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What time period are you specifically talking about, and what are you basing those numbers on?
It’s being argued that the current economy is the best in American history.

I’m laying out 4 year periods because to do a snapshot is asinine.

For my money, 1962-1965 was the greatest economic period in American history.

2021-2024 is not.

If you go single year, you can have MANY years better than this year.

I’m basing it off of GDP growth, inflation, job wage growth and unemployment.
 
Your money can actually buy basic groceries. The government has not issued a universal negation of the currency in the face of purchasing eggs et al.
In 1965, Americans spent about 15% of their income on food. It's around 10% now, despite people eating more, eating out more, and generally having much better-quality food.
 
Bold faced lie. Are you even American?
No, I'm not American, and I'm not lying as I genuinely believe what I'm saying is true. The West has generally seen a booming economy after anti-COVID economic measures were taken. I'm Norwegian, and both growth and inflation have been high here.
 
That definitely doesn't sound right at all, the stock market does not always go up and indeed sometimes it crashes. I don't think you can just hand waive away the fact that we have record highs in the stock market nor should you ignore that we have record lows in unemployment. I would imagine those are two key indicators as to the health of an economy. On top of that the wage growth for the bottom quartile was the highest so its particularly strong for the working class.
I’ll bet my life that in 10 years the stock market will be higher than it is today.

When Trump said it was all about the stock market — it was stupid. It’s stupid now.

How about wage growth versus inflation?

Well yes when the US was poorer we could grow a lot faster. Guyana is project to grow ~30% this year but I don't think any reasonable person can say they have a stronger economy.

In fact IIRC the average home size in the 50s was less than a 1000sqft which I'd bet if I advocated for homes that size today you'd say I was trying to get Americans to live in pods.

GDP, wage growth versus inflation, unemployment — all better then.

You’re the one who advocates for the pods. Now they are bad?
 
No, I'm not American, and I'm not lying as I genuinely believe what I'm saying is true. The West has generally seen a booming economy after anti-COVID economic measures were taken. I'm Norwegian, and both growth and inflation have been high here.
A booming economy here means a lot of wealthy people got wealthier and ordinary folks can’t afford groceries, let alone housing.
 
It’s being argued that the current economy is the best in American history. I’m laying out 4 year periods because to do a snapshot is asinine.

For my money, 1962-1965 was the greatest economic period in American history. 2021-2024 is not. If you go single year, you can have MANY years better than this year. I’m basing it off of GDP growth, inflation, job wage growth and unemployment.
2024 isn't over yet, so we don't have complete numbers for this year. Moreover, solid numbers for a large number of factors take maybe half a year after the year has ended to come in. Comparing directly against 2024 isn't meaningful. For single year performance, 2021 and 2022 would be the most critical ones in terms of recovering after COVID.

I also noticed you didn't provide source for an average growth of 2% growth with a 6.5% - 7% inflation, nor for what exact period, so that remains unsupported.
 
This is something inflation freaks like Rob don't ever seem to calculate into their thinking.

Yes the dollar was worth more as an individual unit in previous decades, but you made a lot less of them. And not just your average joe, but literally everyone. There hasn't been a period of runaway inflation where compensation has significantly lagged behind it.

People earn dollars and spend them in real time before inflation impacts their value. None of these people are going to live to 200 years and even if they did they wouldn't be dumb enough to just keep their cash under the mattress depreciating the whole time.
Umm — are you dense?

How about simply wage growth versus inflation?
 
A booming economy here means a lot of wealthy people got wealthier and ordinary folks can’t afford groceries, let alone housing.
I assure you, people can actually afford groceries and housing. The majority of Americans are neither homeless nor starving to death.
 
2024 isn't over yet, so we don't have complete numbers for this year. Moreover, solid numbers for a large number of factors take maybe half a year after the year has ended to come in. Comparing directly against 2024 isn't meaningful. For single year performance, 2021 and 2022 would be the most critical ones in terms of recovering after COVID.

