Fedor Throwback

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

If Fedor had dropped to 205 in Strikeforce he would've raised hell. No one there could have challenged him

 

[JarlSkuld]

Some Sherdoggers really love Fedor. Their dedication is cult-like. They want to serve Fedor.

Jarl

 

[Miokink026]

When you say "wild" though I think often your really taking about low percent punchs, the shot he throws at 13:24 for example isnt really that accurate BUT it is well timed just as Mirko is backing off which means he's never going to be able to counter it. Quite often during his best years he threw those kinds of punches either to close the distance or to simply menace an opponent rather than to actually have a good shot at hurting them.

A lot of the time as well I think when people say "wild" really they mean he's not stiff and upright, the latter is not something I would consider a positive yet a lot of MMA fans actually seem to view it as a mark of a "technical striker". Fedor is I think one of the few HW's ever in MMA who genuinely looks "loose" in a positive sense IMHO, both able to slip punches and when he's throwing them move in a fashion that he's not an easy target. I don't think its a coincidence for example that Tyson always liked Fedor, whilst obviously there are some difference Fedor is probably as close to Tyson as you can get in MMA, being able to push forward with timing/movement whilst avoiding punishment.

I think you could make a case that Francis nature makes him one of the most dangerous matches for a prime Fedor(I still think Mirko the most dangerous) simply because he's a fighter who would obviously have upset potential against anyone. Thats rather different to thinking Francis is as good as Fedor though, against stronger opposition I think he'd likely drop quite a few matches, espeically in an era with much younger faster HW's with better cardio rather than todays old slow division.

My wording was 'wild at times'.

Cro Cop was never going to counter that? Pause it. Cro Cop was in the near exact position Reyes was when he KO'ed Weidman and Reyes was actually moving back faster. The reason they don't counter is because of the danger of the clinch. He HAS been countered but most of the time, as I've said, his durability saved him.

I don't care much about being technical. MMA isn't limited to that. I used the word wild because it leaves him with openings to be countered during the blitzes at times. And I used the word wild because the man literally stumbled over his own feet in one of my examples.

Ngannou's not Cro Cop. I meant what I wrote, it's not mainly about Ngannou's power:

• Now, Fedor's reaction time and speed both exceeds Ngannou's. However, as I've said, Ngannou's a counterstriker with a very good sense for timing. He also happens to be a terrifying knockout artist standing 6'4 with an 84 inch reach. If he leads, Fedor will defend just fine but the fact is he doesn't lead, and Fedor's preferred method of closing the distance is terrible against the hulking counterstriker with huge power and an insane reach advantage. In a nutshell, Fedor's weaknesses are Ngannou's strengths.

Of course, by weaknesses I meant his least favorable tendencies. Fedor is NOT Tyson man. Tyson's greatest attribute is his ability to close the distance with insane technique. Fedor's not even close to that. His greatest attribute is the fact that he's well rounded, a great athlete and is not lacking in any area of his game. And his sambo of course.

But this is not about Tyson. It's about Fedor's performance and attributes vs Ngannou's performance and attributes. Both have never fought someone quite like each other before but due to that stylistic and reach advantage, I'd have to give Ngannou the W 6/10. Does that mean Ngannou's as technical as Fedor? No, Fedor's miles ahead of Ngannou in that respect but if we're talking about ability to win, Ngannou and Fedor are on the same level. I wrote a breakdown of Ngannou vs Gane for a dude, I could post it here later if you'd like to check it out?

Lastly, I didn't even need to check to know you're not that little troll I replied to. He couldn't even put a sentence together. Checked after I wrote this, I was right.

 

[kenetics]

He uses his relatively smaller mass as a speed advantage of large, nonathletic plodding HWs

Dan was 204lbs in this fight and 40 years old here-

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Imagine if Fedor was fighting young fast MW's he would have been destroyed.

He fought it the perfect weight class for the time.

Umm nog would've subbed Dan and Colman would've gnp Dan as well. Hunt would've ko Dan too.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

My wording was 'wild at times'.

Cro Cop was never going to counter that? Pause it. Cro Cop was in the near exact position Reyes was when he KO'ed Weidman and Reyes was actually moving back faster. The reason they don't counter is because of the danger of the clinch. He HAS been countered but most of the time, as I've said, his durability saved him.

