Floyd Mayweather Jr. retires?

[brother muzone]

I don't think fighting Cotto or Margarito is that big of a thing because I don't see either one of those guys beating him.

the mind of a mayweather supporter: hes so good, the fights dont have to happen. hes accomplished the win without fighting.

 

[Necrocide]

Actually, improving Berto's chances for success is one of the few bright spots of Mayweather retiring. I dig Berto and would like to see him do well. Floyd would eat him alive blindfolded, though.

 

[Necrocide]

the mind of a mayweather supporter: hes so good, the fights dont have to happen. hes accomplished the win without fighting.

I'm not a Mayweather fan. I've actively rooted against him in most of his fights. Whether or not I like him, though, doesn't change the fact that he's the best in the game. It's certainly possible that Margarito or Cotto gets to him, I just don't find it likely.

 

[brother muzone]

such a low standard for greatness here. this sport's history would be about an inch deep if the all time greats were held to this laughable standard where no one is worthy to fight sir floyd.

 

[Evil C5]

Incorrect. Floyd made two offers to Hatton that were both turned down when he was at JWW. Floyd was not the one who avoided that fight.



What I would call lame, is Floyd standing toe-to-toe with a man at least 15lbs bigger than he is, regarded as still among the top 20 P4P in the Sport, and definite HOF'er. However, he did stand toe-to-toe with Hatton, where it suited him, and knocked his ass out. When you can out-box DLH over the course of 12 rounds, that's far from lame.



Only casual fans would believe that. The same guys who say the same thing about Ali.



Glorified Welterweights? Like, Cotto or Margarito? I hope you meant Junior Welterweight, and even then, Hatton WAS the unified Champ and is still considered the best JWW in the game. If Cotto had fought him, would everyone still be bitching?

Just admit it, most of you guys just want to see Floyd get his ass kicked because he annoys you, and you're upset no one outside of Castillo has seemed to even really come very close to beating him in the ring, despite his style. It's alright to feel that way, but don't hide it with a bunch of bullshit about what a coward he must be. I defy any of you to do what he does for one year and be considered the best at it hands-down.

Thank You. Finally someone gets it. The reason why MOST fighters fight professionally is for money. I.E. the prize in prize fight. Mayweather's got his money. Why should he keep fighting? He's got nothing to prove. If you had as much money as he does, would you still work? Let alone in a profession where your life is at risk. Everyone seems to be of the mindset that Mayweather's ducking Cotto, but why? True Cotto's a good fighter but there's a very good chance that he won't beat Margarito, let alone Mayweather. Let the man retire if that's what he wants to do. Too many times fighters keep fighting past the time when even they knew they were past their primes and they pay the price (SEE MeldrickTaylor). The man has his health and financial security and seems to be unmotivated to fight anymore. That to me says it's time for him to move along and let the next hungry young fighter take his place.

 

[brother muzone]

Thank You. Finally someone gets it. The reason why MOST fighters fight professionally is for money. I.E. the prize in prize fight. Mayweather's got his money. Why should he keep fighting? He's got nothing to prove. If you had as much money as he does, would you still work? Let alone in a profession where your life is at risk. Everyone seems to be of the mindset that Mayweather's ducking Cotto, but why? True Cotto's a good fighter but there's a very good chance that he won't beat Margarito, let alone Mayweather. Let the man retire if that's what he wants to do. Too many times fighters keep fighting past the time when even they knew they were past their primes and they pay the price (SEE MeldrickTaylor). The man has his health and financial security and seems to be unmotivated to fight anymore. That to me says it's time for him to move along and let the next hungry young fighter take his place.

cool. just dont argue hes an all time great. one of the best p4p ever. because his accomplishments are not to that level. his skill, perhaps, but that doesnt show up in the record books.

 

[Tam-Tam]

Who are the greatest fighters ever, brother muzone?

 

[Necrocide]

Undefeated through five weight classes.

20-0, 10 KO in title fights and eliminators. Understand that over HALF of his career was spent in legitimate title fights.

Wins over four likely hall of famers in Corrales, Castillo, and Hatton.

A legitimate belt holder in five weight classes.

Involved in the highest grossing fight of all time against Oscar De La Hoya, becoming the first fight to generate more than 2 million domestic pay per view buys.

Tell me who he could have fought in the last three years that would have enhanced his legacy any more.

Shane Mosley didn't want to. Antonio Margarito didn't deserve to. Paul Williams, Andre Berto, Paulie Malignaggi, Joshua Clottey, Jackson Bonsu, Kermit Cintron, and Carlos Quintana still don't.

The ONLY guy out there that should even be remotely miffed about not getting to fight Floyd is Miguel Cotto, and even HE is only on the fringe of deserving the shot. If he loses to Margarito, then he's got no complaint about it either.

