Fedor Throwback

[PalmStrike]

Yes... but Ngannou's 265 lbs. Fedor's 230. If we're talking pure explosiveness, Fedor obviously wins. If we're talking about power generation due to factors such as explosiveness, weight, heavy limbs... then Ngannou, no doubt.

Come on dude, let's not get carried away here. There's respecting a fighter and then there's denying reality.

I'm not getting carried away.

Fedor NEVER had problems with bigger, stronger guys. Unless Francis is a better wrestler than Coleman or Randleman then his strength means absolutely nothing. His punching power gives him a chance at a hail Mary but Fedors fight IQ was off the charts. He's throwing either the leaping, lead left hook or the guided missile lead right but either or is gonna lead to a clinch and throw. Francis is on his ass till Fedor takes his arm or ground and pounds his will to fight away.

I don't see a way to win for Francis or any other past, present or future MMA heavyweight. I know how it makes some guys eyes bleed with angry frustration to read chit like that but it's simply the truth.

The only way you beat Prime Fedor is by landing a Fujita that KOs him...like Hendo did.

Francis has no chance other than luck.

 

[kingghidrah]

Fedor never lost in his prime. When he lost he was out of his prime. Then when he won again he was again in his prime... until he lost once more. At that point, he was back out of his prime. Time will tell if he is in his prime right now. If he wins the next one, he is.

Lol not one person has ever said Fedor was "back in his prime" after beating Mir or Chael, and not even when he beat Satoshi Ishii and Pedro Rizzo before retiring for 4 years.

 

[GOAT.]

Fedor is the Babe Ruth of MMA.

 

[DesiredUserName]

Lol not one person has ever said Fedor was "back in his prime" after beating Mir or Chael, and not even when he beat Satoshi Ishii and Pedro Rizzo before retiring for 4 years.

Gee. I didn't know that.

 

[Miokink026]

I'm not getting carried away.

Fedor NEVER had problems with bigger, stronger guys. Unless Francis is a better wrestler than Coleman or Randleman then his strength means absolutely nothing. His punching power gives him a chance at a hail Mary but Fedors fight IQ was off the charts. He's throwing either the leaping, lead left hook or the guided missile lead right but either or is gonna lead to a clinch and throw. Francis is on his ass till Fedor takes his arm or ground and pounds his will to fight away.

I don't see a way to win for Francis or any other past, present or future MMA heavyweight. I know how it makes some guys eyes bleed with angry frustration to read chit like that but it's simply the truth.

The only way you beat Prime Fedor is by landing a Fujita that KOs him...like Hendo did.

Francis has no chance other than luck.

Funny, I already talked about this with the same guy who liked your post but did nothing to reply to me. I'll simply paste the post he didn't respond to and start from there. Good thing the leaps or "blitzes" as I called them were already predicted by me and I broke them down quite well so I don't have to change a single thing.



This is Fedor vs Cro Cop the full fight. Now, let's study just a few sequences.

11:57 Fedor lunges in with the first punch of the fight. Notice he waited until Cro Cop's back was to the ropes to throw that casting punch he so favors. It whiffed terribly but he managed to clinch up.

11:13 Cro Cop threw a kick that Fedor masterfully blocked just right. No wasted movement. This type of reaction time is very impressive but it won't matter in this particular fantasy matchup and here's why.

12:20 Fedor once again goes for his blitz but Cro Cop was ready for it and rather than remain stationary and try to meet Fedor or defend it, he simply skipped back and Fedor stumbled over his own feet due to the momentum. this is where my point comes into play. At times, Fedor's blitzes are wild. If his opponent doesn't meet him, he usually finds himself off balance. His distance management with those blitzes aren't always perfect either.

Before this video's 20 minute mark he does his wild blitz again at 13:25 and 14:28.

