International Trump: 25% tariffs on Mexican and Canadian imports will start Tuesday, with ‘no room’ for delay

[Lycandroid]

90% of what?

Why are you asking stupid questions you already have the answer to while ignoring everything else ?

Little bitch confirmed.

 

[Rational Poster]

Why are you asking stupid questions you already have the answer to while ignoring everything else ?

Little bitch confirmed.

I mean that's the only question I've ever asked in this convo and you still haven't been able to respond to it.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

I have yes, the limited measures we have implemented have shown a great increase in seizures. You counter argued that this is just because there is such little fentanyl crossing, when you go from zero to 1 it's a 100% increase.

The US government says it's an issue, CBSA whistleblowers say its an issue, but the corrupt liberal government says otherwise. It could be possible that they are right, so I will ask again why are they not doing everything they can to prove once and for all this is not an issue if they are so confident, instead everything they do is denial or sweeping it under the rug.

Secondly I asked where I said that I want tariffs on my country and you respond with this.

Don't reply to my post if you are going to be a little bitch and pick and choose which points you address while conveniently dismissing the ones you can't

Do you really believe that Fentanyl from Canada is the real or even major reason he started this tariff war?

 

[Lycandroid]

Do you really believe that Fentanyl from Canada is the real or even major reason he started this tariff war?

Whether or not it is the actual reason is up for debate, what isn't up for debate is that it is a real issue. If Trump didn't exist we should still be addressing this problem instead of pretending it doesn't exist. We should be doing every thing we can to fight the opioid crisis on every front, it's a manner of saving lives vs letting them continue to die.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Whether or not it is the actual reason is up for debate, what isn't up for debate is that it is a real issue. If Trump didn't exist we should still be addressing this problem instead of pretending it doesn't exist. We should be doing every thing we can to fight the opioid crisis on every front, it's a manner of saving lives vs letting them continue to die.

Of course it's a real issue and always will be, I agree with you. It's also an issue that illegal and smuggled US firearms have helped proliferate the drug illicit drug trade and need to be dealt with.

Now let's debate the actual reason for the tariffs as well, do you believe the Fentanyl issue is the major reason for his tariffs on Canada?

 

[Intermission]

Why do you think it's a beautiful idea to produce all stuff locally?
Do you understand the benefits of trade?
The price of everything is now going up.

so why is he doing it?

 

[Lycandroid]

Of course it's a real issue and always will be, I agree with you. It's also an issue that illegal and smuggled US firearms have helped proliferate the drug illicit drug trade and need to be dealt with.

Now let's debate the actual reason for the tariffs as well, do you believe the Fentanyl issue is the major reason for his tariffs on Canada?

I don't but that doesn't matter, that is the reason Trump is going with. Why refuse to take that weapon out of Trumps arsenal, unless of course there is truth to what he is saying ? If Trump is entirely full of shit on this why not prove him wrong once and for all ?

They won't and it couldn't be more obvious why

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

I don't but that doesn't matter, that is the reason Trump is going with. Why refuse to take that weapon out of Trumps arsenal, unless of course there is truth to what he is saying ? If Trump is entirely full of shit on this why not prove him wrong once and for all ?

They won't and it couldn't be more obvious why

Of course it's not the real reason, and I'm glad you stated that. It's obvious he wants to bring US manufacturing back to America and needed an emergency like Fentanyl to break his own treaty. He's being a lying cunt!

How does Canada take that weapon out of his arsenal? Has he put clear, reasonable deliverables that they can check off once they are accomplished?

 

[vision1]

so why is he doing it?

You tell me

 

[lsa]

The president of the Retail Industry Leaders Association, Brian Dodge, tells the BBC that things are "escalating so quickly that the opportunity for any preparation is really going out the window".

The group's membership include major US firms such as Walmart, Nike, Costco and Dick's Sporting Goods, and Dodge says: "When you ultimately increase costs - as tariffs do on products - that's going to find its way into the prices that consumers will ultimately pay."

Citing the example of a ladder which is made of aluminium or steel, he explains that some products could face multiple tariffs of up to 70% of their value.

This, he says, is “simply not sustainable" for businesses if they don't pass those costs on to their customers.

 

[Lycandroid]

Of course it's not the real reason, and I'm glad you stated that. It's obvious he wants to bring US manufacturing back to America and needed an emergency like Fentanyl to break his own treaty. He's being a lying cunt!

