Do firearms make people dumber?

[Cicero**]

you can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs

 

[White Mongoose]

Average Joe? Why wouldn't we put teachers through training if they were going to use firearms? Not only that but the first round fired is the only one that surprises anyone. After that the multiple teachers at the school with firearms are fully aware of what is happening and the shooter is at a severe disadvantage as far as numbers go.

Your argument is seriously horrible. Even if it had any validity is really has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS CONVERSATION ON GUN CONTROL. Why the fuck do you keep repeating it?

Lol! So you are saying put teachers through firearms tactical training? Poor teachers, they already are required to have so many classes and now they need to go through firearms tactical training?

If that was the case then yes that would definitely work no question! But I don't think many would opt to do it.

Hm... I'm not even suggesting gun control. I'm just asking why do people think that if they have firearms, luck will be on their side 100% of the time even if they never really train for it tactically? If they have a firearm and never trained to use it in a real life situation, this is how it would look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHOdCo66Tyk

 

[Real_Magi]

You obviously don't realize how easy it is for people to obtain fire arms. Also, many of the ones used in shootings are legally purchased or were purchased legally by a friend of family member like in the recent case.

Yes, getting a gun and shooting one is far easier to making a WMD yourself. I do agree driving a car is easier, but it's effectiveness as a weapon isn't quite as good.

I have bought and own multiple firearms. One of us doesn't understand, you're correct there...

Did you really say in a previous posts that banning guns would cause a Civil War? Fuck man, I don't even think Americans are that attached to their guns. I'm not for banning guns, but controlling them is a necessity.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that 99.9% of the rural population would die for their guns. I am seriously out right positive. A ton of guys I personally know built underground bunkers where they store their guns when Obama was elected the first time. Go look around online and see what you find pertaining to this.

Controlling them? Like I said, law abiding citizens follow laws, not criminals. Not sure how that's hard to understand...

 

[elmo_1968]

Elmo, no I'm not making number up. It is simple. Put two person who have no tactical training or anything like that in a house and tell them to try and kill each other. Why would one person have better odds of coming out of it alive than others?

whereas in your previous post you said...

"Even a individual who are well trained in using a firearm will still be at same odd of getting shot as the shooter "

You are just ranting out of both sides of your mouth and all over the effing road. I am out of here.

 

[White Mongoose]

whereas in your previous post you said...

"Even a individual who are well trained in using a firearm will still be at same odd of getting shot as the shooter "

You are just ranting out of both sides of your mouth and all over the effing road. I am out of here.

By well trained, I mean have taking class on how to handle firearm, how to aim and shoot and stuff. That's a huge difference from being able to use it tactically.

 

[Real_Magi]

By well trained, I mean have taking class on how to handle firearm, how to aim and shoot and stuff. That's a huge difference from being able to use it tactically.

Do you huff paint?

 

[Deadred2]

Guns are but another tool that mankind can use for various purposes. The same day that the Connecticut shooting took place, 22 children in china were killed by 1 man wielding a knife. China has some rather strict gun-controls for those who didn't know. People can blame guns for crime if they want to, but when someone wants to kill others they will find a way regardless of the law.

As far as, do firearms make people dumber, it varies from person to person. Certain people will let the power go to their heads and think themselves stronger than anyone else, others will realize the old saying "with great power comes great responsibility."

The real issue with gun-right advocates is that when a country wants to take away power from the people the first thing the country will do is take away peoples' guns. This ensures easier subjugation of the general public and prevents any possibility of an uprising.

It may be hard to accept but, laws are not truly solutions, but patches on problems in our society. People are basically saying "HERE! Take my freedom, so long as you can keep me safe!" As the founding father Ben Franklin once said "Those who give a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither."

 

[Noblet10]

I have bought and own multiple firearms. One of us doesn't understand, you're correct there...



There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that 99.9% of the rural population would die for their guns. I am seriously out right positive. A ton of guys I personally know built underground bunkers where they store their guns when Obama was elected the first time. Go look around online and see what you find pertaining to this.

Controlling them? Like I said, law abiding citizens follow laws, not criminals. Not sure how that's hard to understand...

I don't know. Reaching under my grandpa's couch and pulling out his rifle when I was a kid was pretty fuckin easy. I guess some WMDs are fairly easy to make as well.

Buying them should be a pain in the ass. It makes sure that it is mainly law abiding citizens buying the guns.

If you are among the ones building underground bunkers and would kill to keep your guns, you are pathetic. If these people do fight to keep their guns, it would only be more proof for anti-gun people. I still don't think there are near enough people that would act to start a Civil War. A couple idiots fighting to keep their guns wouldn't make it a war.

I'm not for banning guns, but it's far too easy to buy them currently. There are also many guns you can buy that have no practical use in modern society outside of war zones.

 

[def1]

It is easy to say that someone may open door and you can shot them. But what if you miss and they didn't run? So in the end do you want to be in that situation or would you rather to be out of the house instead of being in a small room that give you less mobility and hope your next shot hit the intruder?

I can understand if the person have family and want to protect the family. But in a single person or couple case... Why put yourself in the position where you have to fight if you can escape?

What if your room is on the second floor? what if you don't wake up til the intruder is already down the hallway from you? You make it seem like escaping a house is so easy.

