Fedor Throwback

[Poatan Power]

He then swept from side mount into his own side mount less than a minute after the spike and clean ripped Monster’s arm off.

Probably the greatest sequence in MMA history

Watch how Fedor traps his arm with his hip/abdomen. Makes it impossible for him to post and block the transition. Very high level

 

[DayV]

... Are you unable to see with your own eyes what's right in front of you on video and you call ME biased?

And kid, don't even go there. I can easily dig up the comment where I called Fedor one of the all time greats not just of the HW division and explained why he's that way. Why do you kids get so easily triggered then say people are biased against what they criticize when it's merely the truth?

If you respect something, you don't make up stories about them. You give them respect by telling the truth and the truth is, Fujita's not a good fighter at all and Fedor's blitzes get wild at times. I never said Fedor's a bad fighter, I never said anything else about him. I ONLY mentioned the one area where he's lacking is the area Ngannou has been known to capitalize on and that's just so hard for you to comprehend.

Open your eyes. The damned punch is right there in front of you but you're like a teenager with their crush; totally unable to see reason even when its staring at you right in the face. Respect your idols enough to be truthful about them or you're no different from any other unreasonable fanboy.

You cannot call someone who was Top 5 on his peak, and often in Top 10 from 2000-2006 not good at all.

Fujita was at least equally good in wrestling, cardio and chin as Rozenstruik & Lewis in brawling. Fujita even developed heavy hands and brawling of his own, while they do not have a clue about wrestling, so Fujita was in fact more complete fighter than them.

 

[GOAT.]

You cannot call someone who was Top 5 on his peak, and often in Top 10 from 2000-2006 not good at all.

Fujita was at least equally good in wrestling, cardio and chin as Rozenstruik & Lewis in brawling. Fujita even developed heavy hands and brawling of his own, while they do not have a clue about wrestling, so Fujita was in fact more complete fighter than them.

Prime Fujita would beat bummy Lewis and no ground game Rosenthal like they stole something.

 

[Miokink026]

You cannot call someone who was Top 5 on his peak, and often in Top 10 from 2000-2006 not good at all.

Fujita was at least equally good in wrestling, cardio and chin as Rozenstruik & Lewis in brawling. Fujita even developed heavy hands and brawling of his own, while they do not have a clue about wrestling, so Fujita was in fact more complete fighter than them.

Yes I can, just as I can say Lewis is not good at all despite his ranking. Why? Because rankings aren't indications of how good a fighter is. You only need to see them fight to know how good they are. Why are you so intent on using rankings to judge fighters?

 

[HHJ]

How about this. This time, I won't break anything down. I'll keep it simple and only comment on one pointer at a time.



Fedor vs Fujita. 1:56, what was Fedor's choice of attack after a long period of circling? A leaping left hook with his chin straight in the air and his head on the center line. What's more, Fujita is one of the worst fighters in that era and he was roughly similar to Fedor in reach and height. Fedor still choose to use a

Let's just focus on one thing at a time. Just this one thing. There is no way you can deny this isn't terrible technique that would see him get countered by someone with whom he had to stay even further away from due to their height and reach and if that someone was a good counterstriker with heavy power...

Fedor's speed and power allowed him to do things other people couldnt get away with.

This is like complaining that roy jones doesnt use perfect technique. Who cares?

"this isnt what they teach in boxing so it sucks,and fedor sucks and the guys that didnt beat fedor suck"

 

[Fioretti]

Fedor's speed and power allowed him to do things other people couldnt get away with.

This is like complaining that roy jones doesnt use perfect technique. Who cares?

"this isnt what they teach in boxing so it sucks,and fedor sucks and the guys that didnt beat fedor suck"

What about when TK finished Fedor in seconds? That was good.

 

[HHJ]

What about when TK finished Fedor in seconds? That was good.

Fucking fairy tales m8

 

[Fioretti]

Fucking fairy tales m8

Seconds, sahn.

 

[Make Sherdog Great Again]

Fujita was Top 5 ranked fighter on his peak, also de facto world lineal champion.
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/kazuyuki-fujita.4200290/page-3#post-165822792
He was often ranked in Top 10 for multiple years, and ranked in Top 10 at the moment of Fedor fight by some of the major MMA media from that time.


