Does know one realize this? Kamaru Usman is shaping up to be the GOAT

Most GOAT candidates have problems with their case:

- Losses
- Steroid violations (Jones)
- Weak strength of schedule / fighting cans (Fedor, Jones)
- Not enough title defenses (DC. Khabib)
- Point fighting (GSP)
- Squeaking by with wins / close victories (GSP)
- Rapid decline in career in older age (Silva, Fedor)
- Retired too early (Khabib)

Kamarudeen so far has none of these issues.

Okay, first thing first, GSP and Fedor are my co-GOATs (GSP because of the quality of his opposition, and the fact that he's avenged both his losses; one of them, twice)
BUT as I've been saying for a long time, Usman could become a consensus top 3 GOAT if he defends a few more times.

I actually like Kamaru, him taking the belt from Woodley in such a dominating fashion was fantastic... I wouldn't be mad if he surpassed GSP as the consensus UFC GOAT.

But he does has issues, contrary to what you stated:
He never avenged his loss to "the Fresh Prince of Kendall" , Jose "Know Way" Caceres, (brother of the legendary Bruce Leeroy)
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Avenging losses is extremely important; even before Anderson screwed himself over being a GOAT candidate by finally getting caught red handed juicing, there was criticism over him not being willing to rematch those who had beaten him before PRIDE and in it
(he was 28 and 29 when he got tapped out by Takase and Chonan, and was one of Chute Boxe's top guys, he was in his prime despite what AS nuthuggers might say; these guys even like to pretend that he wasn't juiced up before the UFC )


If he gets past Khamzat, the division is pretty clear. He could easily string together 4 more defenses.

At that point he's the GOAT, undisputed.

Israel Adesanya was shaping up to be a GOAT, but then he kinda got son'd by a subpar LHW champ, which kind of sullies his case.

I love Usman, and I dislike Adesanya, so I was glad he lost and that Kamaru was bumped in the P4P rankings, but Isreal didn't get "son'd" by any mean.
He lost a pretty close decision, and he lost, no way around it, but it was still a relatively close fight in which Adesanya won 2 rounds.

He beat Colby, twice. That alone is a huge accomplishment. That's like Jones beating DC, or Fedor beat Cro Cop.
 
Lost me at Jones’ resume being can crushing. That’s quite a revision of events. His resume has more depth than Usman’s by a landslide.
 
Post the international media scores ….I’ll be waiting….no possible way Colby won 3 rounds of that fight ….crazy talk
funny cause if you look at mmadecision same website you quoted 71% had colby winning the third and a majority had round 3-4-5 for colby
 
Of his 5 title defenses, 4 of them were against 2 guys twice (Mas whom you could theoretically argue isn't that great a fighter & Colby). He doesn't have nearly as many top 5 & top 10 wins as GSP, or even title defenses. GOAT isn't about who would beat who, prime for prime, its about overall longevity including time of reign as #1 or champ, # of top 5, top 10 wins, & title defenses. Even in beating Colby & Burns, he looked very beatable, they weren't dominant 5 rd beatdowns, some would even argue Colby deserved the nod (I do not agree with that, I think Usman deserved the win)
 
I think the real issue is that Jones has a lot of wins over top guys . . . who were already in their twilight. That's not his fault, that's just circumstance, and you can't hold that against Jones (and former champs and savvy vets that have lost a step aren't "cans" either). Taking steroids to cheat over, and over, and over again, however, was/is Jone's fault.
when he fought Rashad and Machida they were in their primes. Same for Gus, DC, etc...
 
Most GOAT candidates have problems with their case:

- Losses
- Steroid violations (Jones)
- Weak strength of schedule / fighting cans (Fedor, Jones)
- Not enough title defenses (DC. Khabib)
- Point fighting (GSP)
- Squeaking by with wins / close victories (GSP)
- Rapid decline in career in older age (Silva, Fedor)
- Retired too early (Khabib)

Kamarudeen so far has none of these issues.

If he gets past Khamzat, the division is pretty clear. He could easily string together 4 more defenses.

At that point he's the GOAT, undisputed.

Israel Adesanya was shaping up to be a GOAT, but then he kinda got son'd by a subpar LHW champ, which kind of sullies his case.

