Social Even Democrats now agree : No Russian Collusion

[Farmer Br0wn]

Lefties in this thread:

 

[MikeMcMann]

That's the exact opposite of what the judge implied in his ruling by calling Manafort a liar.

Deep state.

Judge smudge.

Fake news.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Lefties in this thread:

anyone suggesting this is not real and Mueller has not been delivering huge on his mandate and that of Trump to drain the swamp is smoking something.

(needs to be updated with recent Manafort guilt finding for lying)


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The full list of known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe
1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was arrested in July 2017 and pleaded guilty in October 2017 to making false statements to the FBI. He got a 14-day sentence.

2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances. He had two trials scheduled, and the first ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in September 2018 (though Mueller’s team said in November that he breached that agreementby lying to them).

3) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February 2018 he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

4) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December 2017 to making false statements to the FBI.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller. He was sentenced to 6 months in prison and 6 months of home detention in October 2018.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine. He was sentenced to 30 days in jail and has completed his sentence.

23) Konstantin Kilimnik: This longtime business associate of Manafort and Gates, who’s currently based in Russia, was charged alongside Manafort with attempting to obstruct justice by tampering with witnesses in Manafort’s pending case last year.

24-35) 12 Russian GRU officers: These officers of Russia’s military intelligence service were charged with crimes related to the hacking and leaking of leading Democrats’ emails in 2016.

36) Michael Cohen: In August 2018, Trump’s former lawyer pleaded guilty to 8 counts — tax and bank charges, related to his finances and taxi business, and campaign finance violations — related to hush money payments to women who alleged affairs with Donald Trump, as part of a separate investigation in New York (that Mueller had handed off). But in November, he made a plea deal with Mueller too, for lying to Congress about efforts to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.

37) Roger Stone: In January 2019, Mueller indicted longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone on 7 counts. He accused Stone of lying to the House Intelligence Committee about his efforts to get in touch with WikiLeaks during the campaign, and tampering with a witness who could have debunked his story.

Finally, there is one other person Mueller initially investigated, but handed over to others in the Justice Department to charge: Sam Patten. This Republican operative and lobbyist pleaded guilty to not registering as a foreign agent with his work for Ukrainian political bigwigs, and agreed to cooperate with the government.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

anyone suggesting this is not real and Mueller has not been delivering huge on his mandate and that of Trump to drain the swamp is smoking something.

(needs to be updated with recent Manafort guilt finding for lying)


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The full list of known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe
1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was arrested in July 2017 and pleaded guilty in October 2017 to making false statements to the FBI. He got a 14-day sentence.

2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances. He had two trials scheduled, and the first ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in September 2018 (though Mueller’s team said in November that he breached that agreementby lying to them).

3) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February 2018 he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

4) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December 2017 to making false statements to the FBI.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller. He was sentenced to 6 months in prison and 6 months of home detention in October 2018.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine. He was sentenced to 30 days in jail and has completed his sentence.

23) Konstantin Kilimnik: This longtime business associate of Manafort and Gates, who’s currently based in Russia, was charged alongside Manafort with attempting to obstruct justice by tampering with witnesses in Manafort’s pending case last year.

24-35) 12 Russian GRU officers: These officers of Russia’s military intelligence service were charged with crimes related to the hacking and leaking of leading Democrats’ emails in 2016.

36) Michael Cohen: In August 2018, Trump’s former lawyer pleaded guilty to 8 counts — tax and bank charges, related to his finances and taxi business, and campaign finance violations — related to hush money payments to women who alleged affairs with Donald Trump, as part of a separate investigation in New York (that Mueller had handed off). But in November, he made a plea deal with Mueller too, for lying to Congress about efforts to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.

37) Roger Stone: In January 2019, Mueller indicted longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone on 7 counts. He accused Stone of lying to the House Intelligence Committee about his efforts to get in touch with WikiLeaks during the campaign, and tampering with a witness who could have debunked his story.

Finally, there is one other person Mueller initially investigated, but handed over to others in the Justice Department to charge: Sam Patten. This Republican operative and lobbyist pleaded guilty to not registering as a foreign agent with his work for Ukrainian political bigwigs, and agreed to cooperate with the government.

That's quite a list of people who aren't President Trump you have there.......

With each passing day, this video describes you better and better:

 

[44nutman]

I think you are vastly overestimating Trump's sense of loyalty and graciousness for those that have lent him money, Trump is obviously compromised in some way when it comes to Russia. Beyond all of the facts behind the lies and known shadiness surrounding Russia before the election and after Comey's firing, at the expense of constant bad press, Trump has continued to question US intelligence in favor of Putin's "strong" denials, has hidden meeting with Putin from the press, hasn't shared the details of Putin meetings with people in his cabinet, has absconded with the interpreter's notes from those meetings, and has generally allowed himself to appear inferior and weak in comparison to the leader of a country with the GDP of New York State. Trump's whole identity is about showing strength and fighting for power, respect, and fear, but not once when it comes to Putin. His performance in Helsinki was shocking, after his private meeting with Putin he looked like a lumbering offensive lineman at Alabama after a tough film session with Coach Saban.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

It’s so funny watching the entire Republican Party celebrate criminality.