Sto stop with that UFC bias of disparaging every Japanese PRIDE fighter as can.
WW2 with Japan is long over.

Fujita was a can who had never thrown a punch before. Even the commentators were openly joking about how bad he was. Grow up kid.

 

[Miokink026]

Fedor's speed and power allowed him to do things other people couldnt get away with.

This is like complaining that roy jones doesnt use perfect technique. Who cares?

"this isnt what they teach in boxing so it sucks,and fedor sucks and the guys that didnt beat fedor suck"

So you think Fedor's speed allowed him to get away with sloppy technique?

I mean, that's what you said. Fedor's athletic attributes was what made his techniques work. Forgive the directness but that's a very bad analysis. Fedor has really good technique and is also athletic as hell. It just happens that he can get a bit wild on certain entries. Even Jack Slack has admitted as such and he loves Fedor: "Of course there were occasions where Fedor got wild and his chin came up, but for the most part his technique was a great deal safer than most."

You can stop now my guy, because you're seriously not helping the dude I was debating against. In fact, you're a detriment. At least the other dude was very good in his analysis. You managed to give me ammo and also put words in my mouth. When did I say the technique sucked? When did I ever say Fedor sucked? I merely pointed out Fedor's entries left him open to counters at times due to their wildness and the fact that it's hard to manage distance using the technique even against those with similar reach. Fedor made it work but again, he was wild at times. And the video and timestamp there showed exactly such a situation.

Then, I pointed out Ngannou's reach, power and style hard countered one of the only areas of Fedor's game that weren't as polished as his others. Ngannou's power meant Fedor had to be perfect with his entries (wild at times), Ngannou's reach meant Fedor would have to blitz in from a further distance (hard to manage distance using the technique) and Ngannou has a good sense for timing counters using unorthodox angles.

This all led to my conclusive opinion that if they fought, Ngannou would have the edge (win 6/10 times). Nothing in my comments ever even implied Fedor sucked. In fact, I've written about how great he is and how it's basically impossible for anyone to match his accomplishments but go on, keep saying how I think Fedor sucked and how Fedor only got away with bad techniques because he was faster than his opponents.

 

[HHJ]

So you think Fedor's speed allowed him to get away with sloppy technique?

I mean, that's what you said. Fedor's athletic attributes was what made his techniques work. Forgive the directness but that's a very bad analysis. Fedor has really good technique and is also athletic as hell. It just happens that he can get a bit wild on certain entries. Even Jack Slack has admitted as such and he loves Fedor: "Of course there were occasions where Fedor got wild and his chin came up, but for the most part his technique was a great deal safer than most."

You can stop now my guy, because you're seriously not helping the dude I was debating against. In fact, you're a detriment. At least the other dude was very good in his analysis. You managed to give me ammo and also put words in my mouth. When did I say the technique sucked? When did I ever say Fedor sucked? I merely pointed out Fedor's entries left him open to counters at times due to their wildness and the fact that it's hard to manage distance using the technique even against those with similar reach. Fedor made it work but again, he was wild at times. And the video and timestamp there showed exactly such a situation.

Then, I pointed out Ngannou's reach, power and style hard countered one of the only areas of Fedor's game that weren't as polished as his others. Ngannou's power meant Fedor had to be perfect with his entries (wild at times), Ngannou's reach meant Fedor would have to blitz in from a further distance (hard to manage distance using the technique) and Ngannou has a good sense for timing counters using unorthodox angles.

This all led to my conclusive opinion that if they fought, Ngannou would have the edge (win 6/10 times). Nothing in my comments ever even implied Fedor sucked. In fact, I've written about how great he is and how it's basically impossible for anyone to match his accomplishments but go on, keep saying how I think Fedor sucked and how Fedor only got away with bad techniques because he was faster than his opponents.

I just said it.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

How about this. This time, I won't break anything down. I'll keep it simple and only comment on one pointer at a time.