So again, WHAT IS IT that Floyd Mayweather could have POSSIBLY done to enhance his legacy in your opinion? Go beat Kelly Pavlik and Joe Calzaghe in the same night before making Fedor tap out? Be serious.

Floyd Mayweather, Jr. is a hall of famer without question, like him or not.

 

[brother muzone]

Who are the greatest fighters ever, brother muzone?

keeping it relevant to Floyd, he tries to argue hes better than ray robinson and leonard. that is beyond foolish.

 

[brother muzone]

Undefeated through five weight classes.

20-0, 10 KO in title fights and eliminators. Understand that over HALF of his career was spent in legitimate title fights.

Wins over four likely hall of famers in Corrales, Castillo, and Hatton.

A legitimate belt holder in five weight classes.

Involved in the highest grossing fight of all time against Oscar De La Hoya, becoming the first fight to generate more than 2 million domestic pay per view buys.

Tell me who he could have fought in the last three years that would have enhanced his legacy any more.

Shane Mosley didn't want to. Antonio Margarito didn't deserve to. Paul Williams, Andre Berto, Paulie Malignaggi, Joshua Clottey, Jackson Bonsu, Kermit Cintron, and Carlos Quintana still don't.

The ONLY guy out there that should even be remotely miffed about not getting to fight Floyd is Miguel Cotto, and even HE is only on the fringe of deserving the shot. If he loses to Margarito, then he's got no complaint about it either.

So again, WHAT IS IT that Floyd Mayweather could have POSSIBLY done to enhance his legacy in your opinion? Go beat Kelly Pavlik and Joe Calzaghe in the same night before making Fedor tap out? Be serious.

Floyd Mayweather, Jr. is a hall of famer without question, like him or not.

stop with the drama. he could have stuck around 135 or 140. he could have forgone the nonsense that was the bruselles fight, corley off a loss, judah off a loss, sharmba mitchell. you cnat live off chico and corrales forever. he spent his prime taking those fights in between the money grabs with Gatti and DLH.

thats hilarious that cotto, margarito, williams, and others dont "deserve" shots yet bruselles and mitchell and 2 others coming off losses did. this deserve stuff is the problem. Cotto, Margarito, Williams, etc are top fighters at 147. period. you cant say that about numerous fighters Floyd took. Including Hatton. he wasnt even a welterweight let alone a top welterweight.

 

[Sinister]

such a low standard for greatness here. this sport's history would be about an inch deep if the all time greats were held to this laughable standard where no one is worthy to fight sir floyd.

Greatness is defined by two things:

- Who a Fighter has fought.

- How he's beaten who he's fought.

You hand Floyd's resume to any other Fighter in the game currently, and no one does what he did with whom he did it to.

That's what makes him the best of this generation. Is this generation equivalent to those past? Well that's certainly a whole different argument. No one would say Welterweight, despite how stacked, is the best it's ever been with a straight face considering Leonard's era. However, the standards for Greatness always have been and always will be the above, and it's relevance to the times the Fighter exists in.

stop with the drama. he could have stuck around 135 or 140. he could have forgone the nonsense that was the bruselles fight, corley off a loss, judah off a loss, sharmba mitchell. you cnat live off chico and corrales forever. he spent his prime taking those fights in between the money grabs with Gatti and DLH.

lol Stuck around 135 for what? The top two dogs then were Corrales AND Castillo, Castillo was the man of the hour, and guess who lost to Floyd? THAT guy.

140? Yes he definitely could have done more there, but rather moved up and won the lineal Welterweight Title. What a shitty move.

 

[Necrocide]

So spending his time beating Nate Campbell, Juan Diaz, Joel Casamayor, Amir Kahn, Zahir Rahim, Michael Katsidis, and Robbie Peden in the 135 division would have been better for you?

Strange criteria you have.

 

[Sinister]

thats hilarious that cotto, margarito, williams, and others dont "deserve" shots yet bruselles and mitchell and 2 others coming off losses did. this deserve stuff is the problem. Cotto, Margarito, Williams, etc are top fighters at 147. period. you cant say that about numerous fighters Floyd took. Including Hatton. he wasnt even a welterweight let alone a top welterweight.

The notion you don't seem to be grasping, is that at the times of the offers, Williams, Cotto, and Margarito hadn't done anything significant themselves. BTW, Floyd did offer to Fight Hatton twice, THE man at JWW, when he was still at JWW. Not his fault Hatton balked on the chance.

 

[Tam-Tam]

keeping it relevant to Floyd, he tries to argue hes better than ray robinson and leonard. that is beyond foolish.

