Facing easier competition in UFC

[JustOnce]

Ben Askren was a retired fighter with bad hip, Chandler like 36 years old who got murked in 1 minute by FW Patricio.

Very nice examples. How come you don't post the ones in their prime who came to the UFC and became champ (Eddie, Jiri, DDP etc)

DDP got KTFO by Soldic and immediately after signed with the UFC and went 8-0 with 6 finishes LOL

Every org who sent their top guys in their prime got the belts in the UFC (PRIDE, Strikeforce, Bellator, Rizin, WEC, KSW etc etc)

Even Bellator rejects like Buckley who got trashed by Storley 30-25 are top 5 in the UFC

Storley is really good too man, it really sucks for the guy too. He's really good, good enough to be top 5 in the UFC in his prime.

DDP is a wierd case too. There wasn't not much hype for him, like you say, getting ktfo by Soldic not that long ago, but he just kept delivering. Mad respect for the guy.

It's the wierd thing too. Sometimes people just run into less success outside. I know people wanted Soldic more. But he got sent to the next shadow realm, and I think the guy might be done. Wow, Soldic is already 30. Remember him like 26 some years old super prospect.

And yea, both guys were washed up. Askren was really good. But then again, that fluke ko by Masbumdal, I suppose it can happen to anybody. And I remember telling people Maia is tough fight for Askren! lol.

I think people assumed Askren had the top control of Shields. He didn't ;;

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[mister piscadinha]

but ur delirious if u really think sabatello would beat o'malley

 

[JustOnce]

ufc matchmaking is HORRIBLE, which is why u have average fighters going on 5-6 wins streaks before even facing a top15 opponent, and when that happens, the guy gets bitched

like i said, fighters should always 3-5 fights alway from a ts

but rn matchmaking is all over the place, everyone is one a "winstreak" today, cause there's a lot of cans to beat outside top15

I think I mentioned it here before, but I feel like, haven't like studied it or anything, but that 5th win streak usually is make or break deal. Or 6th, somewhere there.

I don't have no problem with signing cans, I mean all respect to everyone who fights, but it just sucks the whole cherry picking match making for favored fighters, and actual deserving fighters not getting signed. I don't like that at all.

I mean Kyle Daukaus fighting in the regional scene, but that guy is clearly better than Kevin Holland, who's fighting like every other weekend. Why is that?

Like mentioned in above thread, Danny Sabatello is like outside top 50, but he would wipe the floor with Sean O'Malley. But I guess he was not what UFC was looking for...

 

[JustOnce]

but ur delirious if u really think sabatello would beat o'malley

bruh we were on the same team, no friendly fire here lmao

of course sabatello would beat him EASY

easy money lol

 

[mister piscadinha]

Also let's not forget, UFC sometimes cut top 5 fighters for no reason. Askarov is the last guy Pantoja lost to. He also went to a draw against Moreno. He lost to Kai as a huge favourite, but it was pretty close too.

unfairly cut, but he absolutely ROBBED pantoja

 

[Streeter]

Exactly what division does UFC not have the best fighter in? Yes there's a few of PFL that would be true contenders maybe even future champs but no where near UFC .

 

[JustOnce]

unfairly cut, but he absolutely ROBBED pantoja

Askar Askarov def. Alexandre Pantoja :: UFC on ESPN+ 30 :: MMA Decisions

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don't know about that

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

It's a business. MVP isn't and never was a world class fighter, plenty of WWs and MWs outside the UFC beat this guy. Quality of UFC fighter is pretty low and well curated based on style, nationality, personality and looks.

I would not agree with this

 

[JustOnce]

Exactly what division does UFC not have the best fighter in? Yes there's a few of PFL that would be true contenders maybe even future champs but no where near UFC .

I think prime Ngannou runs over Aspinall or Jon Jones.
I don't think Pereia would've beaten LHW Nemkov.
Eblen vs anyone with MW belt is a toss up.
PFL Champ better than Belal.
Islam beats everybody though.
Topuria vs PFL Champ or Pico or OneFc Champ. Could go either way maybe.
And the list goes on.