Look up Richard Ramirez.

 

[Deadred2]

I don't know. Reaching under my grandpa's couch and pulling out his rifle when I was a kid was pretty fuckin easy. I guess some WMDs are fairly easy to make as well.

Buying them should be a pain in the ass. It makes sure that it is mainly law abiding citizens buying the guns.

If you are among the ones building underground bunkers and would kill to keep your guns, you are pathetic. If these people do fight to keep their guns, it would only be more proof for anti-gun people. I still don't think there are near enough people that would act to start a Civil War. A couple idiots fighting to keep their guns wouldn't make it a war.

I'm not for banning guns, but it's far too easy to buy them currently. There are also many guns you can buy that have no practical use in modern society outside of war zones.

I agree with you as far as how easy it is to buy a gun. I actually wish they'd bring back the Three-Day Waiting Period. This helps to give people time to think about their lives if they planned on committing a crime. Usually, if people have time to think about a crime, they'll change their minds after careful consideration. However, the Supreme Court ruled it Unconstitutional, so it's very unlikely that they'll reverse the decision.

 

[aldeniro78]

Fuck this thread.

 

[D Train]

If a shooter ever showed up at my church looking for easy targets he would be in for quite a surprise.

 

[HIMBOB]

Fear makes people stupid.

And Gun owners (for self protection) are alread a scared (thus the gun) and then you start talking about taking away their guns they get even more scared and less rational, thus appearing stupid.

 

[HIMBOB]

Do you huff paint?

Can you discuss things like an Adult?

I thought that response was entirely reasonable, if you think otherwise please explain if not act like an adult in future.

 

[Noblet10]

If a shooter ever showed up at my church looking for easy targets he would be in for quite a surprise.

So what you are saying is half your church is packing? Well, depending how well armed the shooter is, how aware your church goers are, and how well trained everyone is it might give your church a better chance, but it's still very likely he would kill several people before he gets shot himself. Most shooters like this have little to live for anyways, so I'm not sure how much of an improvement it would be.

I'd actually be more in favor of providing necessary means to give people that need mental help the help they need than banning guns. The problem is people seem to be against this as well.

 

[White Mongoose]

Deadred, great post. Yes I agree that people just let the power get to their head when they don't realize that gun is just a tool and will only be as effective as their mind allows it to be. If they're stupid and don't know how to shoot effectively or stuff like that then their firearm is just as worthless as their brain.

Def1, Well right now where I live, my room have a window that is about 10 ft wide by 3 or 4 ft. I sleep right by it. So all I have to do is get up and open it and dive right out of it. As for second floor, I'd just slide down and hang by hand then let go and land on feet. AS scary as it look, most second floor are maybe only 10 to 12 ft above ground and a full grown adult with arm outstretch should be able to cover about 6 to 7 ft. So thats not much of a height. But higher... Well thats a different story.

Will look up that person in a bit.

HIMBOB, so true! Many of gun owners I talk to seems terrified to death. They act like as if ground is about to open and they would plunge straight to hell the moment their firearms rights got taken away. I never get it.
I recently got done with a huge argument with a guy who claim if government come to try and take his arms away, he'd fight to death because he felt life for his family would be terrible if their firearms rights are taken away. To make thing even crazier, he truly believe he have a chance of winning this type of fight...
I don't get that mentality at all!

Noblet10, exactly... Just a few seconds of surprise then hesitate then reply could make a huge difference. Many people think it would be like old west where the moment they hear shoot, everybody would have gun out in blink. It just don't work like that. People aren't used to hear shooting so the moment they hear it, they will most likely flinches then try to look around and figure out what is happening then take a second or so to decide if they should take their firearm out.

I'm also a big advocate for providing help for people with mental needs. I believe that prevention is better than action. So if people would have take time to listen and pay more attention to others, they might be able to locate someone who need help and get them that help and prevent another massacre from happening.
But I'm not against people having firearms eventhough I'm annoyed by many of them and don't own any.

 

[D Train]

So what you are saying is half your church is packing? Well, depending how well armed the shooter is, how aware your church goers are, and how well trained everyone is it might give your church a better chance, but it's still very likely he would kill several people before he gets shot himself. Most shooters like this have little to live for anyways, so I'm not sure how much of an improvement it would be.

I'd actually be more in favor of providing necessary means to give people that need mental help the help they need than banning guns. The problem is people seem to be against this as well.

Of course a shooter would be stopped sooner by people with guns. He would shoot people for sure, but not everyone would be helpless.
You can't force someone into psychiatric treatment (in most cases).

 

[SowingSeason]

Mass murders in one go wouldn't be possible if guns weren't so readily available, at least in advanced western society.

Murders would still occur but it would mean the difference between 2-3 deaths and 20 deaths at once.

But yeah I agree about the location, nothing you can do about that.

Oh?

GTFO.

 

[tkotom]

Oh?

GTFO.

Yes I'm sure every psycho out there can get their hands on 5000lbs of explosive material readily and prep it to blow as easily as they can pick up a gun and walk into a store and waste 10 people in seconds.

Of course anything is possible with planning and time but most of these massacre psychos do it with guns.

What's with that gtfo garbage.

 

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