Floyd Mayweather Jr. retires?

Francis Rossi said:
He'd have to fight at 155. No way. He'd be at 145 or even 135, and that's WEC territory. Maybe they could bill it as a special WEC bout to give them some publicity, but I doubt he's signing. He'd need at least a year out to train, and even then he'd be nowhere near ready for anyone decent. Look what happened to Lesnar, and wrestling was his background, a much more MMA-ready sport.
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Theres no way he's signs imo.
 
if you want to argue hes a great talent, no arguments here. but his competition selection is sub par. we already saw Hatton couldnt hang at 147, Collazo smacked him around. DLH is a 35 year old part time fighter. Baldomir was a 9 loss fighter, Judah was coming off a loss to a 9 loss fighter, and Sharmba mitchell was the definition of shot. not exactly murderers row. you cant live off Chico and Castillo forever.
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Er, you do realize your argument is faulty in that Cotto was barely, if even, a Welterweight at the time Floyd won the Title. He fought Judah, and Baldomir, and at the time they were the ABSOLUTE #1 and #2 guys in the division. Judah was the unified Champ, Baldomir had beaten him.
 
King Kabuki said:
Er, you do realize your argument is faulty in that Cotto was barely, if even, a Welterweight at the time Floyd won the Title. He fought Judah, and Baldomir, and at the time they were the ABSOLUTE #1 and #2 guys in the division. Judah was the unified Champ, Baldomir had beaten him.
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I dont blame him for taking the big money fights in Gatti, Judah off a loss, or even the DLH fight. but a great fighter does something in between. he doesnt take a shot sharmba mitchell. even little ricky hatton entered the 147 division by taking on a young gun like Collazo. Floyd with better size and obviously talent did it with an old shot fighter.

The time to clean out the division is now. or has been for the past year or so.
 
The division will never be "cleaned out". Ever. Don't care how long Floyd fights there.

Cotto, Margarito, Mosely, Williams, Clottey, Bonsu, Cintron, and Berto are all at 147.

Just below you have Hatton, Castillo, Malignaggi, Hopkins, Urango, and Holt.

Just above you have De La Hoya, Alcime, Mora, Julio, and Powell.

Assuming he doesn't fight De La Hoya, Hatton, or Castillo again, that leaves about 15 fights for him to "clean out" 147 and the legitimate contenders one class above and below him. Assuming he fights once every three months, which is a VERY generous estimate, it would take him a shade under four years to "clean out" the divisions.

That's not counting any new talent that would crop up in the meantime, which would only lead to more talk of some new guy that Floyd would need to fight.

If the guy is burnt out and just doesn't want to fight anymore, expecting him to spend another half-decade fighting just so you can be satisfied with him "cleaning out" a division is ridiculous. Too many times we see a guy in his older years and say "I wish he would have gotten out on his own terms"?

We won't have to say that about Floyd. Quit whining.
 
Necrocide said:
Too many times we see a guy in his older years and say "I wish he would have gotten out on his own terms"?
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those are usually fighters who kept fighting top competition. Floyd has not been doing that, not as a welterweight or junior welterweight. you dont have to beat everyone in the top 15 to clean out a division. but you do have to fighter a 3 or 4 atleast. Baldomir, Mitchell, Judah just doesnt cut it for a supposed all time great.
 
Judah and Baldomir were one and two in the weight class. Floyd beat them. Mosley declined. He beat Oscar and Ricky, and has Diego Corrales on his resume as well. Beating Cotto wouldn't make that much of a difference. If he beats Cotto, Cotto suddenly just becomes overrated anyway. No matter who it is, beating one more guy isn't going to make a difference.
 
Necrocide said:
Judah and Baldomir were one and two in the weight class. Floyd beat them. Mosley declined. He beat Oscar and Ricky, and has Diego Corrales on his resume as well. Beating Cotto wouldn't make that much of a difference. If he beats Cotto, Cotto suddenly just becomes overrated anyway. No matter who it is, beating one more guy isn't going to make a difference.
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Exactly, thats what I was s aying. He beats Cotto, well what about Mosley? Mosley? pffftt.. MArgarito ia the real challenge. Wait how about Hatton with a different ref? Hatton? Comeon, the real threat is Paul Williams. Wait, why Paul Williams when he could rematch DLH. Floyd should go to 154. etc etc etc

There will never be an "acceptable" time for Floyd to retire.
 
Sure there will.