I asked you a question that you're trying to deflect.

I'll ask you again, who are the greatest fighters of all-time, brother muzone?

 

[Necrocide]

Floyd's the fighter, not the matchmaker. Not his fault they threw an overmatched Bruseles into an Eliminator with him. Floyd took care of his business.

As for fighting Judah and Baldomir, all that accomplished was unifying the belts in the most stacked division in all of boxing. No major feat there.

 

[brother muzone]

this is what cleaning out a division is. Ray leonard at ww.

SRL cleaned out the 147-pound division. He fought Benitez (who had defeated Randy Sheilds, Carlos Palomino and Harold Westin), Duran (who had defeated Palomino at welterweight), and Hearns (who had defeated Pipino Cuevas, Bruce Curry and Sheilds). On his way to winning the WBC title that Benitez held, he beat Armando Muniz, Andy Price (who had wins over both Cuevas and Palomino), Sheilds and Ranzany.

The very good-to-great fighters Leonard beat and the contenders they beat comprised the welterweight top 10 of the late '70s, 1980 and '81.

Also, the combined records of Benitez, Duran and Hearns at the time Leonard fought them was 141-1-1. There's no question that all three welterweights that Leonard beat in a two-year span are hall of famers.

Don’t even mention SRR. He fought in the era of eight weight classes with only one world championship for each division. If there were four “major” world titles and 17 divisions like we have now, he would have at least won one “world title” at 135, 140, 147, 154, 160 and 168 pounds (and probably 175 pounds).

You claim Mayweather “cleaned out” three weight classes, but what division did he really clean out? The closest was at 130 pounds -- where he did beat an old master and title holder (Genaro Hernandez), a fellow undefeated titlist (Corrales) and two solid contenders (Hernandez & Chavez) -- but he never faced Joel Casamayor or Acelino Freitas, both of whom were undefeated title holders when he was still the WBC super featherweight titlist.

The only stud he fought at 135 pounds was Castillo. The other two lightweights he faced were fringe contenders at best -- Victor Sosa and Phillip Ndou (who was really a 130-pound prospect). By the way, Paul Spadafora and Leo Dorin were undefeated title holders who reigned at the same time Mayweather was the WBC titlist.

At 140 pounds, Mayweather only fought DeMarcus Corley, Henry Bruseles and Arturo Gatti, who had picked up the vacant WBC title that was stripped from Kostya Tszyu, the real champ at the time.

At 147, he's defeated Zab Judah (for a title that shouldn't have been up for grabs), Carlos Baldomir and Ricky Hatton. That's not what I would call cleaning out the division. Antonio Margarito has defeated more 147-pound contenders ranked by The Ring than Floyd has.

 

[brother muzone]

The notion you don't seem to be grasping, is that at the times of the offers, Williams, Cotto, and Margarito hadn't done anything significant themselves. BTW, Floyd did offer to Fight Hatton twice, THE man at JWW, when he was still at JWW. Not his fault Hatton balked on the chance.

Williams, Cotto, and Margarito are all top contenders in the welterweight division. since when does a champion NOT have to fight contenders in his division? you never know who turns out to be the biggest challenge. thats why you fight the fights. Floyd isnt above that, try as you might to suggest he is.

you fight contenders in your division. period

 

[Necrocide]

I asked you a question that you're trying to deflect.

I'll ask you again, who are the greatest fighters of all-time, brother muzone?

Ron Lyle, Shannon Briggs, Jermain Taylor, and Dick Tiger.

Recognize.

 

[Necrocide]

Cotto and Margarito are fighting each other. IF Margarito wins, they'll have to have a rematch. If Cotto wins that one, they'll have to fight a third time. Floyd supposed to just hang out and wait on them?

And you're complaining about guys coming off of losses. Until Saturday night, that was Paul Williams. Pot, kettle.

 

[Sinister]

Williams, Cotto, and Margarito are all top contenders in the welterweight division. since when does a champion NOT have to fight contenders in his division? you never know who turns out to be the biggest challenge. thats why you fight the fights. Floyd isnt above that, try as you might to suggest he is.

you fight contenders in your division. period

You're taking your argument out of the times of relevant context.

Right now is your statement true? Sure. Was your statement true back when Floyd was a Welterweight and Cotto was still a JWW, or when Cotto was a WW and Floyd was fighting at 154? Not really. And like I said earlier, had Cotto fought Hatton instead of Margarito, would anyone complain? No, they'd say Cotto fought the unified JWW Champ moving up. Same as Floyd.

WHEN Floyd came to Welteweight, he beat the top two guys of the division to become the Champion. You don't get to ignore that, try as you might. Cotto, Margarito, and Williams were non-factors at the time.