Fedor Throwback

PalmStrike said:
I'm not getting carried away.

Fedor NEVER had problems with bigger, stronger guys. Unless Francis is a better wrestler than Coleman or Randleman then his strength means absolutely nothing. His punching power gives him a chance at a hail Mary but Fedors fight IQ was off the charts. He's throwing either the leaping, lead left hook or the guided missile lead right but either or is gonna lead to a clinch and throw. Francis is on his ass till Fedor takes his arm or ground and pounds his will to fight away.

I don't see a way to win for Francis or any other past, present or future MMA heavyweight. I know how it makes some guys eyes bleed with angry frustration to read chit like that but it's simply the truth.

The only way you beat Prime Fedor is by landing a Fujita that KOs him...like Hendo did.

Francis has no chance other than luck.
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Semmy Schilt is a bigger man than Francis, better striker than Francis and Fedor just put him straight on his back and kept him there. Francis, outside of a hail mary KO does not beat Fedor imo.
 
PalmStrike said:
To keep it simple...youre overrating Francis by a lot.

Hunto could prob train for 4 months, come back and beat Francis.

Nice breakdown of Fedor vs MIRKO FUQQIN CRO COP.

Now do one of Francis vs Black Beast ! ...or the first Stipe fight !

I know...I know, Francis has improved.

No, he hasn't...he just KOd a few guys with one shot.
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Nice breakdown of absolutely nothing. An entire couple of sentences of opinions and responded to nothing.

But it's okay, I get that you're biased. You came into this discussion intent on believing no past, present and future HW could ever surpass Fedor's abilities. You're obviously not gonna listen to reason and it's so very hard to argue against something when the proof is right there in the video and I simply stated what happened and what is. That's why you didn't even try because you know you'd simply fail and look stupid so... opinions and ignoring the obvious is probably your only recourse.
 
Pallopellepaviaani said:
He was very explosive. Rare athlete for MMA. Obviously he fought against a lot of cans and MMA wasn't as developed. Doubt a guy like that would ever fight in HW anymore.
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MMA hadnt yet reached the stage were Derrick Lewis would be fighting for the HW title multiple times. <45>
 
Miokink026 said:
Nice breakdown of absolutely nothing. An entire couple of sentences of opinions and responded to nothing.

But it's okay, I get that you're biased. You came into this discussion intent on believing no past, present and future HW could ever surpass Fedor's abilities. You're obviously not gonna listen to reason and it's so very hard to argue against something when the proof is right there in the video and I simply stated what happened and what is. That's why you didn't even try because you know you'd simply fail and look stupid so... opinions and ignoring the obvious is probably your only recourse.
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Francis is not Prime Mirko Cro Cop.

What do you want me to break down? Im not wasting time off my life to convince you of something that 98% of MMA fans agree on.

Fedor is too fast for Francis.

Francis couldn't get off against Stipe or Beast who are stuck in the mud when compared to Fedor.

Also...am I hiding the fact that youll NEVER change my mind? No, I put it out there... so what do you want from me?

I don't buy that evolution of the sport BS.

There will never be a better Mixed Martial Artist than Fedor.
There will never be a better basketball player than Michael Jordan.
There will never be a better football player than Jerry Rice.
There will never be a better hockey player than Wayne Gretzky.
There will never be a better baseball player than Babe Ruth.
There will never be a better boxer than Muhammad Ali
 
HHJ said:
Its REVERSE WEIGHT BULLY cheat tactics!

we've seen it all folks!
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All these years 240lb Tito Ortiz cut tons of weight and cracked his skull to be the bigger guy against LHWs and MWs moving up…


Tito should be revered for his bravery in wanting to fight smaller guys according to the way some nobody on Sherdog explains it!!

It’s so clear now!!!

<{titihmm}>
 
LilNicky95 said:
All these years 240lb Tito Ortiz cut tons of weight and cracked his skull to be the bigger guy against LHWs and MWs moving up…


Tito should be revered for his bravery in wanting to fight smaller guys according to the way some nobody on Sherdog explains it!!

It’s so clear now!!!

<{titihmm}>
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Rumble Johnson,its amazing what handicaps a man will give himself!
 
PalmStrike said:
Francis is not Prime Mirko Cro Cop.

What do you want me to break down? Im not wasting time off my life to convince you of something that 98% of MMA fans agree on.

Fedor is too fast for Francis.

Francis couldn't get off against Stipe or Beast who are stuck in the mud when compared to Fedor.

Also...am I hiding the fact that youll NEVER change my mind? No, I put it out there... so what do you want from me?

I don't buy that evolution of the sport BS.

There will never be a better Mixed Martial Artist than Fedor.
There will never be a better basketball player than Michael Jordan.
There will never be a better football player than Jerry Rice.
There will never be a better hockey player than Wayne Gretzky.
There will never be a better baseball player than Babe Ruth.
There will never be a better boxer than Muhammad Ali
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So again you managed to not respond to anything I gave you and again you managed to churn out a comment that's all opinions with zero facts to back it up. Good lord kid, you and your alt (or cheerleader) need to step up your game.

