Social Even Democrats now agree : No Russian Collusion

[Cake4Breakfast]

Here you go dumbass.

He was ultimately demoted—twice—following a House intelligence committee investigation. The first demotion came on Dec. 6, 2017, when he was stripped of his associate deputy AG title and ousted from the fourth floor of Main Justice. The second demotion occurred Jan. 8, 2018, when he was stripped of his title as head of the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Forces.


And the only reason his ass isn’t in the unemployment line is he spilled the beans on the rest of the players.


PS, maybe you should read more John Solomon and embarrass yourself less.

So not "fired" then right?

And, dumbass? Such hostility lately Bob, you drinking too much coffee?

And the challenge still stands, show me a single person who was "fired" for anything having to do with crossfire hurricane. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I don't know of anything like that happening, and I watch Fox News Sunday most weeks and read most of what the right wingers on here have to say in these threads.

Your links to the Fox News articles show that Ohr lost status positions, but if you critically read those articles and look at what the DOJ actually said for the two demotions, it wasn't him being demoted for anything having to do with the Russia investigation, the contacts with Steele and Simpson were not even mentioned by the DOJ in its explanation for his first demotion: "a Justice Department official told Fox News: "It is unusual for anyone to wear two hats as he has done recently. This person is going to go back to a single focus—director of our organized crime and drug enforcement unit. As you know, combating transnational criminal organizations and drug trafficking is a top priority for the attorney general.""

And the second demotion seems to be related to Ohr's working on Project Cassandra, which Sessions' DOJ was concerned about the Obama Administration hampering it.

So, beyond people even being fired, I am asking for something the IG said, something Wray or Rosenstein said about Ohr's conduct undermining the validity of the investigation, not something some anonymous DOJ insider ("Sweaty" Matt Whitaker maybe?) said to Fox News so it could spin the demotions. Why bullshit officially if Ohr did something egregiously wrong when it comes to Russia, makes the demotions seem politically punitive when DOJ insiders give a different answer off the record?

Meanwhile Mueller continues to demonstrate why the FBI was so concerned in 2016. Big week for Mueller, judge agreed that Manafort violated his plea deal (campaign chair sharing US polling data with a pro Russia Ukranian connected to Russian intelligence, and then not being honest about it to the special counsel), and another judge agreed that Stone should be gagged and shouldn't be free to tamper with any more witnesses and taint the jury pool. Stone is in deep shit, and doesn't seem to have any defense beyond attack the prosecutors, which is what you do when you don't have a defense. Didn't work for Manafort at any stage of his legal trouble, and Manafort should be spending most of his remaining years eating ramen noodles and slim jims behind bars.

And attacking the prosecutors is all you have heard Trump defenders doing all along, not defending, and not even addressing all of the lying to the press about Russia, not addressing the lying to congress about Russia, not addressing the witness tampering from people Trump has been praising for not flipping, not addressing Trump, on the world stage, believing Putin's "strong" denial over everyone in US intel and saying that Putin's offer to allow Russian intelligence to assist in the Russian interference investigation was a great offer. I mean come on!

 

[bobgeese]

So not "fired" then right?

And, dumbass? Such hostility lately Bob, you drinking too much coffee?

And the challenge still stands, show me a single person who was "fired" for anything having to do with crossfire hurricane. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I don't know of anything like that happening, and I watch Fox News Sunday most weeks and read most of what the right wingers on here have to say in these threads.

Your links to the Fox News articles show that Ohr lost status positions, but if you critically read those articles and look at what the DOJ actually said for the two demotions, it wasn't him being demoted for anything having to do with the Russia investigation, the contacts with Steele and Simpson were not even mentioned by the DOJ in its explanation for his first demotion: "a Justice Department official told Fox News: "It is unusual for anyone to wear two hats as he has done recently. This person is going to go back to a single focus—director of our organized crime and drug enforcement unit. As you know, combating transnational criminal organizations and drug trafficking is a top priority for the attorney general.""

And the second demotion seems to be related to Ohr's working on Project Cassandra, which Sessions' DOJ was concerned about the Obama Administration hampering it.

So, beyond people even being fired, I am asking for something the IG said, something Wray or Rosenstein said about Ohr's conduct undermining the validity of the investigation, not something some anonymous DOJ insider ("Sweaty" Matt Whitaker maybe?) said to Fox News so it could spin the demotions. Why bullshit officially if Ohr did something egregiously wrong when it comes to Russia, makes the demotions seem politically punitive when DOJ insiders give a different answer off the record?

Meanwhile Mueller continues to demonstrate why the FBI was so concerned in 2016. Big week for Mueller, judge agreed that Manafort violated his plea deal (campaign chair sharing US polling data with a pro Russia Ukranian connected to Russian intelligence, and then not being honest about it to the special counsel), and another judge agreed that Stone should be gagged and shouldn't be free to tamper with any more witnesses and taint the jury pool. Stone is in deep shit, and doesn't seem to have any defense beyond attack the prosecutors, which is what you do when you don't have a defense. Didn't work for Manafort at any stage of his legal trouble, and Manafort should be spending most of his remaining years eating ramen noodles and slim jims behind bars.

And attacking the prosecutors is all you have heard Trump defenders doing all along, not defending, and not even addressing all of the lying to the press about Russia, not addressing the lying to congress about Russia, not addressing the witness tampering from people Trump has been praising for not flipping, not addressing Trump, on the world stage, believing Putin's "strong" denial over everyone in US intel and saying that Putin's offer to allow Russian intelligence to assist in the Russian interference investigation was a great offer. I mean come on!

This is fun.


Now spin Baker and Page resigning.


Surely, they didn’t work their whole lives to get into high positions at the fbi, to suddenly quit before retirement.

