Social Even Democrats now agree : No Russian Collusion

Happy Man said:
The people of Crimea are Russian! You dolt. They are all families who are descendants of Russian military bases for hundreds of years.

They took over Crimea without a shot being fired. That should say something
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MikeMcMann said:
Do i need to quote you making statements as if Fact that were not?

You seem to like to try and hold a high bar for others but funny you think you have any credibility to do so.
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You also don’t seem to have a strong grasp on the English language. Not sure how you made it through Civ. Pro.
 
MikeMcMann said:
oh burn.

Keep ducking the facts. Still waiting for you to reply but know why you won't.
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Still waiting on you to cite a statute, but we both know that time has come and gone.

Seriously, where did you get your legal education?
 
Cake4Breakfast said:
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Russians and Russian speaking Ukrainians make up 90% of Crimea. 10% are Tatars.

Ukriane never owned Crimea in history. Ever.

In the 60's, kruscheav changed Crimea to the Ukraine SSR to help with the bureaucracy of it all.

When the Soviet Union collapsed, Russia was going to go to war over Crimea . As it was always viewed as Russian land. They got a promise that the bases would still be theirs, which they agreed to.

After Syria, our government establishment was furious that Russia helped Assad save his people from our terrorist groups like al qaeda (al nusra), tahrar al sham, and the gulf backed Islamic state.
To punish Russia, we fomented a violent overthrow of the democratically elected Ukrainian government(as verified by all western election watchdogs)

Go listen to Samantha powers on that. Russia knew the installled puppet was going scrap the military bases deal. So they took back their land. The land that hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers have died to keep over hundreds of years.


Read a book
 
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TheBlondBomber said:
Still waiting on you to cite a statute, but we both know that time has come and gone.

Seriously, where did you get your legal education?
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Troll on brother. Pretend you did not see the facts I presented.


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- Fact : Trump calls for Russia to hack Hilary and help his campaign (video evidence available)
- Fact : Russia the same day begins hacking the DNC and a social media campaign to impact voting districts to sway voters from Hilary to Trump (FBI, CIA, Homeland Security and NSA confirmed)
- Fact : Manafort sends internal polling data to Russian agents which is against the law. Simply sending them breaks the law even if they never used them. FACT

happy to bet on the above and substantiate all fact for anyone who disputes.
 
MikeMcMann said:
Troll on brother. Pretend you did not see the facts I presented.


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- Fact : Trump calls for Russia to hack Hilary and help his campaign (video evidence available)
- Fact : Russia the same day begins hacking the DNC and a social media campaign to impact voting districts to sway voters from Hilary to Trump (FBI, CIA, Homeland Security and NSA confirmed)
- Fact : Manafort sends internal polling data to Russian agents which is against the law. Simply sending them breaks the law even if they never used them. FACT

happy to bet on the above and substantiate all fact for anyone who disputes.
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Oh. We’ll pack it up boys. He used green font. Tell Mueller to add him to his team.
 
sniper said:
You know what would be brilliant..., if someone set up the national Enquirer and other crazy magazines to purposefully discredit stories. I've never thought of it that way. But I bet I'm right.
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You'd make a great editor. ;)
 
Cake4Breakfast said:
1. Because Trump lacks frontal inhibition (per his lawyer Dowd explaining why Trump is incapable of not lying to Meuller in a deposition) and says stupid shit off the cuff, and didn't give Manafort the time until Manafort met with Kilimnik again on 8/2?
2. Because it was a direct message from Trump himself that could be played off as a joke?
3. It's funny that a conspiracy theorist such as yourself just writes off the timing of Russia's first spearfishing attempts targeting email accounts linked to Hillary. Mueller didn't.
4. And how dare you call me a retard Bob, you take that back!:D
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You’ve gone full tin foil brah.

You’re better than this cake.
 
MikeMcMann said:
- Fact : Manafort sends internal polling data to Russian agents which is against the law. Simply sending them breaks the law even if they never used them. FACT
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I dunno mate. https://www.justsecurity.org/62201/...eopardy-manaforts-sharing-data-russian-agent/

This article sums it up nicely. For it to be illegal, the data has to be used to influence ad buys or some other contribution;

or if it wasn't used, Manafort has to have requested that it be used to influence ad buys.

However, since Manafort was a campaign official, it doesn't matter if he did it as a 'private citizen' or whether Trump knew- it is still illegal if one of the above conditions are met.