I also noticed you didn't provide source for an average growth of 2% growth with a 6.5% - 7% inflation, nor for what exact period, so that remains unsupported.
Over the past 3 years, adjusted for (i.e., on top of) inflation, it's been 5.95%, 1.94%, and 2.5%.
 
Something to watch for from charlatans is double counting inflation. Like, when we talk about wage growth, that's already adjusted for inflation, but then sleazy propagandists will mention inflation separately. Same with GDP growth.
Biden changed the definition of nominal and real growth, alongside what a recession means. And the definition of dementia. And the definition of border security, with assistance from Harris. And...
 
Averaging 2% growth in a period with 6.5-7% inflation with record debt(personal and federal) and an upside down housing market for buyers isn’t the “greatest economy in American history”.
Wage growth has surpassed inflation for over a year now and GDP growth has surpassed previous projections based on the 2019 figures. If today's economy is so horrible then Trump economy with higher unemployment and lower growth rates and stock values must've been even worse.
I’ll bet my life that in 10 years the stock market will be higher than it is today.

When Trump said it was all about the stock market — it was stupid. It’s stupid now.
Of course its not just about the stock market but the stock market is one indicator. If we had an economic downturn you'd see it in the form of lowering stock prices thus record highs suggests a strong market.
How about wage growth versus inflation?



GDP, wage growth versus inflation, unemployment — all better then.
Wage growth has surpassed inflation for over a year now. We have record lows in unemployment compared with 6.6% unemployment in 1960. The US GDP now is obviously far bigger now so comparing the two is very silly of you.
You’re the one who advocates for the pods. Now they are bad?
No unlike you I support allowing more housing types to be built to lower home prices, I'm just pointing out that during one of the golden ages you point to American households averaged one small car and a house with less than 1000sqft. Somehow you think Americans today who own homes that average 2300 sqft and drive around in $80k lifted pick up trucks are worse off.

But just to be clear would you consider the average home size in the 50s, ~983 sqft, to be "pod" sized?
 
Biden changed the definition of nominal and real growth, alongside what a recession means. And the definition of dementia. And the definition of border security, with assistance from Harris. And...
Rob literally did insist on one of those and that we secretly had a recession in 2022. When he eventually gave up on that, he said there was a 100% chance of a recession in 2023. Whoops!
 
I assure you, people can actually afford groceries and housing. The majority of Americans are neither homeless nor starving to death.

No, they are living paycheck to paycheck and spending twice as much when their wages haven't gone up and they rent crappy housing to not die in the street. What a bizarre point that you are trying to make.
 
The only reason you say that is because you haven't seen the price of ostrich eggs with your liberal eyes.
You ever have an ignorant American who tells you how things are going in your country despite not knowing what they are talking about?
 
Wage growth has surpassed inflation for over a year now and GDP growth has surpassed previous projections based on the 2019 figures. If today's economy is so horrible then Trump economy with higher unemployment and lower growth rates and stock values must've been even worse.

Of course its not just about the stock market but the stock market is one indicator. If we had an economic downturn you'd see it in the form of lowering stock prices thus record highs suggests a strong stock market.

Wage growth has surpassed inflation for over a year now. We have record lows in unemployment compared with 6.6% unemployment in 1960. The US GDP now is obviously far bigger now so comparing the two is very silly of you.

No unlike you I support allowing more housing types to be built to lower home prices, I'm just pointing out that during one of the golden ages you point to American households averaged one small car and a house with less than 1000sqft. Somehow you think Americans today who own homes that average 2300 sqft and drive around in $80k lifted pick up trucks are worse off.

But just to be clear would you consider the average home size in the 50s, ~983 sqft, to be "pod" sized?
He's pulling another fast one. It would be good if 1960s-sized homes were more available, but that doesn't mean we'd be richer if the average person could only afford that.
 
No, they are living paycheck to paycheck and spending twice as much when their wages haven't gone up and they rent crappy housing to not die in the street. What a bizarre point that you are trying to make.
There has literally never been a point in time when some Americans weren't living paycheck to paycheck. You'll have to provide stats to prove that said number is proportionally larger now than before. The idea isn't that things are literally perfect now, but broadly better than before. That should not be considered a bizarre point.
 
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