Surely these folks weren’t dragged in front on congress to testify of their and others wrongdoing.

Surely Strzok didn’t specifically mention he was worried what Baker would tell them.




PS, I’ve grown tired of disingenuous leftists pretending the world is on fire when America is doing better that it has in as long as I can actually remember. You’re just so transparent.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

They apparently have Stone's convos with WikiLeaks, which is a propaganda arm of the Kremlin.

May not be any collusion, but it's either a red cunt hair away, or the attempt failed, trying. In my opinion.

 

[vengeful]

Prosecutors said for the first time that they have evidence of Roger Stone communicating with WikiLeaks, according to a new court filing from special counsel prosecutors.

During its investigation of the Russian hack of the Democrats, "the government obtained and executed dozens of search warrants on various accounts used to facilitate the transfer of stolen documents for release, as well as to discuss the timing and promotion of their release," the prosecutors wrote Friday to a federal judge.
"Several of those search warrants were executed on accounts that contained Stone's communications with Guccifer 2.0 and with Organization 1," which is WikiLeaks.

Guess Roger Stone wasn't part of the Trump Campaign and he's just a coffee boy. Seems like this is evidence of collusion with Russians.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Guess Roger Stone wasn't part of the Trump Campaign and he's just a coffee boy. Seems like this is evidence of collusion with Russians.

The outcome will be that his best people tried to collude, probably a few more notches on Mueller's belt, but IMO he's as far up the chain as it'll go.

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

This is fun.


Now spin Baker and Page resigning.


Surely, they didn’t work their whole lives to get into high positions at the fbi, to suddenly quit before retirement.

Surely these folks weren’t dragged in front on congress to testify of their and others wrongdoing.

Surely Strzok didn’t specifically mention he was worried what Baker would tell them.




PS, I’ve grown tired of disingenuous leftists pretending the world is on fire when America is doing better that it has in as long as I can actually remember. You’re just so transparent.

I didn't spin anything, you jumped into a conversation I was having with someone else with a smart ass comment, and I asked you to back up your comment with a source. I looked closely at your Bruce Ohr example, and it seems you are just quitting on that one rather than addressing the issues I brought up.

And even with Strzok and Page, provide a source that shows that the IG, Wray, or Rosenstein, etc., have said that Strzok and Page wronged Trump, that there was actual bias in their actual work and not just in their pillow talk and personal communications (did the tapes of Mark Fuhrman's racism make you lose focus on OJ's crimes). It's clear that Strzok thought Trump and his crew were dirty and guilty, which over time has looked more and more true, which is why Trump supporters try to keep the focus off the actual crimes people in Trump's campaign have committed, and are going to jail for, and try to keep the focus off of Trump's lies and fears about having to sit for a deposition, and are focusing on some nebulous and ineffable conspiracy against Trump by some nebulous and ineffable deep state. Trump supporters can't seem to debate these points, yall always just quit and/or try to change the subject and derail the threads.

And oh the irony Bob, talk about "disingenuous" and "transparent" , your PS statement shows your hole cards, that for you it doesn't matter because you think the end justifies the means. Trump supporters like you just need to cut the shit and stop wasting everyone's time with the half assed pathetic arguments and bullshit excuses and be honest, most of you ultimately don't care if the Trump campaign conspired with Russia to beat Hillary, and you don't care if Trump has tried his best to obstruct justice to try to protect himself and his crew from any legal liability for any conspiracy.

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

The outcome will be that his best people tried to collude, probably a few more notches on Mueller's belt, but IMO he's as far up the chain as it'll go.

I think that depends on the pardons. If they don't come, after 6 months in prison, Manafort might be more amenable to cooperating to make his life more comfortable.

 

[bobgeese]

I didn't spin anything, you jumped into a conversation I was having with someone else with a smart ass comment, and I asked you to back up your comment with a source. I looked closely at your Bruce Ohr example, and it seems you are just quitting on that one rather than addressing the issues I brought up.

And even with Strzok and Page, provide a source that shows that the IG, Wray, or Rosenstein, etc., have said that Strzok and Page wronged Trump, that there was actual bias in their actual work and not just in their pillow talk and personal communications (did the tapes of Mark Fuhrman's racism make you lose focus on OJ's crimes). It's clear that Strzok thought Trump and his crew were dirty and guilty, which over time has looked more and more true, which is why Trump supporters try to keep the focus off the actual crimes people in Trump's campaign have committed, and are going to jail for, and try to keep the focus off of Trump's lies and fears about having to sit for a deposition, and are focusing on some nebulous and ineffable conspiracy against Trump by some nebulous and ineffable deep state. Trump supporters can't seem to debate these points, yall always just quit and/or try to change the subject and derail the threads.

And oh the irony Bob, talk about "disingenuous" and "transparent" , your PS statement shows your hole cards, that for you it doesn't matter because you think the end justifies the means. Trump supporters like you just need to cut the shit and stop wasting everyone's time with the half assed pathetic arguments and bullshit excuses and be honest, most of you ultimately don't care if the Trump campaign conspired with Russia to beat Hillary, and you don't care if Trump has tried his best to obstruct justice to try to protect himself and his crew from any legal liability for any conspiracy.

I’m a partisan, never claimed I wasn’t.


There’s a world of difference between that and you disingenuous leftists.

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

I’m a partisan, never claimed I wasn’t.


There’s a world of difference between that and you disingenuous leftists.

You claimed that you had an actual argument, just stop pretending like you have a substantive argument beyond "the leader is good the leader is great I surrender my will as of this date."

 

[7437]

The outcome will be that his best people tried to collude, probably a few more notches on Mueller's belt, but IMO he's as far up the chain as it'll go.

Might take a shot at Jr