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Economy For the American members on here are you for or against 25% tariffs on Canada?

For the American members on here are you for or against 25% tariffs on Canada?


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I’m for them until Canada and Mexico do their part on stopping fentanyl from coming across our borders. I know so many people that have lost loved ones from fentanyl. Trump is doing something about it unlike our previous administration. When they start doing their part, the tariffs will be lowered.
In terms of Fentanyl, Canada shouldn't even be in the conversation. 99% of that shit is coming from Mexico. For example, 43lbs of Fentanyl has been seized at the US/Canada border since late 2023. 21,000lbs has been seized at the Mexican border in the same amount of time. We're not the problem when it comes to that shit.
 
In terms of Fentanyl, Canada shouldn't even be in the conversation. 99% of that shit is coming from Mexico. For example, 43lbs of Fentanyl has been seized at the US/Canada border since late 2023. 21,000lbs has been seized at the Mexican border in the same amount of time. We're not the problem when it comes to that shit.
Honestly I love Canadians. Play music there all the time. I agree with you, Mexico is the problem so I shouldn’t have lumped Canadians in there. I’m sure there’s a reason, but I am not entirely sure why Trump is hitting Canada with a high tariff.
 
Honestly I love Canadians. Play music there all the time. I agree with you, Mexico is the problem so I shouldn’t have lumped Canadians in there. I’m sure there’s a reason, but I am not entirely sure why Trump is hitting Canada with a high tariff.
Because he runs things like a business, and feels we're ripping his company off. That's what it all comes down to on our side. He also knows that we're incredibly vulnerable, thanks to Trudeau running the country into the ground for the past 10 years. Things are so bad that we might actually have to consider his offer to buy us out, if he ever makes one.
 
I don't understand the economics behind this threat with Canada. I get it with Mexico and overseas, sure.. but I'm not sure what the purpose is for Canada unless it is just economic pressure to join the US like has been mentioned in this thread and hinted elsewhere.. are they really ripping off this badly where it is needed?
 
He has said if Canada can clean up the border situation there will be no tariffs. The corrupt Liberal government instead of doing this has decided to fight Trump on this issue. This is a huge admission that all the immigration and border failures of the last ten years have been by design. They would rather sink the economy than give up the globalist agenda.
what is this globalist agenda as it relates to borders? and who are the globalists?
 
Trump arguing with Canada

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Tariff they was just part of tough loves 💯 On truth dissemination platform Rednote we was having this saying 不打不成才 , which was similar to forgotten Western proverb of you was spare the rod you spoil the child. This was all been in name of preventing Oppressive Immigrant Imperialist regime from destroying Western values🙏✝️

#NoPunishmentNoProgress #injesushisname #GlobalUnification
 
what is this globalist agenda as it relates to borders? and who are the globalists?
Agenda 2030 for Sustainable Development and the global compact for migration drafted by the UN. Every western country on the fucking planet has had massive increases in immigration and. Illegal immigration has been facilitated by governments around the world. Suppressed wages and opportunity for native populations, this benefits nobody but the multinational corporations and the globalist entities that facilitate all of this.

You don't think globalism is a real thing ? you don't think the WEF agendas coming to fruition is a real thing ?

What other possible motives could there be for running an intentionally weak border ? spell it out for me
 
I can't speak for the rest of my fellow Americans but I personally am willing to give up my share of any tariff money that might be added to America coffers in a straight trade for katheryn winnick.

Keep your money and bring her to me.
 
Agenda 2030 for Sustainable Development and the global compact for migration drafted by the UN. Every western country on the fucking planet has had massive increases in immigration and. Illegal immigration has been facilitated by governments around the world.
i certainly agree that migration (not illegal migration) is being welcomed much more now than it was in years past. i don't have a problem with this.

Suppressed wages and opportunity for native populations, this benefits nobody but the multinational corporations and the globalist entities that facilitate all of this.
and who are those entities?

You don't think globalism is a real thing ? you don't think the WEF agendas coming to fruition is a real thing ?

What other possible motives could there be for running an intentionally weak border ? spell it out for me
to provide human beings the freedom to go where they want lol
 
i certainly agree that migration (not illegal migration) is being welcomed much more now than it was in years past. i don't have a problem with this.


and who are those entities?


to provide human beings the freedom to go where they want lol
So you have no problems with the consequences of this ? Depressed wages, housing shortages, loss of job opportunities for native population, increased rate of poverty, increases in crime, lack of integration, demoralization and loss of national identities ?

What benefits are there ? Corporations can pay lower wages and increase profits ? I already answered your question as to who they are, which is stupid, unless you don't understand what the term globalist even means. Quit playing games and answer my questions.


We already had sensible immigration policies for decades before it was decided to kick the numbers into overdrive.
 
