Does anybody do 5 day splits?

[ROcknrollracing]

You're guessing wrong. This is a guy that trained at Rips gym and Rip actually put the pictures online. He was very proud of what this guy achieved.

he was likely happy with the strength he built not the physique which may not have been his goal....i think he was probably some skinny kid who needed to get stronger for some particular goal

 

[ROcknrollracing]

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/keosawas-powerlifting-log.1980931/

ah yes here it is....he refered to what you are talking about Jim as "Aimless Bro lifting"

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Exhibit A: A man grasping fervently at straws.

Serious question: do you train people? People who aren't 20-something males? Just wondering for a friend.

yes i do

 

[Seriously-Dead]

Also, for the record, he's far from the only elite level lifter now echoing that sentiment.

People are also moving away from specificity in other youth sports. More and more emphasis is being placed on free play vs structured training and competition at early stages.

As someone who's coached kids, can confirm. All the high level NCCP guys are now espousing the importance of general and unstructured traning (play) for youth. It's even integrating into the Chinese training system now, which has historically focused on extremely early specialization.

 

[Pitbull]

he was likely happy with the strength he built not the physique which may not have been his goal....i think he was probably some skinny kid who needed to get stronger for some particular goal

You're guessing wrong again. He posted a topless picture of a client to show much much mass he gained. He was claiming this guy gained 78lbs, 46lbs of which was lean mass.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

As someone who's coached kids, can confirm. All the high level NCCP guys are now espousing the importance of general and unstructured traning (play) for youth. It's even integrating into the Chinese training system now, which has historically focused on extremely early specialization.

no objections to this at all

 

[Pitbull]

When it comes to powerlifting, it's probably better to start with less sport specificity and more overall volume. Simply put, you want to take advantage of the rapid progress you make in muscular gains at the beginning of your training career. This will, in turn, give you a higher ceiling further on down the road. Then, you might focus more on powerlifting specific movements and more volume in those movements. There will be plenty of time to hammer the squat/bench/deadlift, but you see way too many new "powerlifters" doing it from day one. I've known new lifters who were skinny and weak as fuck who did nothing but hammer the main lifts each day they were in the gym. You end up with lifters who still have no appreciable muscle mass or strength after a couple years of lifting.

Guys like Malanichev and other lifters of that level? Well, yeah, of course they focus mainly on sport specificity.

As for your last sentence, it depends. Sport specificity and where you put that increased training volume matters.

Greg Nuckols talks about this a lot. He says if you're an intermediate lifters should concentrate on increasing your muscle mass and then focus on a more powerlifting specific routine.

 

[JimRussel]

Greg Nuckols talks about this a lot. He says if you're an intermediate lifters should concentrate on increasing your muscle mass and then focus on a more powerlifting specific routine.

pokerandbeer is about to tell us how he's wrong, though. Just wait.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

http://startingstrength.com/articles/novice_effect_rippetoe.pdf

here is the article pitbull......i would say he looks quite a bit better than what his former self was

 

[ROcknrollracing]

pokerandbeer is about to tell us how he's wrong, though. Just wait.

no Jim buddy i do agree with this

 

[ROcknrollracing]

no Jim buddy i do agree with this

the problem is im not talking about intermediates i am talking novice athletes for right now

 

[JimRussel]

the problem is im not talking about intermediates i am talking novice athletes for right now

 

[Seriously-Dead]

no objections to this at all

And so at what specific age in life does this no longer become important if the person has equal training experience compared to a child? 18? Do they get it when they can vote?

 

[Pitbull]

http://startingstrength.com/articles/novice_effect_rippetoe.pdf

here is the article pitbull......i would say he looks quite a bit better than what his former self was

You can't have thought he looked that good as you said he didn't eat correctly and Rip most likely wasn't happy with how he looked.

 

[NurseKnuckles]

These clueless lifters should follow an appropriate diet simple as that.

I was referring to an older generation. And yes they likely should have been better nourished.

But a program like SS takes a few months at most as I said earlier. There really is no other way to build that much strength in the basic movements that quickly and that will benefit a novice athlete more than anything. And why do you think it would be quicker to do Aimless bro lifting to build a bit of sarco hypertrophy rather than build real strength and muscle mass(if gaining weight)rather than a take a few months to train in the most optimal way possible?

No one said anything about aimless bro lifting. what I mean was that these people who were already lifting like BBers were transitioning very quickly and gaining more strength in shorter time than the lifter who's 98lbs doing SS and stalling after 2 months, then spending the next months and years spinning his wheels on varying his volume and stuff... Had he focused on building muscle as a beginner, learned the lifts then started to build strength he might have had a much better, longer and healthier career.

I know of no athlete who benefits from a bit more sarco hypertrophy than from myofibillar and/or strength in the basic movements. This is why 5x5, SS, stronglifts etc is tried and true and has stood the test of time because the shit works. It is more optimal for any athlete including an up and coming bodybuilder than really any other program in existance.

no one is refuting that its a great program. However there are times in history where you have to question convention and try other things.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

And so at what specific age in life does this no longer become important if the person has equal training experience compared to a child? 18? Do they get it when they can vote?

Tanner stage 4

 

[Pitbull]

pokerandbeer is about to tell us how he's wrong, though. Just wait.

I learnt it the hard way. Bulked up from 60kg to 90kg and still had 14 inch arms and a tiny chest. I looked stupid and obviously my bench wasn't great.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

I was referring to an older generation. And yes they likely should have been better nourished.



No one said anything about aimless bro lifting. what I mean was that these people who were already lifting like BBers were transitioning very quickly and gaining more strength in shorter time than the lifter who's 98lbs doing SS and stalling after 2 months, then spending the next months and years spinning his wheels on varying his volume and stuff... Had he focused on building muscle as a beginner, learned the lifts then started to build strength he might have had a much better, longer and healthier career.

If they are stalling after two months they were not doing the program because they were not following a proper diet simple as that. A 98 pound teen is the candidate for a gallon of milk a day. If not that Obscene amounts of food are necessary. Granted most people will not do it.

no one is refuting that its a great program. However there are times in history where you have to question convention and try other things.

Why would you question a program that has stood the test of time like that when doing it in an optimal manner produces results like no other program. Why would you fix what isnt broken?

 

[ROcknrollracing]

You can't have thought he looked that good as you said he didn't eat correctly and Rip most likely wasn't happy with how he looked.

did you see the 2 pictures in the article i posted?

 

[NurseKnuckles]

Why would you question a program that has stood the test of time like that when doing it in an optimal manner produces results like no other program. Why would you fix what isnt broken?

No one is fixing it. But approaching your training from the beginning in a different way.
I'm pretty sure we also thought the world was flat for a very long time.