Does know one realize this? Kamaru Usman is shaping up to be the GOAT

[BFoe]

Don’t think Ts is talking ww goat …. He’s talking goat goat …. So mw tittle should mean something

It certainly could. What if you’re a HW like DC and go down a weight class? What if you’re a HW and can’t (or don’t) go a weight class below? Can you not be GOAT because you never won a 2nd title? These are all discussion points is all I’m saying.

Come on, like I said, that very early loss is just about the least objectionable loss any GOAT candidate has on their record, other than a DQ. He's been undefeated for close to 10 years at this point.

Fedor's career fell apart early, at age 33, getting finished 3x in a row, including getting knocked out by a middleweight. His biggest win outside of pride, Brett Rogers, aged horribly - Brett Rogers went sub 50% after that fight in shitty orgs.

—In your mind getting choked out by a no-name scrub is less objectionable than losing to ATGs like Werdum or Hendo, or a very good fighter like Bigfoot, after accomplishing stuff that hasn’t been equaled? That seems odd, but to each their own. Fedor had one continuous unbeaten streak in which he put down a number of ranked opponents which is unequaled AFAIK without a PED test failure, and he strung together a number of title defenses which is still a record in that weight class for a single reign/unbeaten run. Let me know when someone else does that.

—I have no idea what you could be smoking to call Rogers Fedor’s biggest win outside of PRIDE. Arlovski? Sylvia?

—There’s really nothing too early about when Fedor declined either. He debuted at age 23 almost 24, and was clearly declined early in his 11th year as a pro in after 33 HW fights. GSP had his brutal fight with Hendricks and walked away from the sport in his 11th year as a pro, at age 32. Usman has a year to a year-and-a-half before he’s at that mark and he’s already talking about retirement. We’ll see how long he fights, whom he fights, and how he holds up.

 

[GeneTunney7]

Oh so Igor was chubby?

You tell me.

 

[blaseblah]

they called me a madman when I made that thread in May of 2019

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/usman-could-surpass-gsp-as-g-o-a-t.3922883/


They also laughed when I said Gane was the next big time at HW when he was only 2-0 in MMA.

Start listening to me god dammit, I predict these things.

He very likely will not have the time to surpass GSP. He's about to turn 35 and some killers are coming up the rankings.

 

[Hey Soos]

His greatest challenge was DC, and he roided for those, so those wins don't count.

Otherwise he beat a bunch of blown up middleweights on the downtrend of their careers.

Damn the cherry picking is unreal lol.

 

[GeneTunney7]

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media scores idiot

You sound like a really pleasant person to be around! <Lmaoo>

I sourced you the scoring round by round, debunking your assertion that it was delusional to think Usman got a tie or lost. That was not my opinion, that was the scoring of the fans, and you are aware of that - the cumulative fan scoring had it a 47-47 draw. Apparently the vast majority of people that scored 3-5 for Colby are all delusional too?

The point stands - GOAT''s don't eek out decisions like that, precipitated by three defenses over lightweight flunk outs. Usman has time but he has alot of work to do, but I definitely dont see him getting by Khamzat. If he manages to, becomes a triple champ, avoids USADA mishaps, that is GOAT worthy.

 

[SilentFate]

If only Usman wasnt so cringe outside the ring.

 

[marvinparsons]

Strength of schedule always has a strong recency bias as the guys the person beat haven't gone downhill yet and had a bunch of losses, which is pretty much how every career ends. Then a guy that looked nearly unbeatable like Shogun or Machida is viewed as a bum.

Who knows how people are going to view Masvidal, Covington, old ass Woodley, Burns etc ten years from now. You can easily picture someone saying Masvidal was a journeyman with hype from beating Askren who himself stunk, Woodley was old and sucked and got slept by Jake Paul, Burns was a lightweight and Covington has Jake Shields level striking.

He needs more Ws against some varied competition. This is one reason why I hate rematches. It'd look a lot better if he'd beaten Wonderboy/Edwards (again) than beating Covington/Masvidal twice.

 

[Sonny Qc]

He very likely will not have the time to surpass GSP. He's about to turn 35 and some killers are coming up the rankings.

true, inactive a bit, covid didn't help,
plus too many rematch because the WW div is kinda weak.

 

[Unheralded Truth]

You're not that fair on some points, like Anderson Silva who lost to Weidman at 38.
Then at 40 he "finished" Bisping who got saved by the round ending as he couldn't defend himself. Bisping then won the title in his next fight.

And you're telling me that Kamaru at 34 is about to surpass him in that category?

 

[Shaddows]

No one really moved up and did it in impressive fashion except for McGregor or maybe CCC.

Usman is almost at that decade mark.

wait... Silva moving up and beating Irving or Bonnar (with 8 days notice) or even losing to DC (on a 2 days notice)... that's not impressive??????
GSP KO'ing/submitting Bisping after being out for 4 years... was not impressive???

let me remind you of your hypocrisy: You are trying to make people who moved up a NEGATIVE ... "Oh it was not impressive"... But that's while Usman did not even try to move up!!!!!!

And how long have Usman been at the top? 3 years? ....And you bash Khabib for being at the top for...3 years. hmmm...

how can't you see how biased you are being?
what you bash a fighter for, Usman did less.

So far he has nothing that really puts him ahead of anyone.

All you are doing is trying to claim that he MAY continue to win for the next 4 years... which we have no clue who he will face, how good will be his wins, etc... You are just making an assumption... and being very hypocritical about everyone else.

