of emotional disturbance upon finding Fosler with his daughter. Alternatively, they contemplated a self-defense argument, asserting that Spencer feared for his daughter's life. Legal experts emphasized the importance of the incident's timeline and law enforcement's prior response in determining the justification for the shooting. The case highlighted the complexities surrounding parental instincts, legal boundaries, and the pursuit of justice."
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Cain’s case is almost less extreme than any of these. The guy hasn’t been remotely shown to be guilty aside from what his child has said.

Cain didn’t see nor view it, had Cain witnessed it, of course the trauma would be much more understood.

This is his kid saying it, his kid is young, way too young to even know what is sexual molestation. I don’t know what his kids exact words were and it no doubt would hurt any parent.

I would think my initial reaction is anger and with a feeling of wanting to know what exactly happened especially if the testimony is from someone who is 5. It would not be I gotta kill this man especially if I had time to reflect.
 
koa pomaikai said:
Strongly disagree Cain’s sole action make him a danger to society. He is likely to disproportionately respond with violence when provoked.

It’s not just criminals that are a danger to society, it’s also people who are quick to resort violence and have little impulse control.

5 years is too lax for this. It’s bullshit.
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We'll just disagree. Like I said in my first post, I would have gave him 6 years. That's still probably too lax for you.

When he gets out, if he does something violent again, throw the book at him. But for now he's just a man who made a very very stupid mistake and hopefully he's learned a lesson. You can't keep people in prison for what they might do in the future.
 
On what basis did the prosecution have to ask for 30+ years? He didn't kill anybody, most murderers don't even get that
 
Bojka said:
Those people were presumably sentenced and shot the offender rather than someone else in the car. Cain also endangered other bystanders as others said. I'd care a lot less if he just shot the guy after he was convicted without endangering anyone else.
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Lol Plauché shot the offender in the airport when he was being escorted by police, effectively endangering the officials and the public, and even showed direct evidence of premeditation by wearing shades and a hat to conceal his identity as well as pretending to be on the pay phone to ambush him like a badass assassin.


And Nesler shot the guy in the damn courtroom.
 
bubbleboyjones said:
Bro that is my point....you can get a slap on the wrist punishment depending on your previous record(or lack of one) You are even proving my point going off on how great Cain's character is and his previous record. You are the one who said 'it wasn't some slap on the wrist' and I'm pointing out a case where fucking some chick on the beach can get you years in prison depending how the Judge views you.

There are a wide variety of circumstances that determine your sentence from any judge from being harsh to a slap on the wrist. That guy got 2.5 years because of he previous record so he got a harsher sentence. Cain got a slap on the wrist because of his clean record and celebrity.
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I mean, yeah dude if you don't commit any crimes in your life and are a good citizen and then do something that's very stupid you're more likely to get a lenient sentence than someone who does have a criminal record and is proven to do that sort of thing. This is just common sense.

People make mistakes, he's not a career criminal. 5 years is a pretty decent chunk of his life in a case where nobody died.
 
Pittie Petey said:
Theres a difference between sticking to your own kind and actually joining a prison gang, he will most likely be expected to do the first one(within reason) just like everyone else but I doubt he's gonna be functioning with a regiment and doing removals on the tier
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Expected? He starts sitting at the black table he's going to be in for some issues
 
People will know Cain is a high profile UFC fighter and that he's going in for trying to take out a PDF File. He'll be respected and fine.

Glad he only caught 5. Will probably get released earlier on good behavior.
 
I gota serious question. Does Cains background automatically make him a pod boss? He has a brown pride tat on chest does that mean be can't mingle wit the whites n black folk?
 
Mohawk Banditó said:
Weird to put all that and then save "I have zero idea what I'm talking about" for the end.
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I know they didn't present any direct evidence of premeditation, and I sort of remembered he followed the parents at first but I couldn't find that information again so I wasn't sure anymore.
Doesn't mean the same as having no idea, I have a pretty good idea that they couldn't argue that it was a cold-blooded premeditated murder attempt. If the DA wanted 30 years he would have presented evidence to prove it.
 
ermac88 said:
Does anyone where Cain will serve time?


More importantly what gang he may have to claim if in Cali ?
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No one could possibly know because it hasn't been determined. He will have a high number of points for his crime, so he will certainly be a level 4 prisoner.

There are a couple of receiving centers he could go to before that gets sorted out and ironically, one of them is Wasco State Prison receiving center, which is where Jo Son murdered his cellmate. I kid you not.

As far his situation in prison, I won't get into debating the people who have no idea what they're talking about in this thread, but I will say I doubt he will have issues as far as gang identification and that sort of thing. I'm sure they're not going to put him on a regular yard given who he is. CDCR doesn't want the bad publicity of something happening to a celebrity inmate. Cain will have a choice as far as what he gets involved with, especially since he is only doing 1 year; I'm sure he will make good choices.
 
Snubnoze707 said:
People will know Cain is a high profile UFC fighter and that he's going in for trying to take out a PDF File. He'll be respected and fine.

Glad he only caught 5. Will probably get released earlier on good behavior.
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Or he'll be a massive target for someone looking to earn their stripes. Truth is we have no idea what's going to happen. He's not Mike Tyson. Cain isn't a world wide phenomenon like that. And the giant chest tattoo probably won't make it any easier in there.
 
I wont wish more time on a man for defending his family I just want equitable punishment for offenses for all people
 
5 years with time served sounds reasonable to me. Cain made a big mistake...but it was an understandable mistake, done in the heat of the moment, and ultimately trying to protect his family. Unfortunately, though, blood was shed, and not even the intended target. So there has to be consequences, if we're going to live in anything resembling a civilized society. May god bless him, and his family.
 
Domitian said:
I mean, yeah dude if you don't commit any crimes in your life and are a good citizen and then do something that's very stupid you're more likely to get a lenient sentence than someone who does have a criminal record and is proven to do that sort of thing. This is just common sense.

People make mistakes, he's not a career criminal. 5 years is a pretty decent chunk of his life in a case where nobody died.
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LMAO you just said it there. Lenient sentence = slap on the wrist.


Dude it's the same thing.


Attempted first degree murder with multiple additional charges with firearm, assault with deadly weapon, carrying with intent to commit, and doing this all on a public road...etc. He had a million dollar bail. Yes he got a lenient sentence because of being a good citizen ....or some people use the slang 'slap on the wrist'

Lets use good old Google AI!
In a court context, "slap on the wrist" refers to a mild or lenient punishment .......
 
evergreenrider said:
Or he'll be a massive target for someone looking to earn their stripes. Truth is we have no idea what's going to happen. He's not Mike Tyson. Cain isn't a world wide phenomenon like that. And the giant chest tattoo probably won't make it any easier in there.
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Nah, he'll be 1000% fine. A tattoo like "Brown Pride" is not even remotely novel in prison.
 
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