So you have no problems with the consequences of this ? Depressed wages, housing shortages, loss of job opportunities for native population, increased rate of poverty, increases in crime, lack of integration, demoralization and loss of national identities ?
immigration, on its own, doesn't cause any of those things. what you have a problem with, is capitalism.
What benefits are there ?
people get to live where they want.
Corporations can pay lower wages and increase profits ?
lmfao again man, sounds like you would be better off attacking capitalism.
I already answered your question as to who they are, which is stupid, unless you don't understand what the term globalist even means. Quit playing games and answer my questions.
no. no you didn't. if someone asks you "who" you should be responding with names, at best, or at least unnamed people. you answered with a vague concept of maybe people. tell me WHO. hilarious to pretend I'M the one playing games here.
 
immigration, on its own, doesn't cause any of those things. what you have a problem with, is capitalism.

people get to live where they want.

lmfao again man, sounds like you would be better off attacking capitalism.

no. no you didn't. if someone asks you "who" you should be responding with names, at best, or at least unnamed people. you answered with a vague concept of maybe people. tell me WHO. hilarious to pretend I'M the one playing games here.
Globalism and capitalism are two interconnected systems, it makes no sense to blame this on one but not the other.

MASSIVE NUMBERS IMMIGRATION is what causes all of those problems, do you even supply and demand bro ?
Please explain how all of those issues wouldn't exist under a different governmental system while still bringing in excessive numbers of immigrants.

Names ? how fucking clueless can somebody body be. You think there are singular human beings who control of this ? that is not the argument nor has it ever been. This is cooperation between multinational corporations, government leaders whose members change intermittently.

Asking me to name names is like asking an ACAB guy to name which cops are corrupt in order to prove that corrupt cops. Just a stupid childish game.

If you really believe people should just be able to live wherever they want please explain how that would work without economic devastation.
 
Globalism and capitalism are two interconnected systems, it makes no sense to blame this on one but not the other.
i don't necessarily agree, if globalism is indeed what you're describing it as.
MASSIVE NUMBERS IMMIGRATION is what causes all of those problems, do you even supply and demand bro ?
Please explain how all of those issues wouldn't exist under a different governmental system while still bringing in excessive numbers of immigrants.
because they exist in countries without immigrants. they exist because governments give corporations the rights of individuals and the freedom to both pay and charge whatever they want with no functional input from their greater labor force or customers. immigration would not lower the wages of anything if immigrants had a say in what they were paid, but they don't, because of capitalism.
Names ? how fucking clueless can somebody body be. You think there are singular human beings who control of this ? that is not the argument nor has it ever been. This is cooperation between multinational corporations, government leaders whose members change intermittently.
so every government leader and every multinational corporation then?
Asking me to name names is like asking an ACAB guy to name which cops are corrupt in order to prove that corrupt cops. Just a stupid childish game.

If you really believe people should just be able to live wherever they want please explain how that would work without economic devastation.
well if it's not every single corporation that benefits from it, i would think that'd narrow down the list, and we could look at who owns those corporations. and if it's ONLY multinational corporations benefitting financially with the help of the government, shouldn't you be asking for more restrictions on the freedoms of multinational corporations, rather than not allowing poor people into the country?

personally i think what you're more concerned with is something you glossed over earlier.

"national identity"
 
I mean 1) fuck Canada. So let's just be clear my opinion isn't in defense of them

But inflation is still high and it feels like it's teetering on the edge of a knife if it'll shoot back up to the insane levels that it was at. American import companies paying 25% more for Canadian goods will send it over that edge.
 
Why does Canada get 25% on tariffs, but China only gets 10%?
Sounds like Trump is in bed with China.
Trump fucking loves China! Who are we kidding?

China got the best deal for tariffs on the planet!
No other country even compares!
 
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i don't necessarily agree, if globalism is indeed what you're describing it as.

because they exist in countries without immigrants. they exist because governments give corporations the rights of individuals and the freedom to both pay and charge whatever they want with no functional input from their greater labor force or customers. immigration would not lower the wages of anything if immigrants had a say in what they were paid, but they don't, because of capitalism.

so every government leader and every multinational corporation then?

well if it's not every single corporation that benefits from it, i would think that'd narrow down the list, and we could look at who owns those corporations. and if it's ONLY multinational corporations benefitting financially with the help of the government, shouldn't you be asking for more restrictions on the freedoms of multinational corporations, rather than not allowing poor people into the country?

personally i think what you're more concerned with is something you glossed over earlier.

"national identity"
You don't agree that globalism is connected to capitalism ? Please explain how they are seperate entities.

Which countries exist that have no immigrants ? There are exactly zero in the first world, exactly zero that can provide anywhere near a reasonable standard of living. Further more there has never been a country in modern history that could provide a good standard of living without capitalism. When we talk about the failures of capitalism, it seems like you are advocating for communism as a solution. You fail to realize that late stage capitalism and communism is essentially the same in the end. The ultra wealthy buying up everything and perpetuating a slave class across the board. That is what globalism is at this stage.

Immigration absolutely lowers wages when there is more people brought in than there is job to be taken. When population is going up at higher rate than new homes are being built they get more expensive.

Yes losing national identity is an important issue, if the population is not united they are going to be easier to control.
 
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