Did GSP get heat like Jon Jones for ducking entire MW division?

[joy2day]

I mean who ever thought Bisping would be champ tho? He was always called a gatekeeper and only got the title shot because Weidman got injured. Not taking anything away from the win, it was a great win but GSP only took the chance because it was Bisping. Had the champ been Silva, Rockhold, Weidman, Souza, Romero etc... GSP would have stayed retired.

So how is it Similar to Jones? Well I'm not referring to the Stipe fight when I say it's Similar, I mean the Gane fight. However with Ngannou Gone, Gane was the #1 guy in the division but Bisping was never the best in his division, in fact there were always several better than him. Bisping was ranked #4 when he fought Rockhold the second time and had he fought anybody else ranked above him he would have lost, would have lost to some ranked below him too. Rockhold's overconfidence mixed with weak chin and bad defense led to Bisping being able to catch him but he's not the better fighter and was never anywhere close to being the best in his division.

Another way it's similar to Gane is the stylostic matchup, Bisping had been taken down and controlled by several fighters before and on the feet, while being good he doesn't have crazy power and in that Jones made a similar choice. Gane is a great striker but lacks power and got outwrestled by Ngannou. Jones would not have taken the fight had it been against Aspinall, Bkayeds or Ngannou, just like GSP wouldn't fight Romero, Rockhold, Souza, Weidman etc..

That's absolutely NOT true. It is quite typical to minimize GSP's win by denigrating Bisping, but that is mostly nonsense.

Bisping had a WAY better ground game than Gane, not even comparable. GSP had done some training way back with Bisping, and totally dominated him, taking him down at will. You can see how much Bisping's ground game and TD defense had improved by the time they fought. Gane would not have survived on the ground against ANY HW that had a good ground game, unlike Bisping; GSP had to knock him silly standing to get a finish, Bisping did well on the ground other than that against GSP. And no, Gane was not the best fighter at HW (he was lucky Tom got injured), and even if he were that is false because HW is super weak, where MW was super strong; so that is entirely different because it comes with a much weaker pool to be at the top of for Gane.

Bisping defeated Rockhold fair and square, where Gane had LOST the title match previous to his fight with Jones; making excuses for him and basing your premise on Bisping losing to Rockhold is silly (obviously, because he DIDN'T lose to him).

Floating generalities is one thing, but getting into the specifics makes the two situations notably different.

 

[Halifax]

GSP on the outside appears to be a nice guy and gentleman.

Jon Jones is a steroid cheat and sociopath.

So GSP often gets a pass jones would never get.

Another example is when jones left lhw after his razor thin decision win over reyes. Actually most people have forgotten about that, but still brought up by the GSP haters,. But really GSP got it easy there too.

GSP had declared before the fight even happened that he would make an important announcement after the fight.

It wasn't surprising he made that announcement,nor was it because the fight was close

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

I'll always respect someone that asks questions

I always respect genuine questions. Hard to respect the disingenuous though.

"Hey guys, was this a thing?"
"Yes"
"Yes"
"Yes"
"Yes"
"Yes"
"Yes"
"Yes"
"Eh, I don't think so."

 

[markg171]

He got criticism but not anywhere near as much because he didnt stick around holding up the division for years by sitting at home with the belt and making BS defences while shamelessly ducking obvious contenders because they "dont add anything to his legacy" and "havent done anything".

No, GSP instead signed a contract explicitly saying he'd defend against Whittaker next unlike Jones who's never even been presented with a contract for Aspinall.

Then instead a month later claimed a medical issue that he'd supposedly had BEFORE Bisping was going to prevent him from fighting again.

So he either lied when he signed the contract about continuing, lied when he continued with the Bisping fight knowing he was sick, or lied afterwards about being sick at all.

Jon's just fought the same contract he already signed. Even did it in the same venue it was signed for.

I believe this is correct. Like Aspinall, Whittaker was IC at the time. So GSP only would have "deserved" as much heat as Jones if he'd defended against anyone other than Whittaker after winning the belt off Bisping, which of course didn't happen because GSP retired - leading to Whittaker's IC belt being promoted to undisputed champ.

It would have been like Jones retiring 1 month after beating Gane.

What interim champ existed when Jones beat Gane like existed when GSP beat Bisping?

GSP held onto the title for a month, then vacated. Jon held the division up for over a year just to fight old man stipe.
Night and day.

Jon was injured so regardless the division was going to be held up for a year while he was out.

didn't he retire and give up the belt instead of holding the division up?

You mean like Jones is willing to do to fight Pereira?

 

[don't ask]

Did GSP get as much heat as Jones for hand-picking Bisping, promising to not retire, and then ducking entire MW division?

Or is it just bias against Jones for refusing Aspinall?

Did Sherdog treat GSP with same energy?

Yeah, he got heat for fighting Bisping, but the difference was Bisping was the champ and Gane wasn't: Gane was handpicked because of his vulnerability to Jones' wrestling. A more comparable situation would be if Jones waited for Gane to be champion, which isn't what happened. Dana certainly didn't set up a championship bout between GSP and the top contender who was most vulnerable to him

And GSP certainly didn't arrange to defend against Rich Franklin to cement his legacy as the greatest MW of all time.

 

[don't ask]

I always respect genuine questions. Hard to respect the disingenuous though.

"Hey guys, was this a thing?"
"Yes"
"Yes"
"Yes"
"Yes"
"Yes"
"Yes"
"Yes"
"Eh, I don't think so."

lol clearly you don't know how to do your own research

 

[TerrorTimmy]

He literally had a medical issue and retired. Which interim champ did GSP duck?

