Fedor's GnP was insane

[Jewish Lightning]

Sure, that's why he popped, but there's guys in ACA for example who could never fight in the UFC because they wouldn't pass muster for any fights.

Why would they never pass? You think Paulo Costa would look different in ACA? He'd pass there and he'd pass in the UFC. Steroids are rampant in sports. UFC isn't special like that to where steroids aren't rampant there.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

Are you denying that vitor looked different when he couldn’t use TRT? And that in pride he could have used whatever he wanted? Are you really denying this?

Jon jones was always under some testing in the ufc. He couldn’t do what say randleman or coleman or Kerr did back then. Not sure why you can’t accept this.

Yea Paulo Costa sure looks different under USADA. He must be clean lol

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Why would they never pass? You think Paulo Costa would look different in ACA? He'd pass there and he'd pass in the UFC. Steroids are rampant in sports. UFC isn't special like that to where steroids aren't rampant there.

Guys come over and immediately fail, it's happened to a lot of guys who've come from ACA. Guys juice heavier there on average. There's not much point discussing that much further if you're not aware of that.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

Again, it’s silly to have a discussion on this because you’re not open to it. There’s a difference between the leverage stipe has on his shots. He’s grounded for leverage and overeem’s head is on the canvas. The combination of conditions makes it more devastating concussive blows.

Lmaaaoo Fedors shots were 100x faster and harder. It's like watching a Ferrari driving next to a Ford bronco. Stipes are heavy but not nearly as impressive unless you're a blind shill.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

Guys come over and immediately fail, it's happened to a lot of guys who've come from ACA. Guys juice heavier there on average. There's not much point discussing that much further if you're not aware of that.

Show me your measuring stick for "juice heavier" lol

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Show me your measuring stick for "juice heavier" lol

It's widely known. You're being ridiculous. But carry on.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

It's widely known. You're being ridiculous. But carry on.

Its also widely known steroids are rampant in all sports. You really think they're not rampant in the UFC? Come on brather.

 

[kflo]

Lmaaaoo Fedors shots were 100x faster and harder. It's like watching a Ferrari driving next to a Ford bronco. Stipes are heavy but not nearly as impressive unless you're a blind shill.

Yeah and one guy ends up unconscious and the other is slightly rocked.

But again you’re not interested in details. Again, stipe being grounded allows for greater leverage on his shots. Fedor’s looks better, is faster and you can argue takes more athleticism but that doesn’t mean it’s more damaging or impactful.

 

[kflo]

Its also widely known steroids are rampant in all sports. You really think they're not rampant in the UFC? Come on brather.

Why did vitor and bigfoot drop off and would that have happened in pride? Can you answer this?

 

[Jewish Lightning]

Yeah and one guy ends up unconscious and the other is slightly rocked.

But again you’re not interested in details. Again, stipe being grounded allows for greater leverage on his shots. Fedor’s looks better, is faster and you can argue takes more athleticism but that doesn’t mean it’s more damaging or impactful.

Yea one guy is a glass chinned 37 year old fossil with cte who has 17 KO losses and 3 KO losses in the UFC and the other guy is 28 years old, in his prime ,never been stopped and arguably the toughest fighter in the history of the sport with much better grappling off his back.

Smh shoe shining shill says I'm not interested in "details"

 

[kflo]

Yea one guy is a glass chinned 37 year old fossil with cte who has 17 KO losses and 3 KO losses in the UFC and the other guy is 28 years old, never been stopped and arguably the toughest fighter in the history of the sport with much better grappling off his back.

Smh shoe shining shill says I'm not interested in "details"

Not surprised you’re incapable of a rational dialogue. Leverage increases power. Less give increases impact.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

Not surprised you’re incapable of a rational dialogue. Leverage increases power. Less give increases impact.

Yea because Fedor didn't have leverage and impact on his shots. Smh.