The most dangerous political party strikes again. Their headmistress Sean Hannity has stated over and over again how these people are “innocent who had their lives ruined by the investigation.” Criminals are now innocent little babes.

Everyone always knew you were fakes it’s just so blatantly obvious now it’s comical.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Remember that whole "holding your breath" thing?


Don't do it.

God does not give a shit about elections or the Mueller investigation, or fucking Politics anyway.

Right, @Ripskater ?

Everything that happens is god's will. It's god's will that Trump's inner circle like Cohen go to prison.

Right @Ripskater ?

 

[MikeMcMann]

That's quite a list of people who aren't President Trump you have there.......

With each passing day, this video describes you better and better:

Ummm.

This thread is about Russian collusion and more specifically the Mueller mandate which was to find out if the Trump Campaign or Trump himself had and 'links' or 'coordination' with Russia. You should probably read it or refrain from commenting in the future.

That list shows Mueller's investigation has been a massive success and right on point.

 

[tinker_190]

Dated as there are more now but I like the format.


All of Trump’s Russia Ties, in 7 Charts

I found this really compelling until they brought in Fedor. I just can't take the idea of a guy who gets punched in the head for a living being the secret link between political operatives, and if a connection that weak derives a link, then how solid are the other lines really?

 

[HomeCheese]

Kinda strange how much lying is going on for there to be no collusion. The investigation needs to run it's course and we should wait until it is complete to judge.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

Kinda strange how much lying is going on for there to be no collusion. The investigation needs to run it's course and we should wait until it is complete to judge.

The likelihood of the Senate and Mueller investigations coming to wildly different conclusions, is pretty much 0%.

Sorry, it's already over.

 

[MikeMcMann]

The likelihood of the Senate and Mueller investigations coming to wildly different conclusions, is pretty much 0%.

Sorry, it's already over.

ya you've said that stupidity before and everyone pointed and laughed at you so...

 

[panamaican]

The likelihood of the Senate and Mueller investigations coming to wildly different conclusions, is pretty much 0%.

Sorry, it's already over.

I think people just paper over the phrase "no direct evidence" and replace it with "no evidence at all".

No one has claimed that there is zero evidence, only that they have no direct evidence. But as any lawyer can tell you, you don't need direct evidence to prove a case. The totality of circumstantial evidence is often more than often to yield the same proof.

Now, I don't claim to know what will be in the report, only that it's inaccurate to equate "no direct evidence" with "no evidence at all".

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

ya you've said that stupidity before and everyone pointed and laughed at you so...

The likelihood of the Mueller and Senate investigations coming to wildly different conclusions is pretty much 0%.

No one on this form has ever given a valid counter or retort to this statement.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

I think people just paper over the phrase "no direct evidence" and replace it with "no evidence at all".

No one has claimed that there is zero evidence, only that they have no direct evidence. But as any lawyer can tell you, you don't need direct evidence to prove a case. The totality of circumstantial evidence is often more than often to yield the same proof.

Now, I don't claim to know what will be in the report, only that it's inaccurate to equate "no direct evidence" with "no evidence at all".

Because in this particular instance, it's a distinction without a difference. It is worth noting that is not the case in every instance, but it is the case in this particular instance.

Do you agree, or disagree with this statement:

The likelihood of the Mueller and Senate investigations coming to wildly different conclusions is pretty much 0%.

 

[MikeMcMann]

The likelihood of the Mueller and Senate investigations coming to wildly different conclusions is pretty much 0%.

No one on this form has ever given a valid counter or retort to this statement.

Because its a stupid statement. People do not retort such abject retardedness. They laugh at it.

Even the Senate Republicans admit their scope and investigation was not the same as Muellers.

A similar stupid statement you can make would be 'A House investigation of lying to Congress led by Republicans will not come to a widely different result than a Democratic one, the chance is pretty much 0%' and it would and should meet with equal ridicule. The Repub's said they did not call Don Jr and others back to question them on lying because they had different priorities and a different scope. The Dem's have changed the scope and priorities and will call them all back and will certainly get a very different result.

You cannot find what you make sure you do not look for by controlling the scope.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

That's quite a list of people who aren't President Trump you have there.......

With each passing day, this video describes you better and better:

You might get all the Capos but you'll never get The Don...

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I found this really compelling until they brought in Fedor. I just can't take the idea of a guy who gets punched in the head for a living being the secret link between political operatives, and if a connection that weak derives a link, then how solid are the other lines really?

Just think of Schmeling and Louis. Athletes are used by governments all time. I didn't read the link so don't know the specifics but that Fedor would have a link to Putin is pretty much normal.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

The likelihood of the Mueller and Senate investigations coming to wildly different conclusions is pretty much 0%.

No one on this form has ever given a valid counter or retort to this statement.

An independent investigation versus a partisan investigation. Lawmakers versus professional prosecutors. I'd say those are big differences.

 

[tinker_190]

Just think of Schmeling and Louis. Athletes are used by governments all time. I didn't read the link so don't know the specifics but that Fedor would have a link to Putin is pretty much normal.

You're missing the point. The 'links' here are supposed to be indicative of some nefarious, clandestine relationship and/or facilitating the Trump-Russia meta-narrative. Yet Fedor is an included link. I just cannot see how he could possibly be involved in a secret geopolitical agenda.

This link is extremely loose, which makes me question every other link listed.