I don't care much about being technical. MMA isn't limited to that. I used the word wild because it leaves him with openings to be countered during the blitzes at times. And I used the word wild because the man literally stumbled over his own feet in one of my examples.

Ngannou's not Cro Cop. I meant what I wrote, it's not mainly about Ngannou's power:

• Now, Fedor's reaction time and speed both exceeds Ngannou's. However, as I've said, Ngannou's a counterstriker with a very good sense for timing. He also happens to be a terrifying knockout artist standing 6'4 with an 84 inch reach. If he leads, Fedor will defend just fine but the fact is he doesn't lead, and Fedor's preferred method of closing the distance is terrible against the hulking counterstriker with huge power and an insane reach advantage. In a nutshell, Fedor's weaknesses are Ngannou's strengths.

Of course, by weaknesses I meant his least favorable tendencies. Fedor is NOT Tyson man. Tyson's greatest attribute is his ability to close the distance with insane technique. Fedor's not even close to that. His greatest attribute is the fact that he's well rounded, a great athlete and is not lacking in any area of his game. And his sambo of course.

But this is not about Tyson. It's about Fedor's performance and attributes vs Ngannou's performance and attributes. Both have never fought someone quite like each other before but due to that stylistic and reach advantage, I'd have to give Ngannou the W 6/10. Does that mean Ngannou's as technical as Fedor? No, Fedor's miles ahead of Ngannou in that respect but if we're talking about ability to win, Ngannou and Fedor are on the same level. I wrote a breakdown of Ngannou vs Gane for a dude, I could post it here later if you'd like to check it out?

Lastly, I didn't even need to check to know you're not that little troll I replied to. He couldn't even put a sentence together. Checked after I wrote this, I was right.

The punch at 13:24(well actually about 2 secs before that), the big swinging one just after Fedor has slipped a Mirko jab? Mirko is backing off fast at that point and no way could he have landed a counter. In that situation I think the big punch is really being thrown to play mental games, not much chance it lands and not much chance Mirko counters but it potentially introduces some fear factor. I remember either Fedor or his training specifically stating that he used those kinds of "warning shots" on purpose, the classic example after MIrko does land that jab and Fedor explods forward with that massive punch, very unlikely to land but also very hard to counter and I think it probably does help distrupt Mirko as he needs to back off for a second and then when he does throw his highkick its rush and off balance.

I mean nobody is never open to being countered but Fedor during his prime years I don't think he actually "blitzed" very often, generally only when he had opponent hurt against the ropes like Goodridge. The Bigfoot fight I think really is an obvious moment of decline when you see he's planting his feed and throwing lefts and rights against a fresh opponent, previously Fedor was very light on his feet indeed very rarely leaving those kinds of counter openings. During his prime I think the defining feature of his striking really is that he is so light on his feet very rarely planting them to throw down.

Ngannou and Crocop might not be identical but they are waiting for similar kinds of openings when an opponent gets sloppy pushing forward. The idea Mirko didnt like to be pressured many(not saying you) seem to claim here for me is one of the most utterly wrong peices of UFC bro wisdom, he loved to be pressured and he beat down guys like Aleks, Wanderlei and Herring who tried to do it. The difference is Fedor didnt give him those openings, his timing was too good as was his ability to slip punches.

The kind of openings Ngannou has exploited from Reem, JDS and Stipe, to me those are just vastly sloppier than anything Fedor was giving away to Mirko. Reem obviously had sucess in K-1 but when it comes to aggressive boxing he's always been very weak indeed for his level IMHO and leaves himself absolutely wide open, JDS with that massive looping punch that leaves him with his back to Ngannou or Stipe rushing straight into a punch as well.

Fedor maybe isnt AS good as Tyson but he's as close as you will find in MMA and I think you see a lot of the same kinds of skills. Both of them have great timing when it comes to their explosions forward, both are able to slip punchs really well, both are also great at making sure their not upright too much as they do it either. Again its ironic that this actually gets called "sloppy" because MMA fans seem to believe that standing bolt upright is the sign of a technical striker. You don't want to be bobing and weaving in MMA as much perhaps but in those moments pushing forward you do want to make your head a harder target for punches.

Basically not....

 

[DoctorsStoppage]

You can't hate on Fedor. But he should have retired after Werdum.

