Did GSP get heat like Jon Jones for ducking entire MW division?

markg171 said:
What exactly do you imagine the "chronic" part of being able to fight Bisping or Khabib is but not Whittaker?

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I do know one thing though and that's that he legally signed to fight Whittaker and there's only a few ways he could've gotten out of that.

And one is exactly how he did by saying he was ineligible to fight.
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Now as far as what he actually did, he made the proper choice to shit or get off the pot, which is the whole problem with Jones. GSP got flack, but he was more considerate than to hold up the title to fight an irrelevant fight.
 
I was around and he got tons of shit for NOT going to MW pretty early into his WW run.. And for NOT begging for the Anderson fight.
 
markg171 said:
What exactly do you imagine the "chronic" part of being able to fight Bisping or Khabib is but not Whittaker?

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I do know one thing though and that's that he legally signed to fight Whittaker and there's only a few ways he could've gotten out of that.

And one is exactly how he did by saying he was ineligible to fight.
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I wanted the Whitaker fight bad.. But I think in GSP's mind he wanted to win the MW belt and then fight Khabib.. That is a fight Dana nixed fearing Khabib would lose his unbeaten record..
 
GSP vacated the title at the beginning of 2018 i think....so not even a year....he had nothin against the like of robert whittaker, romero and rockhold, it would had ended badly for him.
 
Yes, but he left quickly so we forgot about it. Jones lasted for much longer with the belt.
 
Versez said:
GSP vacated the title at the beginning of 2018 i think....so not even a year....he had nothin against the like of robert whittaker, romero and rockhold, it would had ended badly for him.
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33 days, even. Won it Nov 4, vacated Dec 7
 
joy2day said:
Now as far as what he actually did, he made the proper choice to shit or get off the pot, which is the whole problem with Jones. GSP got flack, but he was more considerate than to hold up the title to fight an irrelevant fight.
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I mean Jones is saying if he decides to continue fighting he'll
  • give up the belt to fight Pereira
  • will fight Tom otherwise for a bigger pay
Otherwise he doesn't care if the UFC wants to do neither and decides to strip him/he needs to vacate.

So not quite sure what the issue is right now. People are spending all their time bitching when regardless nothing is going to happen until at best he fights again in March. It's not like he's fighting Tom before 2024 ends even in their best case scenarios they actually get the fight, we're months away from it regardless from simple training and promotional needs.

The UFC also probably wants to see what happens with Gane/Volkov 2 next week as that winner's the obvious #2 contender, if not #1 if Volkov goes out and just oblierates Gane. Whatever Jones does is going to impact what they need to do with that winner.
 
KBE6EKCTAH_CCP said:
Oh STFU you are defending a troll account you cream puff.
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I don't think he's trolling. I think he's pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards.

Versus others who've made similar decisions in the past.

Which either points to a bias, or simply a lack of understanding of how these decisions are made to begin with, particularly in regards to fighters at the highest level and in later stages of their career


What makes him a troll? He says things you don't agree with, therefore he's a troll?
 
AstralPanda said:
I don't think he's trolling. I think he's pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards.

Versus others who've made similar decisions in the past.

Which either points to a bias, or simply a lack of understanding of how these decisions are made to begin with, particularly in regards to fighters at the highest level and in later stages of their career


What makes him a troll? He says things you don't agree with, therefore he's a troll?
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You yourself were just pretending he's "just asking questions" as if they were genuine, but now you're saying he's "pointing out hypocrisy." Which doesn't exist btw, because of how much GSP was and still is shit on for being the biggest example of a cherry picked fight for a final accolade against a weak champ and retirement. But I guess it does exist because you don't agree with that fact
 
koa pomaikai said:
Jones didn’t hold anything up. Tom got his Interim belt.
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Sure he did, Tom should be wearing that undisputed belt and lining up contenders. Instead we're going to watch Jon Jones Gollum the belt for as long as he can get away with it.
 
AstralPanda said:
I don't think he's trolling. I think he's pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards.

Versus others who've made similar decisions in the past.

Which either points to a bias, or simply a lack of understanding of how these decisions are made to begin with, particularly in regards to fighters at the highest level and in later stages of their career


What makes him a troll? He says things you don't agree with, therefore he's a troll?
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He s known troll haha
 
Mohawk Banditó said:
You yourself were just pretending he's "just asking questions" as if they were genuine, but now you're saying he's "pointing out hypocrisy." Which doesn't exist btw, because of how much GSP was and still is shit on for being the biggest example of a cherry picked fight for a final accolade against a weak champ and retirement. But I guess it does exist because you don't agree with that fact
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Dude likes to talk a lot about being objective and looking at the nuances, etc.... unless it doesn't fit his narrative.

Bunch of significant differences between the two situations, which have already been pointed out ITT and were ignored by TS. But nah, all those nuances don't matter because Jon is just a poor victim of people's hate and all the critcism can be swept away, because they are just haters. No need to look deeper into it.
 
Iroh said:
Dude likes to talk a lot about being objective and looking at the nuances, etc.... unless it doesn't fit his narrative.

Bunch of significant differences between the two situations, which have already been pointed out ITT and were ignored by TS. But nah, all those nuances don't matter because Jon is just a poor victim of people's hate and all the critcism can be swept away, because they are just haters. No need to look deeper into it.
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What significant differences? Literally a bunch of bs.

Jon didn’t forfeit title like GSP? Who cares about the title, it’s make believe. The actual fights are what matters. Tom vs Blaydes for title or not for title, same fight.

Boo hoo cause there’s a so called ranking and title attached to it, meaningless.

GSP retiring if anything is worse. He killed a division whereas Jon at least stuck around and put on more fights.

And Jon didn’t lie about sticking around whereas GSP did. Clearly lied.
 
koa pomaikai said:
What significant differences? Literally a bunch of bs.

Jon didn’t forfeit title like GSP? Who cares about the title, it’s make believe. The actual fights are what matters. Tom vs Blaydes for title or not for title, same fight.

Boo hoo cause there’s a so called ranking and title attached to it, meaningless.

GSP retiring if anything is worse. He killed a division whereas Jon at least stuck around and put on more fights.

And Jon didn’t lie about sticking around whereas GSP did. Clearly lied.
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Maybe you don't care, but others do and you are asking others if others gave the same kind of shit to GSP. So then it matters what others think is objectionable and not what you think is objectionable.
 
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Iroh said:
Maybe you don't care, but others do and you are asking others if others gave the same kind of shit to GSP. So then it matters what others think is objectable and not what you think is objectable.
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The title is literally a marketing ploy, you trying to say everyone is that easily manipulated by the UFC marketing team?
 
koa pomaikai said:
The title is literally a marketing ploy, you trying to say everyone is that easily manipulated by the UFC marketing team?
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It's not only a marketing ploy. It's also a mechanism meant to determine the best approximation of who the best fighter is it's division.
 
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