The "acceptable" time will be when he fights too long for his physical gifts to outclass everybody on the planet and he gets cold cocked like Roy Jones did.

That gives everybody their opportunity to call him overrated. They can't do that now, and at the root of it, that's what pisses everybody off. They wanted to see Floyd get beat and it didn't happen.
 
Necrocide said:
Sure there will.

The "acceptable" time will be when he fights too long for his physical gifts to outclass everybody on the planet and he gets cold cocked like Roy Jones did.

That gives everybody their opportunity to call him overrated. They can't do that now, and at the root of it, that's what pisses everybody off. They wanted to see Floyd get beat and it didn't happen.
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I hate to admit it, but you're right.
 
I'm not a huge Floyd fan by any stretch. I'm definitely one of those guys that would love to see him get starched, and even better if it happens during his "prime". But it probably won't, especially now.

However, I'm not going to begrudge the man the right to walk away from the sport while he can still put together a coherent sentence and enjoy his life for the next forty years or so.
 
Necrocide said:
I'm not a huge Floyd fan by any stretch. I'm definitely one of those guys that would love to see him get starched, and even better if it happens during his "prime". But it probably won't, especially now.

However, I'm not going to begrudge the man to walk away from the sport while he can still put together a coherent sentence and enjoy his life for the next forty years or so.
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I would actually like to see him retire undefeated. Floyd is the best fighter of our generation. Years down the road , he should be reagarded for all he did, not the one guy he didn't fight at WW.
 
Necrocide said:
Sure there will.

The "acceptable" time will be when he fights too long for his physical gifts to outclass everybody on the planet and he gets cold cocked like Roy Jones did.

That gives everybody their opportunity to call him overrated. They can't do that now, and at the root of it, that's what pisses everybody off. They wanted to see Floyd get beat and it didn't happen.
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Sounds about right.

Oh, and konichiwa!
 
I don't think fighting Cotto or Margarito is that big of a thing because I don't see either one of those guys beating him. Cotto's only chance would be to land a liver shot, otherwise he's getting outboxed for 12 rounds and complaining about the decision.

Maragarito? Floyd would do what Williams did, only better.
 
I remember really wanting Naseem Hamed to lose, as he was a complete tit, especially after he started bodyslamming his opponents. He's fallen from grace somewhat in recent years, which isn't something I'm unhappy about.
 
Necrocide said:
I don't think fighting Cotto or Margarito is that big of a thing because I don't see either one of those guys beating him. Cotto's only chance would be to land a liver shot, otherwise he's getting outboxed for 12 rounds and complaining about the decision.

Maragarito? Floyd would do what Williams did, only better.
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Cotto, I agree is no match for floyd. I think Floyd would knock him out.

MArgarito.... I have to admit, that guy is making me a believer. If he could keep up with Floyd, I have to say thats a tough fight. If not it ends up looking like Floyd/Baldomir.
 
I agree that Mayweather is the greatest fighter of our time, but I would have loved to Cotto again or even DLH, even though I believe Mayweather repeats previous results.
 
Necrocide said:
The division will never be "cleaned out". Ever. Don't care how long Floyd fights there.

Cotto, Margarito, Mosely, Williams, Clottey, Bonsu, Cintron, and Berto are all at 147.

Just below you have Hatton, Castillo, Malignaggi, Hopkins, Urango, and Holt.

Just above you have De La Hoya, Alcime, Mora, Julio, and Powell.

Assuming he doesn't fight De La Hoya, Hatton, or Castillo again, that leaves about 15 fights for him to "clean out" 147 and the legitimate contenders one class above and below him. Assuming he fights once every three months, which is a VERY generous estimate, it would take him a shade under four years to "clean out" the divisions.

That's not counting any new talent that would crop up in the meantime, which would only lead to more talk of some new guy that Floyd would need to fight.

If the guy is burnt out and just doesn't want to fight anymore, expecting him to spend another half-decade fighting just so you can be satisfied with him "cleaning out" a division is ridiculous. Too many times we see a guy in his older years and say "I wish he would have gotten out on his own terms"?

We won't have to say that about Floyd. Quit whining.
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thats actually a really valid point, no matter what he does he cant win, if he stays in until he picks up a couple losses because of diminishing abilities people will say he was greedy or arrogant or some such thing for not getting out earlier. but if he retires now we get people saying hes ducking so and so.
 
That's not counting any new talent that would crop up in the meantime, which would only lead to more talk of some new guy that Floyd would need to fight.
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Floyd is ducking Berto!!!111ONE
 
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