 

[Miokink026]

The punch at 13:24(well actually about 2 secs before that), the big swinging one just after Fedor has slipped a Mirko jab? Mirko is backing off fast at that point and no way could he have landed a counter. In that situation I think the big punch is really being thrown to play mental games, not much chance it lands and not much chance Mirko counters but it potentially introduces some fear factor. I remember either Fedor or his training specifically stating that he used those kinds of "warning shots" on purpose, the classic example after MIrko does land that jab and Fedor explods forward with that massive punch, very unlikely to land but also very hard to counter and I think it probably does help distrupt Mirko as he needs to back off for a second and then when he does throw his highkick its rush and off balance.

I mean nobody is never open to being countered but Fedor during his prime years I don't think he actually "blitzed" very often, generally only when he had opponent hurt against the ropes like Goodridge. The Bigfoot fight I think really is an obvious moment of decline when you see he's planting his feed and throwing lefts and rights against a fresh opponent, previously Fedor was very light on his feet indeed very rarely leaving those kinds of counter openings. During his prime I think the defining feature of his striking really is that he is so light on his feet very rarely planting them to throw down.

Ngannou and Crocop might not be identical but they are waiting for similar kinds of openings when an opponent gets sloppy pushing forward. The idea Mirko didnt like to be pressured many(not saying you) seem to claim here for me is one of the most utterly wrong peices of UFC bro wisdom, he loved to be pressured and he beat down guys like Aleks, Wanderlei and Herring who tried to do it. The difference is Fedor didnt give him those openings, his timing was too good as was his ability to slip punches.

The kind of openings Ngannou has exploited from Reem, JDS and Stipe, to me those are just vastly sloppier than anything Fedor was giving away to Mirko. Reem obviously had sucess in K-1 but when it comes to aggressive boxing he's always been very weak indeed for his level IMHO and leaves himself absolutely wide open, JDS with that massive looping punch that leaves him with his back to Ngannou or Stipe rushing straight into a punch as well.

At 13:25 he didn't slip any jab. He parried Cro Cop's lead hand then leapt in with a casting punch that saw Cro Cop easily circle away. Cro Cop was focused purely on defense and not clinching up so he didn't exploit the obvious opening. Even after the sequence was finished Fedor was still facing the ropes and Crop Cop was facing Fedor on Fedor's right. That's obviously a good opening regardless of what Fedor said and I even gave you an example of Reyes exploiting such an angel on his opponent. It's not a good move just because Cro Cop didn't exploit it with his high kick. It's not like the high kick is his only weapon.

But why aren't you even trying to mention the other times I listed if you don't think he blitzed that often? Are those other time stamps not showing for you? I'll try again:

12:20 Fedor once again goes for his blitz but Cro Cop was ready for it and rather than remain stationary and try to meet Fedor or defend it, he simply skipped back and Fedor stumbled over his own feet due to the momentum. this is where my point comes into play. At times, Fedor's blitzes are wild. If his opponent doesn't meet him, he usually finds himself off balance. His distance management with those blitzes aren't always perfect either.​

And this is only within 10 minutes of footage.

Cro Cop and Ngannou definitely aren't going to wait for similar types of openings against Fedor. Cro Cop's not a counterstriker; he's more of an offensive striker who builds off on his opponents expectations. He's not the type to do well backing up and Fedor's the same size as him so there's no reach advantage in the striking or size advantage in the grappling. He does NOT want to end up in the clinch. Ngannou's different. He doesn't care about his opponent going into the clinch with him because that's also a moment he'd be firing. He does care once he ends up in that position but most of the time he uses his superior strength to simple pin them against the cage (which is a factor in UFC matches but not in Pride).

The kinds of openings Ngannou has exploited are decently impressive. Why mention Stipe ran into that shot and neglect to mention Ngannou rocked him bad before that which probably led to that bad decision? Also, you think the Reem one isn't probably because Ngannou made it look easy. Reem faked a shot then weaved, coming up with an overhand left that hit Ngannou clean on the side of the head. Unfortunately Ngannou ate that shot like candy then timed Reem with that brutal uppercut.

His KO of Cain was also quite amazing. Cain perfectly timed his 1-2 and dove for a takedown but again Ngannou used his freakish strength to simply wrench Cain away and gave himself enough room to land a shot nobody saw until the slow motion replay.