How does Canada take that weapon out of his arsenal? Has he put clear, reasonable deliverables that they can check off once they are accomplished?

Apparently he has, none of us are privy to the specifics of those conversations are. He has made it clear that the measures put forth were not good enough, but a good start. There is a lot we can do

We need a national inquiry into CBSA itself with regard to corrupt officials.

We need to invest in robust screening measures at ports, 1% of shipping containers are scanned the more we attack this at it's source the lesser the burden will be at the border.

We need to take similar measures with the railway systems

We need to invest in drone monitoring infrastructure while making sure we are not using Chinese technology that may contain backdoor mechanisms.

We need tougher penalties on fentanyl producers and traffickers, instead of a revolving door of catch and release with offenders.

We need to crack down on chinese and indian money laundering operations which go hand and hand with this crisis.

We need to weed out dirty money from our economy no matter how much it props it up and deport every foreign national involved

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Apparently he has, none of us are privy to the specifics of those conversations are. He has made it clear that the measures put forth were not good enough, but a good start. There is a lot we can do

We need a national inquiry into CBSA itself with regard to corrupt officials.

Okay, what is this inquiry going to consist of, and what is the metric where this is deemed successful?

We need to invest in robust screening measures at ports, 1% of shipping containers are scanned the more we attack this at it's source the lesser the burden will be at the border.

Great, what's the dollar figure for this investment and what percentage of shipping containers need to be scanned for this to be deemed a success?

We need to take similar measures with the railway systems

Great, same tolerances here?

We need to invest in drone monitoring infrastructure while making sure we are not using Chinese technology that may contain backdoor mechanisms.

Sure, what is the metric for success here?

We need tougher penalties on fentanyl producers and traffickers, instead of a revolving door of catch and release with offenders.

I'd agree with that, what is the penalty required?

We need to crack down on chinese and indian money laundering operations which go hand and hand with this crisis.

Agreed, what's the metric for success here?

We need to weed out dirty money from our economy no matter how much it props it up and deport every foreign national involved

Agreed, what's the metric for success here?

 

[Lycandroid]

Okay, what is this inquiry going to consist of, and what is the metric where this is deemed successful?



Great, what's the dollar figure for this investment and what percentage of shipping containers need to be scanned for this to be deemed a success?



Great, same tolerances here?



Sure, what is the metric for success here?



I'd agree with that, what is the penalty required?



Agreed, what's the metric for success here?



Agreed, what's the metric for success here?

An inquiry is not going to happen without a change in government, that needs to happen before that can be addressed.

With regard to everything else.. Why are you asking me socratic questions that only the government who would implement these suggestions can answer ? I can say that any move forward on any of these would be a measure of success, but I would have no idea what costs would be or how far they need to go to get fentanyl traffickers to give up. Stop playing games.

With regard to punishment I would give them the highest possible punishment our justice system allows. I would personally like for them all to receive the death penalty, as these guys are essentially mass murderers, but that is unrealistic.

 

[Intermission]

You tell me

Increase employment?

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

An inquiry is not going to happen without a change in government, that needs to happen before that can be addressed.

With regard to everything else.. Why are you asking me socratic questions that only the government who would implement these suggestions can answer ? I can say that any move forward on any of these would be a measure of success, but I would have no idea what costs would be or how far they need to go to get fentanyl traffickers to give up. Stop playing games.

With regard to punishment I would give them the highest possible punishment our justice system allows. I would personally like for them all to receive the death penalty, as these guys are essentially mass murderers, but that is unrealistic.

I'm not playing games at all, when dealing with economic leverage/coercion from another country, terms need to be very specific. Otherwise Trump can always say "that's not good enough" and continue tariffs. Unless these terms are specific, reasonable and in good faith (which you've already agreed they are not), then Canada and other nations can't effectively address them.

 

[MWB1982]

 

[MWB1982]

I told you all in the other thread

Democrat Slayer wins again

 

[vision1]

Increase employment?

Long term, maybe but I doubt it.
Short term it will be the opposite.

 

[Intermission]

Long term, maybe but I doubt it.
Short term it will be the opposite.

Any reason why is he on a tear this term but not the first?

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

He consolidated a meeting, that's what happened.

That happened AFTER he threatened the surcharge. He says it in the clip.