 

[HeDidn'tWantTheFight]

Most GOAT candidates have problems with their case:

- Losses
- Steroid violations (Jones)
- Weak strength of schedule / fighting cans (Fedor, Jones)
- Not enough title defenses (DC. Khabib)
- Point fighting (GSP)
- Squeaking by with wins / close victories (GSP)
- Rapid decline in career in older age (Silva, Fedor)
- Retired too early (Khabib)

Kamarudeen so far has none of these issues.

If he gets past Khamzat, the division is pretty clear. He could easily string together 4 more defenses.

At that point he's the GOAT, undisputed.

Israel Adesanya was shaping up to be a GOAT, but then he kinda got son'd by a subpar LHW champ, which kind of sullies his case.

Kinda nuts, huh? Kamaru can be the GOAT if he plays his cards right. Weird to think about.

** GOAT fighter, Conor is undisputed GOAT prize fighter in the UFC.

Jon fought cans?

 

[BrockLesnarsTurtleBack]

Usman doesn't have half of the resume that GSP has, who has barely half of Jones' resume.

If your going to value finishes twice as much as decisions, then Ngannou >> Usman.

 

[eddi]

Most GOAT candidates have problems with their case:

- Losses
- Steroid violations (Jones)
- Weak strength of schedule / fighting cans (Fedor, Jones)
- Not enough title defenses (DC. Khabib)
- Point fighting (GSP)
- Squeaking by with wins / close victories (GSP)
- Rapid decline in career in older age (Silva, Fedor)
- Retired too early (Khabib)

Kamarudeen so far has none of these issues.

If he gets past Khamzat, the division is pretty clear. He could easily string together 4 more defenses.

At that point he's the GOAT, undisputed.

Israel Adesanya was shaping up to be a GOAT, but then he kinda got son'd by a subpar LHW champ, which kind of sullies his case.

Kinda nuts, huh? Kamaru can be the GOAT if he plays his cards right. Weird to think about.

** GOAT fighter, Conor is undisputed GOAT prize fighter in the UFC.

dude he's got the same issues as jon jones, chill

 

[Pascal Bergeron]

Most GOAT candidates have problems with their case:

- Losses
- Steroid violations (Jones)
- Weak strength of schedule / fighting cans (Fedor, Jones)
- Not enough title defenses (DC. Khabib)
- Point fighting (GSP)
- Squeaking by with wins / close victories (GSP)
- Rapid decline in career in older age (Silva, Fedor)
- Retired too early (Khabib)

Kamarudeen so far has none of these issues.

If he gets past Khamzat, the division is pretty clear. He could easily string together 4 more defenses.

At that point he's the GOAT, undisputed.

Israel Adesanya was shaping up to be a GOAT, but then he kinda got son'd by a subpar LHW champ, which kind of sullies his case.

Kinda nuts, huh? Kamaru can be the GOAT if he plays his cards right. Weird to think about.

** GOAT fighter, Conor is undisputed GOAT prize fighter in the UFC.

Lol Usman in 5 defences had 3 close fight almost getting koed by burn and two close calls against colby wich one of them could have been scored a draw or a loss. He is also point fighting if he can do it, doest a great strength of schedule masvidal is no goat feat colby is still unproven and burn is a fat LW. And lets not talk about steroid with usman pulling out of the burn fight without any notice and any explication having the most suspicious physique in the entire roster all while having a pharmacist brother to help him dope
Usman is not even close to goat status

 

[r-harper-1]

You sound like a really pleasant person to be around! <Lmaoo>

I sourced you the scoring round by round, debunking your assertion that it was delusional to think Usman got a tie or lost. That was not my opinion, that was the scoring of the fans, and you are aware of that - the cumulative fan scoring had it a 47-47 draw. Apparently the vast majority of people that scored 3-5 for Colby are all delusional too?

The point stands - GOAT''s don't eek out decisions like that, precipitated by three defenses over lightweight flunk outs. Usman has time but he has alot of work to do, but I definitely dont see him getting by Khamzat. If he manages to, becomes a triple champ, avoids USADA mishaps, that is GOAT worthy.

I’m honestly generally more pleasant….my apologies….rough week lol

 

[r-harper-1]

Lol Usman in 5 defences had 3 close fight almost getting koed by burn and two close calls against colby wich one of them could have been scored a draw or a loss. He is also point fighting if he can do it, doest a great strength of schedule masvidal is no goat feat colby is still unproven and burn is a fat LW. And lets not talk about steroid with usman pulling out of the burn fight without any notice and any explication having the most suspicious physique in the entire roster all while having a pharmacist brother to help him dope
Usman is not even close to goat status

Agreed Usman not close ….Usman clearly beat Colby twice ….not a single media member thought Colby won …..not one

 

[Pascal Bergeron]

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Agreed Usman not close ….Usman clearly beat Colby twice ….not a single media member thought Colby won …..not one

* american media scored the fight for Usman cause of the extreme bias comentary from company boy rogan and dc if you looks outside of american media most of them scored the fight a draw as it should have been usman didn't win 3-4-5 but has the second round 10-8

 

[legcramp]

He beat Colby, twice. That alone is a huge accomplishment. That's like Jones beating DC, or Fedor beat Cro Cop.

hahhahaha

 

[ThunderStruck]

You tell me.

He wasn't pretty damn cut when he was having his best success in mma.

 

[r-harper-1]

* american media scored the fight for Usman cause of the extreme bias comentary from company boy rogan and dc if you looks outside of american media most of them scored the fight a draw as it should have been usman didn't win 3-4-5 but has the second round 10-8

Post the international media scores ….I’ll be waiting….no possible way Colby won 3 rounds of that fight ….crazy talk