I think I mentioned how well they matched up but I'll simply write it again because it's pretty solid:

• Ngannou happens to be a terrifying knockout artist standing 6'4 with an 84 inch reach. If he leads, Fedor will defend just fine but the fact is he doesn't lead, and Fedor's preferred method of closing the distance is terrible against the hulking counterstriker with huge power and an insane reach advantage. In a nutshell, Fedor's weaknesses are Ngannou's strengths.

Being a terrifying KO artist with that type of reach and height advantage means Fedor's only option of closing the distance is either timing Ngannou or going forward with his blitzes that I repeat, he gets wild with at times. A 230 lb man standing 6'0 using blitzes that has a chance of being timed badly and becoming wild against a 6'4 265 lb counter striker who can shut anyones lights off with a good connection is just not a stylistically fun matchup for the shorter man. Ngannou's simply a bad matchup for Fedor.

 

[HHJ]

At 13:25 he didn't slip any jab. He parried Cro Cop's lead hand then leapt in with a casting punch that saw Cro Cop easily circle away. Cro Cop was focused purely on defense and not clinching up so he didn't exploit the obvious opening. Even after the sequence was finished Fedor was still facing the ropes and Crop Cop was facing Fedor on Fedor's right. That's obviously a good opening regardless of what Fedor said and I even gave you an example of Reyes exploiting such an angel on his opponent. It's not a good move just because Cro Cop didn't exploit it with his high kick. It's not like the high kick is his only weapon.

But why aren't you even trying to mention the other times I listed if you don't think he blitzed that often? Are those other time stamps not showing for you? I'll try again:

12:20 Fedor once again goes for his blitz but Cro Cop was ready for it and rather than remain stationary and try to meet Fedor or defend it, he simply skipped back and Fedor stumbled over his own feet due to the momentum. this is where my point comes into play. At times, Fedor's blitzes are wild. If his opponent doesn't meet him, he usually finds himself off balance. His distance management with those blitzes aren't always perfect either.​

And this is only within 10 minutes of footage.

Cro Cop and Ngannou definitely aren't going to wait for similar types of openings against Fedor. Cro Cop's not a counterstriker; he's more of an offensive striker who builds off on his opponents expectations. He's not the type to do well backing up and Fedor's the same size as him so there's no reach advantage in the striking or size advantage in the grappling. He does NOT want to end up in the clinch. Ngannou's different. He doesn't care about his opponent going into the clinch with him because that's also a moment he'd be firing. He does care once he ends up in that position but most of the time he uses his superior strength to simple pin them against the cage (which is a factor in UFC matches but not in Pride).

The kinds of openings Ngannou has exploited are decently impressive. Why mention Stipe ran into that shot and neglect to mention Ngannou rocked him bad before that which probably led to that bad decision? Also, you think the Reem one isn't probably because Ngannou made it look easy. Reem faked a shot then weaved, coming up with an overhand left that hit Ngannou clean on the side of the head. Unfortunately Ngannou ate that shot like candy then timed Reem with that brutal uppercut.

His KO of Cain was also quite amazing. Cain perfectly timed his 1-2 and dove for a takedown but again Ngannou used his freakish strength to simply wrench Cain away and gave himself enough room to land a shot nobody saw until the slow motion replay.

I think I mentioned how well they matched up but I'll simply write it again because it's pretty solid:

• Ngannou happens to be a terrifying knockout artist standing 6'4 with an 84 inch reach. If he leads, Fedor will defend just fine but the fact is he doesn't lead, and Fedor's preferred method of closing the distance is terrible against the hulking counterstriker with huge power and an insane reach advantage. In a nutshell, Fedor's weaknesses are Ngannou's strengths.

Being a terrifying KO artist with that type of reach and height advantage means Fedor's only option of closing the distance is either timing Ngannou or going forward with his blitzes that I repeat, he gets wild with at times. A 230 lb man standing 6'0 using blitzes that has a chance of being timed badly and becoming wild against a 6'4 265 lb counter striker who can shut anyones lights off with a good connection is just not a stylistically fun matchup for the shorter man. Ngannou's simply a bad matchup for Fedor.

While I agree with much of what youve said,I think Fedor would take it. I think If Fedor can get the big man down,he will make him pay dearly and if Francis can survive that he will be dimished enough for Fedor to much easily get his work in.

