Does anybody do 5 day splits?

[JimRussel]

You normally type in a coherent manner but your usually full of shit in a coherent way. Funny how that works.

I'm sure most posters here would definitely agree with you!

 

[JimRussel]

Funny how you didn't address Kyle's post, though.

(Please save us all and don't even attempt to.)

 

[ROcknrollracing]

My thoughts on that post are the same thoughts I have given all thread long. You train with a general strength program at first to develop muscle mass and strength if your goal is officially bodybuilding in the future with the basic movements. SS isnt even a powerlifting program it is a general strength program to begin with. The best bodybuilders are strong. I know an IFBB pro who trains people. He has a cable crossover in his gym and nobody is allowed to use it until they can bench 315 for a set of 10. Even a bodybuilder must first build muscle at the myofibrillar level then you start adding in the Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy.

 

[JimRussel]

Wow. Just wow.

As usual, I'll bow out of this one now.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

bye bye

 

[NurseKnuckles]

If you cannot teach an athlete the ability to squat, press, bench and deadlift I am going to say you arent a very effective coach. Thats my opinion which you will likely say is shit but it is what it is. If you can get a non athlete to attain the ability to squat that athlete can do the easier movements with no challenge. Its the old tried and true saying where if you can learn something more complex it makes the less complex that much easier.

You don't not do squats, but learn them as you build muscle. I think we're seeing a massive shift in how coaches (good ones, anyway) bring new or young people into the sport. Generally, get them big, teach them the movements, then turn that bigness into strongness (this is obviously a basic outline of what really happens)

 

[NurseKnuckles]

I dont know anything about this particular individual but my guess is he did not follow an appropriate diet given his circumstances. It isnt Rips job to make sure the Kid eats correctly.

Squat + Milk

 

[ROcknrollracing]

You don't not do squats, but learn them as you build muscle. I think we're seeing a massive shift in how coaches (good ones, anyway) bring new or young people into the sport. Generally, get them big, teach them the movements, then turn that bigness into strongness (this is obviously a basic outline of what really happens)

There is a reason that 5x5 and its variants have stood the test of time. It simply builds strength and myofibrillar hypertophy like nothing else. In fact I even think that Kyle dude powerlifter said he started his career with some version of a 5x5 if I am not mistaken.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Squat + Milk

This was a major complaint with Rips diet advice several years ago. He has addressed this time and time again that squats and a gallon of milk is not appropriate for a wide range of trainees.

 

[Seriously-Dead]

Yes I never learned from anybody I just came up with this shit off the top of my head. You apparently learned from people to but the problem is it was pure shit. My guess is you dont get much accomplished with novice athletes.

Sweet baseless conjecture, bro. Really helps your argument. I bet "that Kyle guy" has never trained anyone half decent either. What a chump.

Come join us back in reality whenever you're ready.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Sweet baseless conjecture, bro. Really helps your argument. I bet "that Kyle guy" has never trained anyone half decent either. What a chump.

Come join us back in reality whenever you're ready.

I dont know him bro. I do recall he was a good powerlifter and I do recall him saying he began his career with a 5x5. that is all

 

[NurseKnuckles]

I don't think anyone is saying 5x5 isn't good.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...gth-gains-while-on-a-caloric-deficit.2401821/

and here it is

Him being a good powerlifter gives him some credence i will admit but it does not mean he is correct in his "newest" hypotheses. It would be like an NBA player telling a up and coming want to be NBA player to follow this protocol and you will be good enough for it. Lots of great athletes do things that arent optimal but they get by by just being themselves with their genetics.

 

[NurseKnuckles]

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...gth-gains-while-on-a-caloric-deficit.2401821/

and here it is

Him being a good powerlifter gives him some credence i will admit but it does not mean he is correct in his "newest" hypotheses. It would be like an NBA player telling a up and coming want to be NBA player to follow this protocol and you will be good enough for it. Lots of great athletes do things that arent optimal but they get by by just being themselves with their genetics.

I think what we're seeing is a transition from BB style to PL with great results. We can all agree that PLing has become the new popular thing to do in the gym, Everyone is doing it and getting great participation awards for it. We're seeing people go from BB style training to PL with great results. Much quicker than slugging through 5x5 for months on end. There are also health benefits as well. We're not seeing these fat heavy lifters as much any more.

 

[JimRussel]

I dont know him bro. I do recall he was a good powerlifter and I do recall him saying he began his career with a 5x5. that is all

He's held all time total world records in two different weight classes, coaches at least two elite/world record level lifters, and has pulled 694@165.

Who gives a fuck how he started his career? Let's say his first program was 5x5, so what? People generally learn things over time and, after more than a decade, I'm guessing he might know a little more know than he did when he "began his career with a 5x5".

How the fuck don't you realize this shit before you post it?

 

[ROcknrollracing]

I think what we're seeing is a transition from BB style to PL with great results. We can all agree that PLing has become the new popular thing to do in the gym, Everyone is doing it and getting great participation awards for it. We're seeing people go from BB style training to PL with great results. Much quicker than slugging through 5x5 for months on end. There are also health benefits as well. We're not seeing these fat heavy lifters as much any more.

These clueless lifters should follow an appropriate diet simple as that. But a program like SS takes a few months at most as I said earlier. There really is no other way to build that much strength in the basic movements that quickly and that will benefit a novice athlete more than anything. And why do you think it would be quicker to do Aimless bro lifting to build a bit of sarco hypertrophy rather than build real strength and muscle mass(if gaining weight)rather than a take a few months to train in the most optimal way possible? I know of no athlete who benefits from a bit more sarco hypertrophy than from myofibillar and/or strength in the basic movements. This is why 5x5, SS, stronglifts etc is tried and true and has stood the test of time because the shit works. It is more optimal for any athlete including an up and coming bodybuilder than really any other program in existance.

 

[JimRussel]

Also, for the record, he's far from the only elite level lifter now echoing that sentiment.

People are also moving away from specificity in other youth sports. More and more emphasis is being placed on free play vs structured training and competition at early stages.

 

[Pitbull]

I dont know anything about this particular individual but my guess is he did not follow an appropriate diet given his circumstances. It isnt Rips job to make sure the Kid eats correctly.

You're guessing wrong. This is a guy that trained at Rips gym and Rip actually put the pictures online. He was very proud of what this guy achieved.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

He's held all time total world records in two different weight classes, coaches at least two elite/world record level lifters, and has pulled 694@165.

Who gives a fuck how he started his career? Let's say his first program was 5x5, so what? People generally learn things over time and, after more than a decade, I'm guessing he might know a little more know than he did when he "began his career with a 5x5".

How the fuck don't you realize this shit before you post it?

If you believe that doing aimless bro lifting and come to think of it I will give you another quote in one of his threads where he actually said thats what he did give me a minute>>>>>>you have not hypothesized why increasing Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy beneifts any athlete more than building well real strength.

 

[Seriously-Dead]

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...gth-gains-while-on-a-caloric-deficit.2401821/

and here it is

Him being a good powerlifter gives him some credence i will admit but it does not mean he is correct in his "newest" hypotheses. It would be like an NBA player telling a up and coming want to be NBA player to follow this protocol and you will be good enough for it. Lots of great athletes do things that arent optimal but they get by by just being themselves with their genetics.

Exhibit A: A man grasping fervently at straws.

Serious question: do you train people? People who aren't 20-something males? Just wondering for a friend.