Since you responded to not even one part of my reasoning, there's no need for me to write anything else except this. Lol, I wanted to START with this. You can't even get past the basic opening breakdown? Well, here it is. Again. Try your best ; )

Funny, I already talked about this with the same guy who liked your post but did nothing to reply to me. I'll simply paste the post he didn't respond to and start from there. Good thing the leaps or "blitzes" as I called them were already predicted by me and I broke them down quite well so I don't have to change a single thing.



This is Fedor vs Cro Cop the full fight. Now, let's study just a few sequences.

11:57 Fedor lunges in with the first punch of the fight. Notice he waited until Cro Cop's back was to the ropes to throw that casting punch he so favors. It whiffed terribly but he managed to clinch up.

11:13 Cro Cop threw a kick that Fedor masterfully blocked just right. No wasted movement. This type of reaction time is very impressive but it won't matter in this particular fantasy matchup and here's why.

12:20 Fedor once again goes for his blitz but Cro Cop was ready for it and rather than remain stationary and try to meet Fedor or defend it, he simply skipped back and Fedor stumbled over his own feet due to the momentum. this is where my point comes into play. At times, Fedor's blitzes are wild. If his opponent doesn't meet him, he usually finds himself off balance. His distance management with those blitzes aren't always perfect either.

Before this video's 20 minute mark he does his wild blitz again at 13:25 and 14:28.

Now, Fedor's reaction time and speed both exceeds Ngannou's. However, as I've said, Ngannou's a counterstriker with a very good sense for timing. He also happens to be a terrifying knockout artist standing 6'4 with an 84 inch reach. If he leads, Fedor will defend just fine but the fact is he doesn't lead, and Fedor's preferred method of closing the distance is terrible against the hulking counterstriker with huge power and an insane reach advantage. In a nutshell, Fedor's weaknesses are Ngannou's strengths.

But of course the moment you said "I don't see a way to win for Francis or any other past, present or future MMA heavyweight." You already showed your bias...
 
Miokink026 said:
So again you managed to not respond to anything I gave you and again you managed to churn out a comment that's all opinions with zero facts to back it up. Good lord kid, you and your alt (or cheerleader) need to step up your game.

Since you responded to not even one part of my reasoning, there's no need for me to write anything else except this. Lol, I wanted to START with this. You can't even get past the basic opening breakdown? Well, here it is. Again. Try your best ; )

Funny, I already talked about this with the same guy who liked your post but did nothing to reply to me. I'll simply paste the post he didn't respond to and start from there. Good thing the leaps or "blitzes" as I called them were already predicted by me and I broke them down quite well so I don't have to change a single thing.



This is Fedor vs Cro Cop the full fight. Now, let's study just a few sequences.

11:57 Fedor lunges in with the first punch of the fight. Notice he waited until Cro Cop's back was to the ropes to throw that casting punch he so favors. It whiffed terribly but he managed to clinch up.

11:13 Cro Cop threw a kick that Fedor masterfully blocked just right. No wasted movement. This type of reaction time is very impressive but it won't matter in this particular fantasy matchup and here's why.

12:20 Fedor once again goes for his blitz but Cro Cop was ready for it and rather than remain stationary and try to meet Fedor or defend it, he simply skipped back and Fedor stumbled over his own feet due to the momentum. this is where my point comes into play. At times, Fedor's blitzes are wild. If his opponent doesn't meet him, he usually finds himself off balance. His distance management with those blitzes aren't always perfect either.

Before this video's 20 minute mark he does his wild blitz again at 13:25 and 14:28.

Now, Fedor's reaction time and speed both exceeds Ngannou's. However, as I've said, Ngannou's a counterstriker with a very good sense for timing. He also happens to be a terrifying knockout artist standing 6'4 with an 84 inch reach. If he leads, Fedor will defend just fine but the fact is he doesn't lead, and Fedor's preferred method of closing the distance is terrible against the hulking counterstriker with huge power and an insane reach advantage. In a nutshell, Fedor's weaknesses are Ngannou's strengths.

But of course the moment you said "I don't see a way to win for Francis or any other past, present or future MMA heavyweight." You already showed your bias...
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When you say "wild" though I think often your really taking about low percent punchs, the shot he throws at 13:24 for example isnt really that accurate BUT it is well timed just as Mirko is backing off which means he's never going to be able to counter it. Quite often during his best years he threw those kinds of punches either to close the distance or to simply menace an opponent rather than to actually have a good shot at hurting them.

A lot of the time as well I think when people say "wild" really they mean he's not stiff and upright, the latter is not something I would consider a positive yet a lot of MMA fans actually seem to view it as a mark of a "technical striker". Fedor is I think one of the few HW's ever in MMA who genuinely looks "loose" in a positive sense IMHO, both able to slip punches and when he's throwing them move in a fashion that he's not an easy target. I don't think its a coincidence for example that Tyson always liked Fedor, whilst obviously there are some difference Fedor is probably as close to Tyson as you can get in MMA, being able to push forward with timing/movement whilst avoiding punishment.

I think you could make a case that Francis nature makes him one of the most dangerous matches for a prime Fedor(I still think Mirko the most dangerous) simply because he's a fighter who would obviously have upset potential against anyone. Thats rather different to thinking Francis is as good as Fedor though, against stronger opposition I think he'd likely drop quite a few matches, espeically in an era with much younger faster HW's with better cardio rather than todays old slow division.
 
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