Now, Fedor's reaction time and speed both exceeds Ngannou's. However, as I've said, Ngannou's a counterstriker with a very good sense for timing. He also happens to be a terrifying knockout artist standing 6'4 with an 84 inch reach. If he leads, Fedor will defend just fine but the fact is he doesn't lead, and Fedor's preferred method of closing the distance is terrible against the hulking counterstriker with huge power and an insane reach advantage. In a nutshell, Fedor's weaknesses are Ngannou's strengths.

But of course the moment you said "I don't see a way to win for Francis or any other past, present or future MMA heavyweight." You already showed your bias...

 

[Grandma’s HaircuT]

He uses his relatively smaller mass as a speed advantage of large, nonathletic plodding HWs

Dan was 204lbs in this fight and 40 years old here-

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Imagine if Fedor was fighting young fast MW's he would have been destroyed.

He fought it the perfect weight class for the time.

Fedor wasn’t in his prime here. He was super deflated, as he had been fasting….his trainers said he wasn’t taking things seriously around this time. His second wife was also in labor on this night. His strength and conditioning was trash for this fight, weighing the lightest of his career. That fast Twitch explosion just wasn’t there.

At least know what you’re talking about before you post.

 

[kingmob6]

Arguably the best HW ever, Fedor.

Shannon Sharpe ex football player says Fedor isn’t the greatest HW. Shows his fight IQ.

Shannon Sharpe thinks Lebron is the greatest player ever....

 

[CutStryker]

Shannon Sharpe thinks Lebron is the greatest player ever....

He also probably thinks Lebron is a better MMA fighter than Fedor

 

[HHJ]

Fedor was more than a great fighter. He dominated the wild days of MMA and fought legends and cans alike. Basically, he fought everybody and never lost for 10 straight years while maintaining a high pace and exciting style. He was the most well-rounded, most gifted and one of the most athletic HWs in the history of MMA from beginning til now. He is not only the HW GOAT but one of the GOATs of MMA along with Anderson Silva and GSP.

Who can surpass him? The only fighters that could match him in abilities are Cormier, Cain and Ngannou. Unfortunately, Cormier went to LHW and Cain burnt his body out. Neither came close to matching Fedor's legacy. Ngannou potentially can but he's 34. He'd have to have a flawless record for the remainder of his career to even be in the conversation. Then there's Ciryl Gane.

Gane is 31, relatively unscathed and has already defeated two dangerous fighters in their prime and one wild card and he's only 3 years into the game. I expect Ngannou to beat Gane because you'd really have to be a special fighter to survive Ngannou but if Gane can defeat Ngannou, we're probably gonna witness the beginning of one of the greatest eras of HW history.

Youd have to hold people today to a different standard. NO ONE is going to beat Fedor's numbers and time on top. Even if you could do it,you cant do it. Its not those days anymore. Too many restrictions now.

 

[Miokink026]

Youd have to hold people today to a different standard. NO ONE is going to beat Fedor's numbers and time on top. Even if you could do it,you cant do it. Its not those days anymore. Too many restrictions now.

That is very reasonable. I mean, time on top really only counts for longevity anyways. It's really how good the average skillsets for the top contenders are and how many of them you've beaten that counts.

 

[RondoPG]

What a pointless discussion. You people have no clue if he would have fought at LHW or MW so why bother saying "he would be a LHW today" ? He's still fighting and isn't a lhw lol....so stupid. But but but but he was in the 220's before and now he's heavier, is that what you're going to say next? Don't bother, that's stupid too. Fact is he's still fighting and was never a LHW or MW, that's it, bottom line.

Also, Fedor Mirko and Big Nog weighed more in their last fights than Stipe who was just the champ and has the most defenses of the HW title in UFC history...so there's that dumb statement too. No disrespect, i'm just saying there's a lot of dumb speculation around here that people say would be fact and it's obnoxious.

Fedor lost to a bigger grappling heavyweight like Bigfoot. He's undersized

 

[RondoPG]

Fedor wasn’t in his prime here. He was super deflated, as he had been fasting….his trainers said he wasn’t taking things seriously around this time. His second wife was also in labor on this night. His strength and conditioning was trash for this fight, weighing the lightest of his career. That fast Twitch explosion just wasn’t there.