Fedor is wild with his blitzes,and he has said himself that usually his first blitz doesnt always get the job done,because of that. But he has alot of trickery and feints,and if he can cause some chaos in there,he will take advantage of it right away.

Good analysis tho

 

[Deleted member 110072]

At 13:25 he didn't slip any jab. He parried Cro Cop's lead hand then leapt in with a casting punch that saw Cro Cop easily circle away. Cro Cop was focused purely on defense and not clinching up so he didn't exploit the obvious opening. Even after the sequence was finished Fedor was still facing the ropes and Crop Cop was facing Fedor on Fedor's right. That's obviously a good opening regardless of what Fedor said and I even gave you an example of Reyes exploiting such an angel on his opponent. It's not a good move just because Cro Cop didn't exploit it with his high kick. It's not like the high kick is his only weapon.

Its a straight actually but besides that I'm correct, Fedor clearly slips it, you see him shift his head to one side and the punch misses as a result. At that moment its actually Mirko who is in the bad position commited to the straight and thats why he backed up fast, to try and counter at that moment would have been very hard. I just think your wrong, thats not a good counter opening at all its a good example of waiting to throw a punch at the right moment. The punch itself isnt very accurate and again I suspect as much physiological but because it isnt accurate doesnt mean its not well timed.

But why aren't you even trying to mention the other times I listed if you don't think he blitzed that often? Are those other time stamps not showing for you? I'll try again:

12:20 Fedor once again goes for his blitz but Cro Cop was ready for it and rather than remain stationary and try to meet Fedor or defend it, he simply skipped back and Fedor stumbled over his own feet due to the momentum. this is where my point comes into play. At times, Fedor's blitzes are wild. If his opponent doesn't meet him, he usually finds himself off balance. His distance management with those blitzes aren't always perfect either.​

And this is only within 10 minutes of footage.

What you call "blitz" I call moving forward with good timing, blitz to me would be Fedor throwing loads of punches with his feet planted as for example at the start of the Fabio fight. Mirko backs off in most of these situations because there well timed aggression for Fedor, the reality is that whilst he lost that match he showed exellent defence. Generally that match is a great example of the kind of defence thats almost totally lacking at HW today that two KO machines could exchange aggressively for 10 mins and neither badly hurts the other.

Cro Cop and Ngannou definitely aren't going to wait for similar types of openings against Fedor. Cro Cop's not a counterstriker; he's more of an offensive striker who builds off on his opponents expectations. He's not the type to do well backing up and Fedor's the same size as him so there's no reach advantage in the striking or size advantage in the grappling. He does NOT want to end up in the clinch. Ngannou's different. He doesn't care about his opponent going into the clinch with him because that's also a moment he'd be firing. He does care once he ends up in that position but most of the time he uses his superior strength to simple pin them against the cage (which is a factor in UFC matches but not in Pride).

The kinds of openings Ngannou has exploited are decently impressive. Why mention Stipe ran into that shot and neglect to mention Ngannou rocked him bad before that which probably led to that bad decision? Also, you think the Reem one isn't probably because Ngannou made it look easy. Reem faked a shot then weaved, coming up with an overhand left that hit Ngannou clean on the side of the head. Unfortunately Ngannou ate that shot like candy then timed Reem with that brutal uppercut.

His KO of Cain was also quite amazing. Cain perfectly timed his 1-2 and dove for a takedown but again Ngannou used his freakish strength to simply wrench Cain away and gave himself enough room to land a shot nobody saw until the slow motion replay.

I think I mentioned how well they matched up but I'll simply write it again because it's pretty solid:

• Ngannou happens to be a terrifying knockout artist standing 6'4 with an 84 inch reach. If he leads, Fedor will defend just fine but the fact is he doesn't lead, and Fedor's preferred method of closing the distance is terrible against the hulking counterstriker with huge power and an insane reach advantage. In a nutshell, Fedor's weaknesses are Ngannou's strengths.

Being a terrifying KO artist with that type of reach and height advantage means Fedor's only option of closing the distance is either timing Ngannou or going forward with his blitzes that I repeat, he gets wild with at times. A 230 lb man standing 6'0 using blitzes that has a chance of being timed badly and becoming wild against a 6'4 265 lb counter striker who can shut anyones lights off with a good connection is just not a stylistically fun matchup for the shorter man. Ngannou's simply a bad matchup for Fedor.