How about the fact that Reem was a 37 year old fossil with CTE who had been KOd dead 17 times while Big Nog was 28 years old and in his prime and never been stopped while also being a better grappler off his back? Those aren't important details? Only a dork who hasn't trained and doesn't understand what an atheltic peak is would share your massively flawed perspective... or a shill.

Delusional shill lol

 

[kflo]

Yea because Fedor didn't have leverage and impact on his shots. Smh.

How about the fact that Reem was a 37 year old fossil with CTE who had been KOd dead 17 times while Big Nog was 28 years old and in his prime and never been stopped while also being a better grappler off his back? Those aren't important details? Only a dork who hasn't trained and doesn't understand what an atheltic peak is would share your massively flawed perspective... or a shill.

Delusional shill lol

You can’t even fathom the idea that stipe’s shots may ultimately have been more concussive than fedor’s………

And clearly anyone who doesn’t parrot your view about the magical early 2000s is a shill in your mind.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

You can’t even fathom the idea that stipe’s shots may ultimately have been more concussive than fedor’s………

You can't fathom the idea that a 37 year old CTE fossil with 17 KO losses will be more inclined to being concussed than a 28 year old in his prime who has never been knocked out.

Smh lol

 

[Jewish Lightning]

And clearly anyone who doesn’t parrot your view about the magical early 2000s is a shill in your mind.

Bruh you brought up Stipe vs 17KO loss Reem as a sign of superior GnP to Fedors against 28 year old Nog.

Your next straw was bringing up Stipes GnP on one dimensional muay Thai fighter Del Roasrio as an example of Stipe having better GnP than Fedor against 28 year old Nog. Smh.

If that ain't ruthless shilling I don't know what is lol

 

[Ancient Warrior]

I think Fedor’s greatest strength were his transitions.

At his peak, fighters were always stuck in first gear because they simply couldn’t adjust.

 

[ippikiookami]

That takes me back. I was at that event with a friend. We were karate-ka that had met some Japanese MMA fighters and started working with them. One of the Pride judges ran an MMA gym in Roppongi, and we got floor seats to a bunch of events. I had been to maybe 4-5 Prides and everyone was really impressed with Nog, and we all thought that Nog would end up submitting Fedor.

None of us could believe that Nog took the shots he did and was still conscious. This was Fedor's big "coming out" fight -- until then, no one knew how amazing he really was. It was a great fight, and a great set up for the biggest ever (IMO), Fedor vs Cro Cop.

Everyone I knew became a Fedor fan after he beat Nog, who most people thought they'd never see lose.

 

[dmwalking]

Didn’t watch or read, but I agree with the thread title.

 

[kflo]

Bruh you brought up Stipe vs 17KO loss Reem as a sign of superior GnP to Fedors against 28 year old Nog.

Your next straw was bringing up Stipes GnP on one dimensional muay Thai fighter Del Roasrio as an example of Stipe having better GnP than Fedor against 28 year old Nog. Smh.

If that ain't ruthless shilling I don't know what is lol

This discussion is hilarious. Imagine a thread discussing the most devastating standing strikes in history and insisting one that didn’t visibly impair the opponent is the winner and that it’s not debatable. Yet with fedor, not accepting that his gnp that didn’t visibly impair his opponent isn’t the most devastating gnp of all time is met with scorn. All rational thought goes out the window. It’s like a religion…

 

[BFoe]

Athletic prime and prime as a fighter are different things for me. Werdum's prime as an athlete was when he was more focused on BJJ. 39 year old Werdum would beat the piss out of 28 year old Werdum imo.

Maybe I’m splitting hairs over semantics? I don’t think so though. I think the work that Werdum put in with Cordeiro really paid off, and his striking got very good. Took a long time, but it paid off. So to me, the Werdum we saw against Hunt, Browne, and Cain was the best version of Werdum we ever saw. But that’s totally different than saying he was entering his prime then, that’s just preposterous. He was actually at the tail end of his prime then. Dude was practically 40 years old and 30 fights deep in his career.