Kinda nuts, huh? Kamaru can be the GOAT if he plays his cards right. Weird to think about.

** GOAT fighter, Conor is undisputed GOAT prize fighter in the UFC.
Usman has done both things you put down for GSP. He just squeaked by his last fight.

He hugged and foot stomped Masvidal for 5 rounds. Literally worse than any GSP title defense.
 
I guess there's different views on this.

My personal view is that, while everyone may be on some shit, the playing field is no longer level when someone pops.
my view is: Jones got punished for his steroid use, that's it, he couldnt fight for a while which hurt his legacy a little. That's a problem for USADA and the UFC to solve, not for me as a fan to worry about. Why mentioning it when talking about GOAT status?
 
I'd put him above Khabib sure, but definitely nowhere near the 4 kings (Jones, GSP, Anderson, Fedor)
 
my view is: Jones got punished for his steroid use, that's it, he couldnt fight for a while which hurt his legacy a little. That's a problem for USADA and the UFC to solve, not for me as a fan to worry about. Why mentioning it when talking about GOAT status?
Because it’s literally all they have
 
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when he fought Rashad and Machida they were in their primes. Same for Gus, DC, etc...

Rashad was def past his prime, Machida wasn't, and Gus and DC were def in their primes as well. I'm just saying that Rampage, Rashad, and yes even Shogun and Chael were already past their primes. Not shot, or horrible, but they'd all already seen their better days by far.
DC, by contrast, fought (particularly with "the belt") guys who were at their peaks, and for the most part continued to be relevant. DC's third fight with Stipe was probably the closes to "out of their prime" fighter that he faced since Hendo in 2014.
 
Usman's greatest opponent is not capable to finish any of his fights
Kamaru is great fighter but I do think he have some serious health issues
 
Most GOAT candidates have problems with their case:

- Losses
- Steroid violations (Jones)
- Weak strength of schedule / fighting cans (Fedor, Jones)
- Not enough title defenses (DC. Khabib)
- Point fighting (GSP)
- Squeaking by with wins / close victories (GSP)
- Rapid decline in career in older age (Silva, Fedor)
- Retired too early (Khabib)

Kamarudeen so far has none of these issues.

If he gets past Khamzat, the division is pretty clear. He could easily string together 4 more defenses.

At that point he's the GOAT, undisputed.

Israel Adesanya was shaping up to be a GOAT, but then he kinda got son'd by a subpar LHW champ, which kind of sullies his case.

Kinda nuts, huh? Kamaru can be the GOAT if he plays his cards right. Weird to think about.

** GOAT fighter, Conor is undisputed GOAT prize fighter in the UFC.
Gsp has 2 losses, usman has 1....

All of GSPs title defenses/wins/interm are against top 5 guys, 18 of his wins are against top 10 guys.
usman has 4 against top 5 wins, 6 top 10

half of usmans wins are Decisions..... 50%
gsp has 16/26 finishes...61%

GSP has 1 (Hendricks) maybe 2 (BJ Penn1) close wins....As much as i dislike GSP he was DOMINANT.

Kamaru has 5 defenses... against 3 different people, GSP defended against like 10 different people...

You can say USman has better quality of opponents but GSP still fought the best of his day and didn't duck anyone at WW.

I dont think GSP is the GOAT but Usman is not over GSP and may never be...Because he will loose against Jan just as bad as izzy, or might leave and get whooped by Canelo or god forbid Paul brothers...he may not be a WW UFC fighter for as long as GSP was so might not accomplish as much (not because he will loose, But because he wants more money and has options)
 
Jones fighting cans? What the fuck are you talking about?
 
Squeaks by with a win, hmmmm
Close and hard fought fights are not squeaking by with a win
Anyway, I dont have much against Usman
Every champion has padding on their record
But he just doesn't have that aura
Like Djokovic wins yes, but he doesn't have that aura of a Federer or Nadal even
Most of the GOAT candidates looked unstoppable during their primes, but both the Colby fights were close (yes I know he TKO-d colby in the first) and he had to wall and stall Masvidal in the first so ...
 
Let's hope he gets GOAT status before that chin goes. He's beens getting wobbled a little in his last two fights. Kind of remind me of Weidman. I'll give Usman 2 fights before he's gets knocked out.
 
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