Crocop was clearly an exellent counter striker, indeed personally I think one off if not the best counter fighter in MMA history. He could lead as well but a great deal of his sucess was built on being able to land the left straight and the body kick especially on opponents who were trying to chase him down.

Really Mirko was better suited than Ngannou for countering someone like Fedor, he didnt need sloppy exchanges the way Francis tends to but rather could pick someone off on the way forward. Thats why all your talk about Fedor being vunerable when he "blitzed" Mirko is just wrong for me, the reality is Mirko was fucking amazing at timing shots on people who were trying to chase him down. He couldnt do it in this fight because Fedor was timing his forward movement too well and his ability to slip the left straight and block the bodykick was too good. Look at difference in the second Wanderlei fight, Silva tries to chase Mirko down without such good timing and defence and walks into the left straight which drops him and closes his eye leading to the finish.

I think another fight to watch whern considering Ngannou as well would be Fedor/Nog 3. I'm guessing I need to start off by saying no Nog wasnt a rubbish striker, he gave Sergei as good at he got in the boxing exchanges in their match. Nog doesnt back off when Fedor has his little explosions forward, he's there ready to counter but simply can't, Fedor times his shots and then either he's in the clinch or he's slipping away and also making sure he's not upright and easily hittable. No "blitz" happens, Fedor doesnt throw down when Nog holds his ground he stays light on his feet picking his shots.

Cain actually is a good example of the kind of fighter your claiming Fedor is, he's clearly a dangerous fighter of course with a lot of power but he lacks Fedor's timing/defence. Look at the difference vs Kongo or Werdum for example compaired to Fedor/Mirko, Cain walks into straights and jabs so much more easily.

Really I think Francis threat to Fedor is simply that he's a big fast guy who can throw reasonably accurate punches which means he will always have significant upset potential and you could argue against prime Fedor an upset fighter is actually one of the main dangers.

 

[lilianjie]

His fight with Randleman was iconic, really showed how durable he is
That was a clean power suplex on the head he got hit with.

He also showed that in the Fujita fight.
He got hit with a haymaker from hell, turned into a wobbly fish, managed to take him down then rear naked choke FTW.

 

[PalmStrike]

So again you managed to not respond to anything I gave you and again you managed to churn out a comment that's all opinions with zero facts to back it up. Good lord kid, you and your alt (or cheerleader) need to step up your game.

Since you responded to not even one part of my reasoning, there's no need for me to write anything else except this. Lol, I wanted to START with this. You can't even get past the basic opening breakdown? Well, here it is. Again. Try your best ; )

Funny, I already talked about this with the same guy who liked your post but did nothing to reply to me. I'll simply paste the post he didn't respond to and start from there. Good thing the leaps or "blitzes" as I called them were already predicted by me and I broke them down quite well so I don't have to change a single thing.



This is Fedor vs Cro Cop the full fight. Now, let's study just a few sequences.

11:57 Fedor lunges in with the first punch of the fight. Notice he waited until Cro Cop's back was to the ropes to throw that casting punch he so favors. It whiffed terribly but he managed to clinch up.

11:13 Cro Cop threw a kick that Fedor masterfully blocked just right. No wasted movement. This type of reaction time is very impressive but it won't matter in this particular fantasy matchup and here's why.

12:20 Fedor once again goes for his blitz but Cro Cop was ready for it and rather than remain stationary and try to meet Fedor or defend it, he simply skipped back and Fedor stumbled over his own feet due to the momentum. this is where my point comes into play. At times, Fedor's blitzes are wild. If his opponent doesn't meet him, he usually finds himself off balance. His distance management with those blitzes aren't always perfect either.

Before this video's 20 minute mark he does his wild blitz again at 13:25 and 14:28.

Now, Fedor's reaction time and speed both exceeds Ngannou's. However, as I've said, Ngannou's a counterstriker with a very good sense for timing. He also happens to be a terrifying knockout artist standing 6'4 with an 84 inch reach. If he leads, Fedor will defend just fine but the fact is he doesn't lead, and Fedor's preferred method of closing the distance is terrible against the hulking counterstriker with huge power and an insane reach advantage. In a nutshell, Fedor's weaknesses are Ngannou's strengths.

But of course the moment you said "I don't see a way to win for Francis or any other past, present or future MMA heavyweight." You already showed your bias...