Fedor vs Fujita. 1:56, what was Fedor's choice of attack after a long period of circling? A leaping left hook with his chin straight in the air and his head on the center line. What's more, Fujita is one of the worst fighters in that era and he was roughly similar to Fedor in reach and height. Fedor still choose to use a

Let's just focus on one thing at a time. Just this one thing. There is no way you can deny this isn't terrible technique that would see him get countered by someone with whom he had to stay even further away from due to their height and reach and if that someone was a good counterstriker with heavy power...

You seem to be of the opinion that you can make as many obviously wrong claims as you like and not have your credibility damaged as you jump to another arguement, the previous post you were IMHO clearly wrong to the point that I can't see it as anything but deliberate dishonesty several times which should kill any credibility you have, claiming an obviously slipped punch wasnt slipped, claiming Crocop wasnt a counter fighter. You can make as many long winded atempts at analysis you like but if it includes that kind of claim then I'll treat it was very little credibility.

As far as Fujita goes I think thats an obvious example of someone fighting to the level of an opponent(who was clearly not "the worst fighter of the era", another obviously wrong claim), maybe misjudging that level somewhat as Fujita had only recently developed much power(the earlier wins over people like Kerr being mostly via wrestling) but also quite a bit of luck involved with a blind punch landing perfectly. Even then of course we see a great comeback with Fedor finishing one of the toughest guys of the era within minutes of being badly hurt with a great body kick.

Against someone like Francis I think that mental side is a significant factor, one guy obviously significantly more prone to breaking mentally than the other and combined with cardio I suspect it would mean than Ngannou probably needs an early finish to win against an opponent with some of the best defence ever at HW.

 

[HHJ]

Seconds, sahn.

Ithinkyashouldfuckoffwhileyastillgotthelegstocarryya!

 

[Equinox Shadow]

Bullshit!! Love Fedor, loved watching him fight. But he was still in his prime fighting Werdum. He just made a horrible, horrible choice and got caught in a submission. Nothing to do with being in or out of his prime.
This might be hard to believe, but fighters do lose in their prime. It is not the end of the world. GSP lost twice in his prime, he shrugged it off and improved then avenged those two losses.

Fedor never lost in his prime. When he lost he was out of his prime. Then when he won again he was again in his prime... until he lost once more. At that point, he was back out of his prime. Time will tell if he is in his prime right now. If he wins the next one, he is.

 

[DesiredUserName]

Bullshit!! Love Fedor, loved watching him fight. But he was still in his prime fighting Werdum. He just made a horrible, horrible choice and got caught in a submission. Nothing to do with being in or out of his prime.
This might be hard to believe, but fighters do lose in their prime. It is not the end of the world. GSP lost twice in his prime, he shrugged it off and improved then avenged those two losses.

This might be hard to believe but the human language includes the use of something called sarcasm.

 

[Miokink026]

You seem to be of the opinion that you can make as many obviously wrong claims as you like and not have your credibility damaged as you jump to another arguement, the previous post you were IMHO clearly wrong to the point that I can't see it as anything but deliberate dishonesty several times which should kill any credibility you have, claiming an obviously slipped punch wasnt slipped, claiming Crocop wasnt a counter fighter. You can make as many long winded atempts at analysis you like but if it includes that kind of claim then I'll treat it was very little credibility.

As far as Fujita goes I think thats an obvious example of someone fighting to the level of an opponent(who was clearly not "the worst fighter of the era", another obviously wrong claim), maybe misjudging that level somewhat as Fujita had only recently developed much power(the earlier wins over people like Kerr being mostly via wrestling) but also quite a bit of luck involved with a blind punch landing perfectly. Even then of course we see a great comeback with Fedor finishing one of the toughest guys of the era within minutes of being badly hurt with a great body kick.

Against someone like Francis I think that mental side is a significant factor, one guy obviously significantly more prone to breaking mentally than the other and combined with cardio I suspect it would mean than Ngannou probably needs an early finish to win against an opponent with some of the best defence ever at HW.

You seem hell bent on ignoring every piece of evidence that aren't good for your arguments. I'm simply trying to make it easier for you to focus. For example, last time, I gave multiple points and timestamps and you only barely managed to scrap through the easiest one and never even touched upon the others. This time there's only one point to talk about and you still managed to ignore it and write an entire comment about Fujita's abilities....