I wouldn't say no where near UFC at all. UFC has special fighters like Islam and so on, but there are amazing talents out there UFC probably chose not to sign.

 

[JustOnce]

I would not agree with this

I think his TDD did improve, but I don't think he beats elite grapplers.

So it depends on the definition of it.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

I think his TDD did improve, but I don't think he beats elite grapplers.

So it depends on the definition of it.

I mean I'd say anyone who is in the UFC is a world class fighter, and Page just took Magomedov's 0, you'd reckon that qualifies.

 

[JustOnce]

I mean I'd say anyone who is in the UFC is a world class fighter, and Page just took Magomedov's 0, you'd reckon that qualifies.

Wouldn't agree with that. And I was never high on that kid though myself. If he beats Eblen from PFL, who's not even ranked in UFC, I would say that qualifies.

Or if he beats someone like Sean Brady in WW, I will give him that.

 

[mister piscadinha]

Askar Askarov def. Alexandre Pantoja :: UFC on ESPN+ 30 :: MMA Decisions

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don't know about that

pantoja won that fight man, trust me

 

[JustOnce]

I don't even think MVP is top 5 in PFL if they have kept Bellator roster.

 

[JustOnce]

pantoja won that fight man, trust me

lol alright alright man

 

[mister piscadinha]

bruh we were on the same team, no friendly fire here lmao

of course sabatello would beat him EASY

easy money lol

we fr be on the same team, you know ball

i do believe sean to be really talented tho

sure, he got merabed by merab but merab merabs everyone

 

[JustOnce]

we fr be on the same team, you know ball

i do believe sean to be really talented tho

sure, he got merabed by merab but merab merabs everyone

lol sean sucks.

but when petr yan was at his peak, i was the only guy around here who was saying sean was a better striker. I give credit where it's due.

as a MMA fighter? meh. I really doubt he beats Danny.

and btw, I was saying sean sucks when he was a champ too. i keep the same energy before after defeats and victories.

 

[mister piscadinha]

lol sean sucks.

but when petr yan was at his peak, i was the only guy around here who was saying sean was a better striker. I give credit where it's due.

as a MMA fighter? meh. I really doubt he beats Danny.

and btw, I was saying sean sucks when he was a champ too. i keep the same energy before after defeats and victories.

sucks is too harsh man, like, payton tallbot sucks

he's unidimensional but the best striker in the division

yan was robbed tho, by him and aljo

 

[JustOnce]

sucks is too harsh man, like, payton tallbot sucks

he's unidimensional but the best striker in the division

yan was robbed tho, by him and aljo

i rate talbot higher than sean.

as a matter of fact, the art of tomato can feeding that ufc did is so great, he has never faced anyone like talbot's last opponent outside merab in his entire ufc run. that's messed up.

yan was robbed frfr.

 

[rightfight777]

I agree! I don't quite know about the last one though. Personally, I wish they stood them up more. I mean guys like Doo Ho Choi for example as a most recent one. The guy was piecing the other guy up, but the guy was taking all his punches. Doo Ho Choi have a questionable chin and defense, so it looked to me the guy always had a chance as long as they stood standing though he was getting lit up. But Choi just decided to take him down not knowing anything remotely related to grappling on top. I dislike fighting like that. Guys who don't know fuck all about what to do on top but just get there to save their ass. I do feel like guys who do fuck all on top with intent to stall AND pitty patter punches to look like they are doing something should get stood up more often. I don't mean grapplers.

But yeah, I'm not sure about the last one but fully agree overall. It's ridiculous, and messed up.

There was supposed to be this pipeline of elite college wrestlers a few years ago, but it never materialized. I wonder why.

I true grappler knows what to do if take down but the guys now are mainly strikers with limited take down knowledge so not many can finish.