Fedor could have taken Mirko down in the 1st round but he CHOSE to stand with him to prove he was head and shoulders above the next man in line...to prove that Mirko wasn't a clear cut better striker.

Fedor blocked many of Mirkos trademark kicks in BEAUTIFUL fashion...breathtaking actually.

No one, including me, expected Fedors blitz to work on Mirko. Cmon man, Mirko was a kick boxing champion with a chit ton of straight up boxing experience added on.

So you can breakdown that fight all you like. That fight was a clash of titans the likes of which we will probably NEVER witness again. The aggressiveness they BOTH fought with, the passion...it was all perfect. It was beautiful violence!

Francis has never been in a war. The closest hes come is the first Stipe fight and he pretty much was dominated the entire second half of it.

Francis' only chance at beating Prime Fedor is a Hail Mary.

 

[Miokink026]

While I agree with much of what youve said,I think Fedor would take it. I think If Fedor can get the big man down,he will make him pay dearly and if Francis can survive that he will be dimished enough for Fedor to much easily get his work in.

Fedor is wild with his blitzes,and he has said himself that usually his first blitz doesnt always get the job done,because of that. But he has alot of trickery and feints,and if he can cause some chaos in there,he will take advantage of it right away.

Good analysis tho

Fedor could have taken Mirko down in the 1st round but he CHOSE to stand with him to prove he was head and shoulders above the next man in line...to prove that Mirko wasn't a clear cut better striker.

Fedor blocked many of Mirkos trademark kicks in BEAUTIFUL fashion...breathtaking actually.

No one, including me, expected Fedors blitz to work on Mirko. Cmon man, Mirko was a kick boxing champion with a chit ton of straight up boxing experience added on.

So you can breakdown that fight all you like. That fight was a clash of titans the likes of which we will probably NEVER witness again. The aggressiveness they BOTH fought with, the passion...it was all perfect. It was beautiful violence!

Francis has never been in a war. The closest hes come is the first Stipe fight and he pretty much was dominated the entire second half of it.

Francis' only chance at beating Prime Fedor is a Hail Mary.

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Its a straight actually but besides that I'm correct, Fedor clearly slips it, you see him shift his head to one side and the punch misses as a result. At that moment its actually Mirko who is in the bad position commited to the straight and thats why he backed up fast, to try and counter at that moment would have been very hard. I just think your wrong, thats not a good counter opening at all its a good example of waiting to throw a punch at the right moment. The punch itself isnt very accurate and again I suspect as much physiological but because it isnt accurate doesnt mean its not well timed.



What you call "blitz" I call moving forward with good timing, blitz to me would be Fedor throwing loads of punches with his feet planted as for example at the start of the Fabio fight. Mirko backs off in most of these situations because there well timed aggression for Fedor, the reality is that whilst he lost that match he showed exellent defence. Generally that match is a great example of the kind of defence thats almost totally lacking at HW today that two KO machines could exchange aggressively for 10 mins and neither badly hurts the other.



Crocop was clearly an exellent counter striker, indeed personally I think one off if not the best counter fighter in MMA history. He could lead as well but a great deal of his sucess was built on being able to land the left straight and the body kick especially on opponents who were trying to chase him down.

Really Mirko was better suited than Ngannou for countering someone like Fedor, he didnt need sloppy exchanges the way Francis tends to but rather could pick someone off on the way forward. Thats why all your talk about Fedor being vunerable when he "blitzed" Mirko is just wrong for me, the reality is Mirko was fucking amazing at timing shots on people who were trying to chase him down. He couldnt do it in this fight because Fedor was timing his forward movement too well and his ability to slip the left straight and block the bodykick was too good. Look at difference in the second Wanderlei fight, Silva tries to chase Mirko down without such good timing and defence and walks into the left straight which drops him and closes his eye leading to the finish.

I think another fight to watch whern considering Ngannou as well would be Fedor/Nog 3. I'm guessing I need to start off by saying no Nog wasnt a rubbish striker, he gave Sergei as good at he got in the boxing exchanges in their match. Nog doesnt back off when Fedor has his little explosions forward, he's there ready to counter but simply can't, Fedor times his shots and then either he's in the clinch or he's slipping away and also making sure he's not upright and easily hittable. No "blitz" happens, Fedor doesnt throw down when Nog holds his ground he stays light on his feet picking his shots.