The other weird thing is that they have to show Manafort was aware of those campaign finance laws, which seems weird because you don't get that ignorance excuse for almost any other crime.

Can any reasonable person admit that what Manafort did was likely illegal based on these laws? Sure, hard to argue it wasn't more likely than not that polling data was shared for some sort of election related activity, and whether Trump knew or Paul did it for personal enrichment doesn't matter. Not to mention he would rather stay in jail for the rest of his life instead of tell the truth about this exact subject.

That said though, with the evidence we are aware of it doesn't look like it is provably illegal.

The conservatives in this thread (and apologies if there are some that are being intellectually honest) are pretending "no publicly available legal standard evidence of collusion" is the same as "there was no collusion". That's about as disingenuous as saying Al Capone was not a gangster, only a tax evader and carried a gun one time.

However unless you have a source that shows it is illegal just to give polling data without the data being used, it cant be stated as fact that sharing the data was illegal.

I would need good odds to bet on this, because either Russians or Manafort or the witness they were tampering with would have to provide the evidence. They will never get anything out of the Russians, Manafort has already chosen life in prison over telling the truth, so who knows maybe the witness will flip. But I don't think there is a way on paper they could prove the polling data was used to Target ads, unless idk ads with something super super specific were bought that couldn't have been figured out without that data. Unlikely though.

Gates has already informed on the Russian and Manaforts meetings so I guess there's a chance he could provide/could have already provided the rest of the evidence.
 
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bobgeese said:
You’ve gone full tin foil brah.

You’re better than this cake.
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You didn't read my original link did you Bob? Are you seriously arguing that the Russians didn't take that statement as a cue, or just that Trump didn't mean it that way? Beyond my own incredulity about such an improbable coincidence, why do you think Mueller made sure to note that coincidence in his indictment of those 12 Russian hackers? Funny too that between him saying that on TV and Manafort and Gates meeting with Kilimnik (and all leaving through different doors, per Gates) that Trump went on MSNBC and talked about how "the people of Crimea, from what I have heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were", it's almost like he is saying what Putin would have wanted him to say.

And... I am not hearing you take back calling me a retard, you have insulted my honor and I demand satisfaction.

 
Happy Man said:
Russians and Russian speaking Ukrainians make up 90% of Crimea. 10% are Tatars.

Ukriane never owned Crimea in history. Ever.

In the 60's, kruscheav changed Crimea to the Ukraine SSR to help with the bureaucracy of it all.

When the Soviet Union collapsed, Russia was going to go to war over Crimea . As it was always viewed as Russian land. They got a promise that the bases would still be theirs, which they agreed to.

After Syria, our government establishment was furious that Russia helped Assad save his people from our terrorist groups like al qaeda (al nusra), tahrar al sham, and the gulf backed Islamic state.
To punish Russia, we fomented a violent overthrow of the democratically elected Ukrainian government(as verified by all western election watchdogs)

Go listen to Samantha powers on that. Russia knew the installled puppet was going scrap the military bases deal. So they took back their land. The land that hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers have died to keep over hundreds of years.


Read a book
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Why do you think Trump was talking about Crimean public opinion, who do you think told him anything about Crimean public opinion, and who do you think wanted him to advocate for that radical position for the GOP and the USA, the fucking stork?<puh-lease75>
 
MikeMcMann said:
No the crimes being investigate are 'links and coordination' between the Trump campaign, Trump and Russia.

You guys need to go read the Mueller mandate or STFU.

'Leaks and Coordination' fall under the umbrella term of collusion. They are the elements of the crime.

So colluding is not the crime but the elements you will be charged with are the leaks and coordination. And so far Mueller has already got guilty findings and pleas from many in Trumps Campaign for just that. His investigation so far has been more successful than I think anyone expected.
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ROFL! The only people that "leaked" were Comey, Steele, McCabe, and other DoJ / FBI Officials.

Two teams "colluded" first was the Clinton/Democrat team that funded Steele who worked with the Russians, and then leaked his lies to Yahoo News. The second team was the DoJ / FBI that signed FISA Warrants that contained damaging information that was never verified. That is not supposed to happen, is illegal, and multiple DoJ / FBI officials signed off on it, knowing the law, and knowing the material was not verified per Bruce Ohr's testimony.

Thanks for teeing that one up... I left the souvenir in the parking lot for you.
 
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