1:36. Is that a good entry or not. Let's ignore everything else son, and just focus on that one instance okay?

I mean, I really am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here. I don't want to be like those silly fools who scream fanboy at every opportunity but you gotta work with me here. Your comment had three paragraphs, one useless, the other about Fujita and the third... what even was that?

Let's focus on 1:36. If you really want a good discussion, let's focus on 1:36. One instance, and see if you can admit something even Jack Slack admitted, and that guy loves Fedor.

 

[GOAT.]

What about when TK finished Fedor in seconds? That was good.

Wow amazing mma knowledge..sherdog level

 

[GOAT.]

Fujita was a can who had never thrown a punch before. Even the commentators were openly joking about how bad he was. Grow up kid.

Amazing MMA knowledge

 

[Deleted member 110072]

You seem hell bent on ignoring every piece of evidence that aren't good for your arguments. I'm simply trying to make it easier for you to focus. For example, last time, I gave multiple points and timestamps and you only barely managed to scrap through the easiest one and never even touched upon the others. This time there's only one point to talk about and you still managed to ignore it and write an entire comment about Fujita's abilities....

1:36. Is that a good entry or not. Let's ignore everything else son, and just focus on that one instance okay?

So basically I'v got to respond to every single point you ever make but you can pretty much just step away from the whole Fedpr/Crocop analysis when it suits you? I responded in detail to several of the points you made which were very obviously wrong and you offered no response at all, just dropped that arguably and switched to another you thought would make your case against Fujita and I'm the one with a credibility problem?

I responded to that point very credibly I would say, I pointed out that Fedor didnt fight Fujita in the same fashion he fought Mirko, he was obviously much more aggressive, less careful of an opponents threat being more willing to push forward with not so good timing and more willing to plant his feet and throw combos.

Ultimately thats a tactical decision a fighter makes, in this case I would say perhaps not the best one as he underestimated Fujita rather again probably because his striking ability wasnt very well known at that point. You see it elsewhere in his career against say Mark Coleman the 1st time were he doesnt focus much on avoiding the takedown or even losing position against Mark because he feels he can outgrapple him.

 

[Miokink026]

So basically I'v got to respond to every single point you ever make but you can pretty much just step away from the whole Fedpr/Crocop analysis when it suits you? I responded in detail to several of the points you made which were very obviously wrong and you offered no response at all, just dropped that arguably and switched to another you thought would make your case against Fujita and I'm the one with a credibility problem?

I responded to that point very credibly I would say, I pointed out that Fedor didnt fight Fujita in the same fashion he fought Mirko, he was obviously much more aggressive, less careful of an opponents threat being more willing to push forward with not so good timing and more willing to plant his feet and throw combos.

Ultimately thats a tactical decision a fighter makes, in this case I would say perhaps not the best one as he underestimated Fujita rather again probably because his striking ability wasnt very well known at that point. You see it elsewhere in his career against say Mark Coleman the 1st time were he doesnt focus much on avoiding the takedown or even losing position against Mark because he feels he can outgrapple him.

You responded to every point I made? Okay, did you even mention 12:20, the main example my point was based on, ONCE? If you can find even one instance of you mentioning 12:20, I will instantly apologize.

Oh yeah, what's more, this was my main point:

Now, Fedor's reaction time and speed both exceeds Ngannou's. However, as I've said, Ngannou's a counterstriker with a very good sense for timing. He also happens to be a terrifying knockout artist standing 6'4 with an 84 inch reach. If he leads, Fedor will defend just fine but the fact is he doesn't lead, and Fedor's preferred method of closing the distance is terrible against the hulking counterstriker with huge power and an insane reach advantage. In a nutshell, Fedor's weaknesses are Ngannou's strengths.​

You've never responded to these points either. I didn't want to insult you seeing as you were actually able to give me a good discussion so I changed the pace of this discussion to one point at a time but you just HAVE to bring this up huh? I discreetly copy pasted every time you didn't respond and didn't call you out but fine, let's get back to this one and let's actually discuss.