Cain actually is a good example of the kind of fighter your claiming Fedor is, he's clearly a dangerous fighter of course with a lot of power but he lacks Fedor's timing/defence. Look at the difference vs Kongo or Werdum for example compaired to Fedor/Mirko, Cain walks into straights and jabs so much more easily.

Really I think Francis threat to Fedor is simply that he's a big fast guy who can throw reasonably accurate punches which means he will always have significant upset potential and you could argue against prime Fedor an upset fighter is actually one of the main dangers.

How about this. This time, I won't break anything down. I'll keep it simple and only comment on one pointer at a time.



Fedor vs Fujita. 1:56, what was Fedor's choice of attack after a long period of circling? A leaping left hook with his chin straight in the air and his head on the center line. What's more, Fujita is one of the worst fighters in that era and he was roughly similar to Fedor in reach and height. Fedor still choose to use a

Let's just focus on one thing at a time. Just this one thing. There is no way you can deny this isn't terrible technique that would see him get countered by someone with whom he had to stay even further away from due to their height and reach and if that someone was a good counterstriker with heavy power...

 

[Greyscale]

When will ever see a HW like this again? He would've been a LHW in today's era.

Still has good hand speed and power in his 40's.

You're talking about Rogers, right? I heard his hands are damn fast nowadays.

 

[mjfan23]

How about this. This time, I won't break anything down. I'll keep it simple and only comment on one pointer at a time.



Fedor vs Fujita. 1:56, what was Fedor's choice of attack after a long period of circling? A leaping left hook with his chin straight in the air and his head on the center line. What's more, Fujita is one of the worst fighters in that era and he was roughly similar to Fedor in reach and height. Fedor still choose to use a

Let's just focus on one thing at a time. Just this one thing. There is no way you can deny this isn't terrible technique that would see him get countered by someone with whom he had to stay even further away from due to their height and reach and if that someone was a good counterstriker with heavy power...

Your Join date checks out!!

here’s something more relevant and recent we can all focus on: dinosaurs and relics from Fedors era like AA and Big Ben are still winning in modern UFC.

lol at reaction times of today. CTE induced dinosaurs who weren’t on Fedors level back then are still winning.

 

[mjfan23]

You're talking about Rogers, right? I heard his hands are damn fast nowadays.

Yeah the dudes Bret Rogers sexually assaulted all said he was very quick to touch em

 

[Cowboy Kurt Angle]

Who knows

 

[Cowboy Kurt Angle]

Mma is fast at fighter evolution so we could we could not who knows

 

[DayV]

Fujita is one of the worst fighters in that era

Fujita was Top 5 ranked fighter on his peak, also de facto world lineal champion.
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/kazuyuki-fujita.4200290/page-3#post-165822792
He was often ranked in Top 10 for multiple years, and ranked in Top 10 at the moment of Fedor fight by some of the major MMA media from that time.


Sto stop with that UFC bias of disparaging every Japanese PRIDE fighter as can.
WW2 with Japan is long over.

 

[bng]

arlovski is still mad about his loss
whenever he is being asked about that fight his replies are super salty

 

[Miokink026]

Fujita was Top 5 ranked fighter on his peak, also de facto world lineal champion.
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/kazuyuki-fujita.4200290/page-3#post-165822792
He was often ranked in Top 10 for multiple years, and ranked in Top 10 at the moment of Fedor fight by some of the major MMA media from that time.


Sto stop with that UFC bias of disparaging every Japanese PRIDE fighter as can.
WW2 with Japan is long over.

... Are you unable to see with your own eyes what's right in front of you on video and you call ME biased?

And kid, don't even go there. I can easily dig up the comment where I called Fedor one of the all time greats not just of the HW division and explained why he's that way. Why do you kids get so easily triggered then say people are biased against what they criticize when it's merely the truth?

If you respect something, you don't make up stories about them. You give them respect by telling the truth and the truth is, Fujita's not a good fighter at all and Fedor's blitzes get wild at times. I never said Fedor's a bad fighter, I never said anything else about him. I ONLY mentioned the one area where he's lacking is the area Ngannou has been known to capitalize on and that's just so hard for you to comprehend.

Open your eyes. The damned punch is right there in front of you but you're like a teenager with their crush; totally unable to see reason even when its staring at you right in the face. Respect your idols enough to be truthful about them or you're no different from any other unreasonable fanboy.