At least know what you’re talking about before you post.

Prime Fedor would still get KOd by Hendo.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

I just can't wait for the day when my son wakes me up from bed in the morning to tell me that another grown man, a former world champ; is talking crazy shit to me on Twitter with embarrassing material

 

[Natural Order]

His fight with Randleman was iconic, really showed how durable he is
That was a clean power suplex on the head he got hit with.

He then swept from side mount into his own side mount less than a minute after the spike and clean ripped Monster’s arm off.

Probably the greatest sequence in MMA history

 

[BluntForceTrama]

When will ever see a HW like this again? He would've been a LHW in today's era.

Still has good hand speed and power in his 40's.

Fak no one can do a highlight like that

remembering prime Fedor vs prime Crocop There's nothing like it

 

[Fedor>Cain]

Dan-- at any age-- can nearly kill a mule. He had the power of the God of Sleep Sleep in his hands. I'm glad I got to watch him fight. You'd look at him and think that he was just a normal-type of athlete due to his unbecoming stature, and then sleep-sleep.

For real. People shitting on Fedor are indirectly taking shots at Hendo and downplaying what a KO that was.

Hendo was getting ragdolled and beaten like a red headed step child and then landed one of this greatest KOs of all time out of nowhere.

The worst thing people can say about Fedor is that he lost to another top 10 fighter of all time lol.

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

Fedor was amazing

 

[legedema]

interesting to see how easy he throws people around incl. Semy Schilt

 

[PalmStrike]

Funny, I already talked about this with the same guy who liked your post but did nothing to reply to me. I'll simply paste the post he didn't respond to and start from there. Good thing the leaps or "blitzes" as I called them were already predicted by me and I broke them down quite well so I don't have to change a single thing.



This is Fedor vs Cro Cop the full fight. Now, let's study just a few sequences.

11:57 Fedor lunges in with the first punch of the fight. Notice he waited until Cro Cop's back was to the ropes to throw that casting punch he so favors. It whiffed terribly but he managed to clinch up.

11:13 Cro Cop threw a kick that Fedor masterfully blocked just right. No wasted movement. This type of reaction time is very impressive but it won't matter in this particular fantasy matchup and here's why.

12:20 Fedor once again goes for his blitz but Cro Cop was ready for it and rather than remain stationary and try to meet Fedor or defend it, he simply skipped back and Fedor stumbled over his own feet due to the momentum. this is where my point comes into play. At times, Fedor's blitzes are wild. If his opponent doesn't meet him, he usually finds himself off balance. His distance management with those blitzes aren't always perfect either.

Before this video's 20 minute mark he does his wild blitz again at 13:25 and 14:28.

Now, Fedor's reaction time and speed both exceeds Ngannou's. However, as I've said, Ngannou's a counterstriker with a very good sense for timing. He also happens to be a terrifying knockout artist standing 6'4 with an 84 inch reach. If he leads, Fedor will defend just fine but the fact is he doesn't lead, and Fedor's preferred method of closing the distance is terrible against the hulking counterstriker with huge power and an insane reach advantage. In a nutshell, Fedor's weaknesses are Ngannou's strengths.

But of course the moment you said "I don't see a way to win for Francis or any other past, present or future MMA heavyweight." You already showed your bias...

To keep it simple...youre overrating Francis by a lot.

Hunto could prob train for 4 months, come back and beat Francis.

Nice breakdown of Fedor vs MIRKO FUQQIN CRO COP.

Now do one of Francis vs Black Beast ! ...or the first Stipe fight !

I know...I know, Francis has improved.

No, he hasn't...he just KOd a few guys with one shot.

 

[Fight Professor]

Fedor never lost in his prime. When he lost he was out of his prime. Then when he won again he was again in his prime... until he lost once more. At that point, he was back out of his prime. Time will tell if he is in his prime right now. If he wins the next one, he is.

If Fedor had lost to CroCop or Nog, his prime would have stopped there. That is just how it works.