What's Jones' medical issue? Is he retiring? Or just refusing to face the interim champ?

Jones fans on life support after he beat up an old man. Fucking pathetic.

 

[markg171]

I swear Sherdog thinks Jones is supposed to fight Tom this weekend or he's ducking.

Never seen so much bitching over something that even IF you all got your wishes isn't happening until like March at the earliest. And probably more likely July so Jones can headline International Fight Week.

Chill out for a sec. Enjoy the holidays and have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year first. No fight announcement is remotely coming any time soon given Jones just fought.

Also Gane/Volkov 2 is upcoming and likely factors into everything. Jon's threatened to vacate to be able to fight Pereira and/or if he does simply retire the Gane/Volkov 2 winner is obviously who Tom's fighting instead if Jon's not unifying. I'm sure Jon and the UFC are watching that fight closely before deciding anything. Obviously if Gane wins they're going to be much more likely to throw substantial money at Jon to simply fight Tom to avoid Tom/Gane happening and Jon trying to just come back if Gane wins that.

 

[Morning Star]

No cause he has a legion of fluffers unlike Jones.

 

[markg171]

He literally had a medical issue and retired. Which interim champ did GSP duck?

GSP's medical issue magically didn't prevent him from fighting Bisping though.

Only Whittaker. Who was interim champ. After he'd signed a contract stating he would defend against him.

His medical issue also magically then disappeared when he tried to come back again later against Khabib.

What's Jones' medical issue? Is he retiring? Or just refusing to face the interim champ?

His torn pec that literally led to there being an interim champ at all when he had to pull out of a defence...?

 

[Squarechoke]

GSP had issues with colitis and actually relinquished the title so the interim champ could get legitimized instead of just standing on the sides waiting for a shot to unify. It doesn't matter what conspiracy speculations anyone does around it, he didn't hold up the division and the interim champ so it's not the same thing as Jones is being criticized for. Hence the comparison is pretty pointless, even though he of course still faced a lot of complaints back then.

 

[IndyCovaHart]

GSP immediately gave up the title and didn't hold it hostage. Jones is clinging to the title and cherry picking fights. He wouldn't be getting as much hate if he had relinquished the title.

um yeah you’re leaving out the part where he had said he would stick around and defend then blamed diarrhea for ditching his promise

 

[markg171]

GSP had issues with colitis and actually relinquished the title so the interim champ could get legitimized instead of just standing on the sides waiting for a shot to unify. It doesn't matter what conspiracy speculations anyone does around it, he didn't hold up the division and the interim champ so it's not the same thing as Jones is being criticized for. Hence the comparison is pretty pointless, even though he of course still faced a lot of complaints back then.

You go realize the entire reason there's even a HW interim champ and Jon was "holding up the division and interim champ" was that he was actually injured.

Right?

 

[Squarechoke]

You go realize the entire reason there's even a HW interim champ and Jon was "holding up the division and interim champ" was that he was actually injured.

Right?

Yes, my point about Jones isn't that he held up the division when he was injured, it's what he did when he came back. He left the interim champ in limbo to fight a much less relevant fight, and now he's still holding the title while giving mixed messages of whether he'll actually fight again (plus alluding to wanting to fight someone other than the interim champ yet again). The latter wouldn't mean as much if he had done the duty of a champ and unified the titles, but in this context it's a bad look since he's already stalled too long.

 

[eiyuu]

GSP got some blowback for at one time saying he'd like to fight Anderson Silva, but then backing down when the UFC actually tried putting the fight together.

It's mostly forgotten though since he had a lot of contenders at WW and Silva had a lot of haters.

 

[bjjwar]

Did GSP get as much heat as Jones for hand-picking Bisping, promising to not retire, and then ducking entire MW division?

Or is it just bias against Jones for refusing Aspinall?

Did Sherdog treat GSP with same energy?

There's a big difference. GSP wasnt the MW champ.GSP would have caught so much sh** if he beat Bisping, won the belt and then asked for a fight with a retired Rich Franklin for legacy instead of beating the top contenders. Actually the UFC would have never allowed anyone else then Jones or Conor to do this. This was so embarrassing for a champ to fight an old retired dude.

The issue here is Jones is the champ. As the champ, specially if theres an interim champ who also is the only top contender in the division, you have to fight him and no one else. Still cant believe they made an injured retired, KO'ed dude that didnt fight for almost 4 yrs and could barely walk straight fight for the UFC HW BELT lol.

 

[icemun]

GSP held onto the title for a month, then vacated. Jon held the division up for over a year just to fight old man stipe.
Night and day.

This new narrative is surreal
The jones hate just re-writes RECENT history


Stipe was ranked #2 after #1 Gane when jones beat him.


Who was jones supposed to call out after beating Gane ; #5 or #8 unknown unranked HWs???


Come on back to Earth

 

[joy2day]

GSP's medical issue magically didn't prevent him from fighting Bisping though.

Only Whittaker. Who was interim champ. After he'd signed a contract stating he would defend against him.

His medical issue also magically then disappeared when he tried to come back again later against Khabib.

With due respect, I don't think you understand chronic illnesses well.

 

[markg171]

With due respect, I don't think you understand chronic illnesses well.

What exactly do you imagine the "chronic" part of being able to fight Bisping or Khabib is but not Whittaker?

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I do know one thing though and that's that he legally signed to fight Whittaker and there's only a few ways he could've gotten out of that.

And one is exactly how he did by saying he was ineligible to fight.

 

[humdizzle]

no because he didn't hold a belt hostage trying to pull more money out of dana